Why loan Powell out now and not next month then?
Alas poor Carrick...WTF has happened?
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I suppose, but we heard similar lingo in the Summer and ended up with Marouane Fellaini - who I rate, although many of the fanbase clearly do not. I'd rather not read this rubbish and just see it happen instead.
I don't think he was ready for our first team, it's fair to say that his recent performances for Wigan has shown that he may not be to far away. However would he start ahead of Cleverly, Fellaini or Jones? We also have Anderson and Giggs who can play there if needed.
I think we can cope without Carrick for a few weeks, it just means other players will have to step up and take a bit more responsibility.
So do we give Jones an extended run in CM while Carrick is out? I think thats the sensible solution right now at least until he's given the chance and its not working out against certain opposition. Sit Jones in CM as he's likely to be the most defensively responsible player we could put there and fill in for Carrick's covering role. And then pick between Cleverley (most tackles of our cms this season, doesn't really lose the ball) Giggs (Giggs) and Felllaini (struggling but needs to be given chances throughout the season so that something eventually clicks... hopefully) as his partner
Bad news but this is probably the best chance Fellaini will have to impress. He and Carrick together didn't look like was ever going to work but him being partnered with Jones/Cleverley might get the best out of him. Hopefully anyway
only positive is that the best part of 2 weeks of the lay off is in the international window.
Obviously gives others a chance too.
Jones has already started most games this season, but he's an absolute shoe in going forward now.
But if Fellaini doesn't start regularly in this absence it'll say It all!
Obviously gives others a chance too.
Jones has already started most games this season, but he's an absolute shoe in going forward now.
But if Fellaini doesn't start regularly in this absence it'll say It all!
You're so sensitive.
Quoted from your posts.
Yeah, so I thought he was playing poorly, because I had an "agenda" against him, apparently.
It turns out he's been playing poorly because he's been playing through an injury and now been sent away to get it sorted.
I just thought it necessary to point out the latest bout of feckwittery on here and it's inevitable exposure by the harsh concepts of reality.
Although to be fair it's not up there with the "Rooney's making us play poorly by playing well" brigade.
The positive is that the way he's been playing over the past month, it's been a bit like not having Carrick anyway. He'll miss some games and come back hopefully back to 100% and well in time for the important games in the run in.
We're better set up to cope than we would have been at this time last year.
Carrick is a slow starter to the season in general, as Fergie pointed out in his biography.
2006/07, he fitted in well but pushed on in the second half of the season.
2007/08, he was left on the bench in favour of the now fabled Hargreaves/Anderson partnership.
2008/09, he was injured and missed a lot of games at the start.
2009/10, he played alongside Anderson in Europe whereas Scholes/Fletcher was preferred in the league.
2010/11, he was injured again (Achilles
) and missed some games.
2011/12, he was benched in favour of Cleverley/Anderson until Cleverley's injury.
2012/13, he was ever-present although didn't play consistently well until the second half of the season.
Also looking back, most of his injuries have been ankle or achilles problems and seem to be recurring.
2006/07, he fitted in well but pushed on in the second half of the season.
2007/08, he was left on the bench in favour of the now fabled Hargreaves/Anderson partnership.
2008/09, he was injured and missed a lot of games at the start.
2009/10, he played alongside Anderson in Europe whereas Scholes/Fletcher was preferred in the league.
2010/11, he was injured again (Achilles
) and missed some games.2011/12, he was benched in favour of Cleverley/Anderson until Cleverley's injury.
2012/13, he was ever-present although didn't play consistently well until the second half of the season.
Also looking back, most of his injuries have been ankle or achilles problems and seem to be recurring.
I thought he was really poor against Arsenal. In fact I suspect it's why he's been sent away to get his injury sorted. He was comfortably out performed by Jones in the first half and turned into a complete passenger in the second when Cleverley came on.
I don't disagree at all about his importance to the team. He would be one of the first names down for me as well, but in recent weeks he just hasn't been doing his job, so if the injury is the reason why it's far more important to get it sorted now than keep playing some kind of 70% version of him which is hampering our performances almost as much as not playing him would anyway.
I think we'll need him a lot more in the second half of the season too. We can maybe just about cope for a month or so now if other players step up (Jones, Fellaini). If it got to February or MArch and this happened, we'd be a bit fecked.
Firstly, you never even stated a reason for his poor form at all. I apologised for the agenda comment, which - in truth - was my lazy reasoning for your opinion on him.
Secondly, it's not a harsh concept of reality at all. A harsh concept of reality is when members like you don't view things from a decent perspective. You came out with ridiculous comments. This comment, for example, was juvenile and cringe-worthy:
Then you have your comments about his performances vs. Sunderland and Stoke. In the Sunderland game, he was one of our best players (arguably his best game this season). In fact, he looked really good next to Cleverley, they worked really well. In the second half, especially, he was very good at building play, and he started the move for the equaliser. But nope, you decide to blame him for us not looking more comfortable - of course, one player does that, right? And then your comments about his performance vs. Stoke are that of a fan expecting Carrick to be something he's not going to do. Stoke set up with a low, compact block. If you're expecting Carrick, a player that isn't known for being the creative genius in our team, to break a team that sets up "parking the bus", then that says it all. Defensively, he didn't have much to do. He was our only midfielder spreading the ball to good positions.
