Milner has been picked like Jones as a utility man. The real people keeping Carrick out are Lampard and Gerard.
Alas poor Carrick...WTF has happened?
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His exclusion have turned me from a supporter to a hater, I'm off to support Germany instead during the Euros. I hope Roy fails miserably.
Have a hunch that Milner will start v France at the expense of Walcott to do a disciplined job working back on Ribery. Bit of a negative move it would be but thats the type of role he's done in the past for England.
Think Young will be a guaranteed starter and Ox will be an impact sub off the bench. Downing should only get games in emergency so the other wing will be Milner or Walcott depending on the opponents.
Don't think theres that much difference between Barry and Carricks roles to be honest. Both keep play ticking over nicely distributing quickly. Carrick is a better range of passer but Barry probably puts his foot in slightly more. I think Carricks a marginally better player but not as much as this site would have you think. I dont think Barry will start, probably be Parker/Lampard, so with Barry and Gerrard (and Jones and Milner) as further options i can see why Carrick missed out.
But that's what irritates me. Why have a utility man?? Why not have someone who can play in a position brilliantly, as opposed to people who are average at everything?! The approach makes sense for a club who have to play a season of games, but this is just a maximum of 6 games we're talking about here!
You put Carrick in for Milner, you still have 5 players who can play CM and 4 players who can play on the wing (5 if you include Welbeck). That's more then enough by any squad standard.
I'd be disappointed if that's the way he went... though it's not out of the realms of plausibility.
This season, Carrick has a better tackles per game average and interception per game average then Barry (3.1 & 2.5 to 2.3 & 2.1) He also makes a substantially higher number of passes per game then Barry does, and he has a higher pass completion rate. I know stats arn't everything and what not, but alas, Barry's distribution is nowhere near as good as Carrick's.
That's not an overreaction at all.
The thread title seems very appropriate now.
Exactly.
Frankly the stats shouldn't be necessary. Just watch the matches.
And it isn't as if there hasn't been plenty written about what Carrick brings to England that the others don't. It has been discussed for years. Here are articles and blogs just from the past few months.
http://soccerlens.com/michael-carrick-englands-overlooked-answer/67322/
http://www.zonalmarking.net/2010/03/03/michael-carrick-demonstrates-why-he-could-be-crucial-to-englands-world-cup-hopes/
http://fourfourtwo.com/blogs/statszone/archive/2012/05/16/why-michael-carrick-should-start-for-england-this-summer.aspx
http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2012/mar/02/michael-carrick-manchester-united
Prophetic, isn't it?
same here. Looking forward to see Muller destroying defences again.
Lamps shouldn't be there plain and simple. In a deeper role, Barry and carrick offer more and he's not going to get the attacking midfield role unless something goes terribly wrong. No need to have milner and downing. That's two wastes spaces which could have gone to arguably the best English midfielder this season in carrick and the other to one of our bright young players, Sturridge.
How the hell isn't in the squad?? 'what should he done more to be included?
It might be nothing for us but for him this might be quite a blow to be omitted from the squad.. Absolute walk-in to the top11 and still left outside the top20.. Madness..
It might be nothing for us but for him this might be quite a blow to be omitted from the squad.. Absolute walk-in to the top11 and still left outside the top20.. Madness..
Barry and Parker?
United > England
Will benefit from a summer of rest, I'm sure he's disappointed, but long-term good for us
Will benefit from a summer of rest, I'm sure he's disappointed, but long-term good for us
It's not just that he hasn't been selected (which is ridiculous in itself admitidly)... it's that Jordan Henderson has been placed on the reserve list ahead of him.
Jordan fecking Henderson.
I can only see this as being a personal attack on Michael Carrick, as there is no logical footballing reason for this to be the case otherwise, and so in-turn I find it to be offensive.
Jordan fecking Henderson.
I can only see this as being a personal attack on Michael Carrick, as there is no logical footballing reason for this to be the case otherwise, and so in-turn I find it to be offensive.
Very bizarre especially as also on the list are Adam Johnson and Daniel Sturridge, both wingers, with no proper central midfielders even on the reserve list.
Barry and Parker actually probably deserve to be there. Lampard's there on reputation alone, while Gerrard seems to be crocked a lot of the time. Parker isn't the world class midfielder the media make him out to be but he's decent at what he does, while Barry's a fairly good midfielder as well. Carrick should really be in there though, whatever way you look at it.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2012/may/16/roy-hodgson-john-terry-england
Interesting, as it's not really what you expect from him.
Fair play to him, right decision too if you ask me. Forget about England, waste of time.
The fact is, though, Carrick left the door open. Hodgson still decided he had better midfielders available.
