Yeah, that's why he's constantly subbed off and has barely played a game since the Madrid match.
Alas poor Carrick...WTF has happened?
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It's ok Cina, I know you don't much like him. I was only messing with you.
I'd like to see Cleverley get plenty of games whoever we get (I mean, pretending for the moment that we're going to do the unimaginable and sign a CM), and I think he will.
The point is that we need someone who's good enough to deputise for Carrick, as well as play alongside him. We can't rely on him being fit all the time, and on the occasions we need him in defence we can't be playing the likes of Rafael and Park in CM, which gave Man fecking City the league last season.
The point is that we need someone who's good enough to deputise for Carrick, as well as play alongside him. We can't rely on him being fit all the time, and on the occasions we need him in defence we can't be playing the likes of Rafael and Park in CM, which gave Man fecking City the league last season.
Don't like Cleverley? lolwhut?
Fixed that for you, you're welcome.
If we can't get Wilshere, I'd settle for Thiago. If we can't get Thiago, Veratti would be ok. If Verratti's not for sale, then Gundogan might do. What I don't want us to do is go much below that level. The Carrick back-up can be someone merely 'decent', or a promising youngster. But if we're getting someone to partner him - to bench Cleverley - then he needs to be able to firmly bench him. We don't need more players of the same level to further muddy the waters. We need a definite first-choice player to form a settled partnership with Carrick.
It's all academic, of course. We're obviously going to get Wilshere. Those seductive photos of RVP fondling the trophy will prove too much for him.
I agree with that!
Although I doubt Cleverley has fitness issues, there is no denying the fact that he fades badly in almost all matches after 60 minutes or so. He needs to last for 90 minutes to play regularly next to Carrick. The other option would be to have Cleverley/Ando next to Carrick and let them play 45 minutes each
At the moment Cleverley sprints too much during games. It's great that he injects a bit of dynamism into the midfield but he loses puff in the second half.
The Spanish lads seem to be able to sprint all game, and Bilbao against us last year, but ours can't.
The Spanish lads seem to be able to sprint all game, and Bilbao against us last year, but ours can't.
Maybe it's more about knowing when to sprint and not chase lost causes?
But they actually don't, it just seems like they do because; a) They pick the right moments when to press(sprint) aggressively, and b) they do it as a team so it seems overwhelming.
Welbeck and Cleverley both have the ability, enthusiasm, determination and desire to press this way. Its just Danny is currently better at picking the correct moments when to do it, whereas Cleverley still needs to improve his use of his energy by choosing his moments better.
Michael Carrick
The silent assassin.
The silent assassin.
True and he also ends up in positions we don't really need him to be. The amount of times he'll run in to the channels for an overlap has got to take its tole and personally I don't think we need it that much cause we typically have two guys out there already. He lets himself get too far from carrick.
I don't think it's fitness but as others have said its about timing. When you see clev sometimes he's starting to race up the pitch before we've really got control of the ball. Would be nice to see him against arsenal though, pretty sure he'll start unless we keep with Rooney in the middle again.
Thought this graphic was quite interesting.
He's finally getting the recognition he deserves this season but I think that's been more down to an inertia in the consensus amongst fans, rather than any dramatic improvement in his performances.
I remember with Evra he had been playing really well for months before people grudgingly accepted he was actually quite good. Once you decide a player isn't good enough, there's a tendency to focus on his weaknesses and ignore the good stuff he's doing. I think it's similar with Carrick. He had a bit of a dip in 10/11 but bounced back last season and has been on top of his game for at least 18 months now.
Good stuff, Pogue. The graphs are easy to the eyes of this stats peasant. He's like a footballing robot that can repeat his performances season after season. Carrick it is.
I made a graph in newbie that shows his passing percentage this season. It is constantly close to 90% on EVERY game, regardless we dominate the game or not.
I made a graph in newbie that shows his passing percentage this season. It is constantly close to 90% on EVERY game, regardless we dominate the game or not.
There was some sort of further improvement around November this season, though. Possibly not anything which would be reflected by the stats. Just a growing air of conviction about his play, no doubt the result of the aforementioned 18 months of excellent form.
Almost as if he, like most of the population of England, took a while to realise that he's gotten really good.
Almost as if he, like most of the population of England, took a while to realise that he's gotten really good.
Ferguson has said this was his best season at the club, I don't think stats tell the whole story here.
Agree with this, there's a visible increase in his confidence in possession. He's started doing that ridiculously cool Iniesta-type thing of dragging it clockwise round the midfielder with the outside of his foot a lot more for one.
There's obviously more to it than that but he just looks and plays like he believes he's the main man now.
I actually think prior to that November up turn you were talking about he was in some of the worst form he's been in for years, he was back to being timid and not taking control of games.
Which is why I thought it so bizarre that he was being praised for consistent good form by as early as January, very short term memories.
The only reason he wasnt great at the beginning of the season was largely to do with his partners being shit. He wasn't bad by any means, he was just playing as he usually did without really taking control.
He's never had to take control before, it was always good enough for him to protect the back four and defer to his partner (Scholes or Giggs). This season something seems to have clicked and he realized he could take control of games and be the authoritative figure.