Cleverley-Jones looked promising, I hope they can do the job while he is out.
If Ando impresses in training I'd be tempted to give him a shot. Against teams that sit back (and most do), Jones' ability on the ball could be a hinderence.
On the other hand I do want us to press the feck out of teams now and Jones and cleverley could be great at all.
Anderson...pressing..
Anderson...pressing..
I reckon Ando-Clev-Jones-Fellaini by comittee can get the job done until Carrick returns.
One good game by Jones and people are suddenly "we can get by!"
I think it's more a case of people trying to find positives and solutions to Carrick's absence. It's hardly a case of suddenly thinking our midfield is fine.
He could always try to run through them.
He won't have to go through them, they'll just part ways for him and applaud as he walks by.
It wasn't a criticism or anything. But the one game has indeed changed things. Two weeks back, a Carrick injury would've added 10 pages to this thread, 20 to Moyes thread and doom would've ensued.
Yeah maybe. I do think we'll struggle without Carrick but I think we should still be alright. We've coped with a weak midfield for years now and I'm sure we can persevere for 5-6 weeks if needs be.
Obviously it helps that he himself hasn't been playing at his best. So his replacement may be a poorer footballer than him but should be able to give enough output to keep winning. Like you said, we've coped with a poor midfield.
My only issue is, of course, the momentum of winning against Arsenal shouldn't be lost because Fellaini or Cleverley aren't playing well. Aaah well, nowt that can be done. Hopefully they do well.
Of course that quality-wise we're losing much as Carrick is out, but it's not like we'll collapse even if Fellaini or Cleverley won't set the world ablaze. I think that it's the right time for our wingers and, generally speaking, attacking four to step it up and quite simply create more and start being more lethal.
What are the chances of Carrick making a miraculous recovery?
I wouldn't say they'd be too high.
Id imagine there's a chance he will be out for four weeks instead of six though, given the two week international break that doesn't look as bad.
He has a good record with injuries as well as being naturally fit, that should help him in his recovery time. The club has said he's out of action until December so it may not be as long as we all initially feared.
My new Carrick video... Enjoy!
It's a seven-minute compilation of some of his best work this season. Maybe a bit too long.
Good job!
He has been below par this season though.
I agree, it was always going to be hard to match last seasons form, he's been a bit off the pace so far this season but he's still our top midfielder.
Hopefully it was the injury that was affecting his form and we see the real Carrick back after Christmas.
I don't think he's been as bad as some make out, definitely had some games where he's clearly not been at his best but in general I think he's done his job fine but in general we've not had the luck where last season when teams had a go at us we weathered it a bit better, this season the combination of a lack of two good cms, issues in defence and attack have been exploited a bit more.
Either way it's a blow imo, it's one thing for everyone to put in a shift at home against the league leaders another to do it every week which we might need in his absence with tough games like spurs coming up. Hopefully the recovery will be quicker, it's odd, I've thought his achilles has been mentioned as a problem since last season, suprised it wasn't operated on in the summer.
Gonna need fellaini to start justifying the cash we spent on him, though hard to say how much his wrist injury is impacting him as well.
Either way it's a blow imo, it's one thing for everyone to put in a shift at home against the league leaders another to do it every week which we might need in his absence with tough games like spurs coming up. Hopefully the recovery will be quicker, it's odd, I've thought his achilles has been mentioned as a problem since last season, suprised it wasn't operated on in the summer.
Gonna need fellaini to start justifying the cash we spent on him, though hard to say how much his wrist injury is impacting him as well.
Carrick is in Dubai (if anybody cares)
His one-touch and left-foot passing comes so naturally to him. Can't think of any other English player like him.
We take this guy for granted. We say he's been a little off-colour so far this season, yet look at his range of passing and his interceptions. Class player.
Will be an important bit of business. Can't see him anywhere else to be honest.
Great news!
I do like the change in policy. The 1 year rolling contracts worked with the likes of Neville, Giggs and Scholes. It would probably have even worked with an English lad like Carrick. It has. However, the thought of giving a player like Van Persie a year to run out isn't a good one. At 32, he should, fingers crossed, still be in excellent shape. Vidic's contract situation worries me, also.
I do like the change in policy. The 1 year rolling contracts worked with the likes of Neville, Giggs and Scholes. It would probably have even worked with an English lad like Carrick. It has. However, the thought of giving a player like Van Persie a year to run out isn't a good one. At 32, he should, fingers crossed, still be in excellent shape. Vidic's contract situation worries me, also.
Great news.
Reckon he's past his best now though, due to overuse last year, but he can still do a very good job for us.
Reckon he's past his best now though, due to overuse last year, but he can still do a very good job for us.
Excellent news
Has he grown into the best CM in the premier league, can't think of anyone as consistently good and that video compilation highlights his range of not just passing but tackling ability too.
Yes there are more dynamic and mobile midfielders but he's pivotal to everything united do. Slow and steady wins the race they say.
Has he grown into the best CM in the premier league, can't think of anyone as consistently good and that video compilation highlights his range of not just passing but tackling ability too.
Yes there are more dynamic and mobile midfielders but he's pivotal to everything united do. Slow and steady wins the race they say.