The thing is he is better than the 4 selected, on this seasons form anyway.
Fair play, another player wasted for England. Lol though at that last part about him having to be better then the four he picked. If he thinks Milner/lampard offer more in central midfield then carrick then he's mistaken.
I'd love to know if he actually thought that, or merely felt it was the right thing to say at this point which it may well be.
Pretty much. From what Roy has said if he was included he would have been a backup to the other midfielders. Can't blame Carrick for not being comfortable with that when he's been messed around with for a while when it comes to England, and he has had a good enough season to be considered more than just fifth choice or however far back he was.
Frankly after this season, Carrick should have been the first name down when it came to the England team. Especially amidst reports of Scott Parker having an injury.
I don't think he needed to say that last part at all, could have just said what the situation was or something like that. But the main thing about that for me is that hogdson must have viewed him as a squad player at best as well seeing as how otherwise you'd think carrick would have made himself available. And that really is sad to hear. Part of me was hoping carrick had picked up a knock or something but if he's actually been left out for footballing reasons in the same way it sounds like rio has then that's just sad.
Well he can't just waltz into the side, can he? As much as he has done for United, he has it all to prove in an England shirt. Slightly disappointed if true.
Yes. But the point is he shouldn't be a fringe player anyway.
And what has Parker done in and England shirt to prove he deserves a call up? The same goes for Lampard, one of the gems of the so-called "Golden Generation," what has he done?
I thought Parker had been England's best player in their qualifying group.
What have the media been saying about Carrick. I've only really watched SSN, this evening.
Rio, Richards and Lennon appear to be the ones causing far more talking points than Carrick. Probably because it is so long since he has featured.
Carrick has always been underrated by non-United fans. I have a friend who is still adamant that he has no idea what Carrick actually does, despite the fact he has been (at worst) United's best midfielder this season. He's even underrated by some United fans, as another friend of mine who claims to support United (but he was rather quick to congratulate City on the title before it was even over) seems to think Carrick does nothing.
I don't think it should matter what they have done in an England shirt before, it's a load of bollocks because they're essentially one off games held months apart. The players in form at the time of the games should go and it's as simple as that. Carrick has had solid form all season, unlike Parker, Milner, Barry, Lampard and Gerrard, who have all had stop-start seasons.
I don't think it should matter what they have done in an England shirt before, it's a load of bollocks because they're essentially one off games held months apart. The players in form at the time of the games should go and it's as simple as that. Carrick has had solid form all season, unlike Parker, Milner, Barry, Lampard and Gerrard, who have all had stop-start seasons.
He's never been given a proper chance in he England setup. Relying on Lampard/Gerrard is suicidal we'll get outplayed in the center of the park. Cant wait to see England fail, exactly the same shite Scholes had to endure. It's been a long time since I last enjoyed watching England.
Yep, I gave up on England after Beckham was dropped.
If I played a role in getting my team to a tournament, and was told, "Oh sorry, but he's better, so he'll be starting in place of you", I'd be upset. Carrick had no hand in getting England to the Euros, the likes of Barry, Parker, Lampard and Gerrard did. At the very least, it's unreasonable for Carrick to demand a starting role.
Now if he had not been approached at all, it would be a different matter. Carrick on form deserves to be called up in the squad. But he has to earn that starting spot. Ahead of those who got England qualified. By waiting for his turn, and then grabbing it with both hands. Isn't that the way things work at United?
Like I said, he blew his chance of shining on the international stage, which is sad.
Now if he had not been approached at all, it would be a different matter. Carrick on form deserves to be called up in the squad. But he has to earn that starting spot. Ahead of those who got England qualified. By waiting for his turn, and then grabbing it with both hands. Isn't that the way things work at United?
Like I said, he blew his chance of shining on the international stage, which is sad.
Ah
And yet Gerrard gets to be captain despite only playing 33 minutes since 2010?
Of course, he's better than the other 4 midfielders there. Baffling that Woy didn't see it.
1. 33 minutes more than Carrick
2. He has experience playing international games
3. I imagine he'll be playing in the hole while Rooney is suspended.
Another thought, was he expecting to be picked for the squad while his form was shot to pieces? This is just like Foster retiring from the squad for not getting picked after all those howlers
Are all of you really that surprised that he wasn't picked? He has barely played for England over the last few years. Gerrard, Lampard, Parker and Barry were definitely going to be picked. If Roy persists with a 4-4-2 which is what he usually does, then the chances of Carrick being picked were even slimmer.
I'm not saying he shouldn't have been picked. I think he should have. I'm just not surprised in the slightest.
I'm not saying he shouldn't have been picked. I think he should have. I'm just not surprised in the slightest.