Is there any defensive statistics? Can we contact opta and ask them to do one? On a lot of the stat websites he's down a lot on interceptions, ints per game, tackles and one on one duels per game.
I feel having watched him that he is as well.
Can't deny the superb season he's had. Would top it off if he won the player of the year he would thoroughly deserve if he did.
I feel having watched him that he is as well.
Can't deny the superb season he's had. Would top it off if he won the player of the year he would thoroughly deserve if he did.
Michael Carrick vid from newbie MoneyMay
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Why are you asking for stats if you've apparently already read them?
Not true. He really wasnt good at all. He rarely is at the start of a season, which is kind of strange as SAF knows it as well and we seem to be unable to get that away from him.
In fairness at the start he was in and out at CB and played a chunk with Paul Scholes. There was a notable difference when he lined up more frequently with Cleverley in CM.
Is this the same poster who felt the need to instruct us on the relative qualities of Kagawa?
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Find myself agreeing with Wenger, he really deserves it. I don't think he has much chance of winning though.
The thing about Carrick getting nominated that slightly annoyed me is that whilst people haven't suggested that he shouldn't be in contention I've heard a few people/journalists mention him in passing and then saying he's not scored many goals. It's not all about goals and that's one of the problems we've had with England, it's always the players that catch attention that people big up, which I do think has an impact, the goal scorers or the likes of Parker/Milner with their work rate. Carrick has gone on so long without much external praise, it's nice he's getting some recognition.
He'd be my choice, it won't happen though. It'll most likely be Bale with RvP having a good chance as well.
It really is hard to get round the fact that the people who actually know about football almost all think Carrick should get it.
Very little chance Carrick will get it. Bale has been the headline act this season and probably deserves the award this time unlike a couple of years ago when he won it.
As good as Carricks been i think Bale has been the star man in the premiership this season
Funny the way Wenger is so inflexible about ages. It's his achilles heel as a manager. Should never have let Gilberto Silva go when he did. Imagine if Fergie decided Giggs and Schole went into a decline at 31?
That Wenger interview has been posted on the Mirror, and they've gone to the length of photoshopping Carrick into a Barcelona shirt.
http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/player-year-michael-carrick-manchester-1855863
Not really sure why.
http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/player-year-michael-carrick-manchester-1855863
Not really sure why.
A very nice article on the french Eurosport site on Carrick on basically how he went from being a low key player to one of the team's most important one.Here is the link for the original version for the french understanding members
http://www.eurosport.fr/football/pr...ne-passe-plus-inapercu_sto3732307/story.shtml
And below the (crap) google translate version:
Wenger can be a cnut at times (like any manager tbh) but he's overall a very classy man
http://www.eurosport.fr/football/pr...ne-passe-plus-inapercu_sto3732307/story.shtml
And below the (crap) google translate version:
Wenger can be a cnut at times (like any manager tbh) but he's overall a very classy man
His defensive work has always been top-notch, that is why he is Fergie's most trusted midfielder. The great thing about him this season is that he has been ridiculously incisive with his passing. Its as if he's back to his 06/07 form again. You can see the moment the play breaks up, immediately a cutting pass will be played out of defence to start a counter-attack.
And it is intelligent passes like these that make teams like Bayern and Real Madrid world-class counter-attacking teams - that split second transition from defence to attack. If we add another winger with better all-round movement next season, I can see Carrick thriving even more in the team.
And it is intelligent passes like these that make teams like Bayern and Real Madrid world-class counter-attacking teams - that split second transition from defence to attack. If we add another winger with better all-round movement next season, I can see Carrick thriving even more in the team.
Since the days of United and Arsenal fighting for the title have passed he's really mellowed and shown a lot of class. Carlo Ancelotti was another one who had alot of class aswell (probably why the chavs sacked him).
I can understand fans not appreciating Carrick due to his understated and laid back approach to the game. However, I'm amazed why many so called experts failed to recognise Carrick's qualities until this season.
I think Carrick, somewhat unfairly, hasn't been appreciated enough because our central midfield as a whole has been somewhat weak the latest years.
I think if we had a clear first choice top class partner for him, then he might have had more recognition as well.
I think if we had a clear first choice top class partner for him, then he might have had more recognition as well.
I'd say it's a multitude of reasons:
1. English fans and pundits alike appreciate and want to see a midfield battler, like Scott Parker or Gareth Barry. Someone who gets about and puts last ditch crunching tackles in. Carrick is better than both of these players but in recent seasons, they seem to have been chosen ahead of him in the England squad and also been swooned over in the media, despite being much more limited players.
2. Carrick essentially replaced Roy Keane who was an aforementioned battler and as thus, he was always going to be seen as substandard in comparison, because his style is different.
3. He plays for Manchester United. People expect perfection from us and they didn't think Carrick showed it, as well as there have been plenty of other players to take the limelight away from Carrick's performances, such as Ronaldo, Rooney, Tevez, Scholes, Giggs, RVP and even Fletcher at one stage. This also might sound a little bitter but pundits, in my opinion, generally are biased against us and slower to give credit where it is due to our players.
It's safe to say he's no longer underrated. The daily 'Michael Carrick is underrated' article is becoming cringey.