Alas poor Carrick...WTF has happened?

He should have been included in the squad for sure, but the fact he's not even on the stand-by list is just mind boggling.

Jordan fecking Henderson on the stand-by list ahead of Michael Carrick.
 
I can't really see how he's not made it into the England squad to be honest. He probably should've been a starter for them. If you don't agree with that though, then I still don't think there's much debate that he should have been in the squad nevertheless.

What's even more shocking though is that Henderson has managed to make the stand-by list ahead of him as well.


Its incredible how stupid this is.. He must be a starter, let alone not making the squad.
 
I'm going to be generous, and believe that SAF has asked Roy not to take a few of our players to the Championship.
 
Could't care less about England squad, and although Carrick deserved his place with performances this season, it's better for United he won't go to Euro and that's only thing that matters to me.

He's been integral part of Manchester United team, plays for arguably greatest manager ever and he doesn't need to prove himself to anyone so don't think that omission from the squad can affect him in any way.

Have a nice summer Michael, relax and enjoy yourself and have fun watching Euro on TV knowing you won't be one of scapegoats for inevitable failure.
 
This got buried by the team announcement in the England thread.

Four Four Two article on taking Carrick over Barry and Parker.

http://fourfourtwo.com/blogs/statsz...ck-should-start-for-england-this-summer.aspx?

If it's a straight shoot-out between Carrick, Parker and Barry for the defensive midfield role, the stats show the Old Trafford man should get the nod, says Alex Keble

Until recently, Michael Carrick's league form has gone somewhat characteristically unnoticed. His quiet consistency, although never overlooked by his manager, fails to draw the attention of the press. This is no real surprise: Carrick's play relies primarily on tackles and interceptions, breaking up opposition attacks before playing a simple pass to begin the classic Man United counter attack.

It's fair to say Carrick wouldn't be the first name suggested for Roy Hodgson's Euro 2012 squad, but a brief look at statistics from FourFourTwo's Stats Zone quickly answers any questions. It's not his defensive work that merits inclusion ahead of rivals like Tottenham's Scott Parker and Manchester City's Gareth Barry, but his excellent use of the ball.

Will England use a defensive midfielder?
Roy Hodgson is well renowned to be a pragmatic manager who, given only a short space of time to work with the players before the Euros, will look to focus on defensive solidity. He will be acutely aware of England's technical deficiency, knowing that England are, despite media hype, underdogs.
With this in mind, there's a good chance of Hodgson utilising a midfield anchorman. Analysing England's recent international record, we can see that in the last six competitive games England have won four and drawn two. All four wins came when England used a 4-5-1 with Parker playing deep; both draws were when Capello selected a more traditional 4-4-2.

Hodgson's West Brom team regularly switched between 4-4-2 and 4-5-1, choosing the latter against stronger teams when a more defensive set-up is necessary. In the last two months Hodgson has used five in midfield (with Youssouf Mulumbu in the holding role) against Man City, Newcastle, Chelsea and Man United. The likelihood of him fielding a similar formation in the European Championships seems relatively high, considering he has already acknowledged success in the summer is 'going to be unbelievably hard'.

Carrick, Parker or Barry?
So why pick Carrick ahead of Parker, the man whose terrier-like approach has seen him become an international regular and guaranteed first choice for high-flying Spurs – or Barry, who has been England's default defensive midfielder for half a decade? At first glance, Parker makes more tackles per game than Carrick (3.8 to 3.1) and his interceptions are also superior (3.2 to 2.5). His play on the ball, however, is far weaker than Carrick's.

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This isn't an abstract problem. Hodgson has been quoted as saying "If you take [the second striker] out, the threat to the back of the defence has to come from the midfield, you need midfield players bursting forward... The central midfielders do an important job for you, they’re going to protect the back four, and they’re also going to be the catalysts for attacks'.
In other words, in Hodgson's 4-5-1, he needs two thing from his central midfield. He needs them to be "bursting forward" – which seems much more like Parker than Barry – but he also needs them to be the "catalyst for attacks". Step forward Michael Carrick.

Carrick's defensive statistics may not be as high as Parker's but they are still very good. He makes 3.1 tackles per game, more than both Marouane Fellaini and Alex Song. He also averages 2.5 interceptions per match – no mean feat for a midfielder.

What's most intriguing is the number of clearances Carrick makes: a puny 1.6 per game, lower than Parker and Barry. Why is it that a midfielder so adept at breaking down opposition attacks rarely makes clearances? The answer: he seldom feels the need to do so.

Carrick's ball retention is outstanding. He makes an average of 72.4 passes per game, significantly higher than Parker or Barry, and bettered only by Yaya Toure and Mikel Arteta, arguably the two best midfielders in the league this season. Of these passes, Carrick has an 89.8% completion rate, and his long pass completion is even more impressive, with an average of 6.1 per game: Carrick rarely loses the ball, rarely gives away possession.

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Given Hodgson requires a midfielder who can be the "catalyst for attacks", Carrick fits the bill perfectly. The consistency of his passing and his ball retention skills make, as can be easily seen in any Man United match, a huge contribution to their swift counter-attacks.

If Hodgson requires attackers to burst forward to support a lone striker, than surely an anchorman who will play the pass rather than clear his lines is the best way to ensure his fellow midfielders can offer attacking support quickly and efficiently. The cool head of Carrick, calmly retaining possession and beginning an England attack, suddenly appears as a favourable option to Parker.

Evidence: Head-to-Head In Key Games
To consolidate this idea, let us analyse Manchester United and Tottenham Hotspur against the same opponent: their 2-1 victories against Arsenal.
When United won at the Emirates in January, Carrick played as part of a four-man midfield, in an anchor role that allowed Giggs the freedom to link up with Rooney, dropping into his familiar role at No.10. Parker played a very similar role as part of a four-man midfield in Spurs' October win over Arsenal.

The Stats Zone statistics show us Carrick's high pass success rate (51 out of 56) and his unusually low number of clearances (2), suggesting good ball retention and controlled defensive play.

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What's more, Carrick made more passes and more tackles than any other player on the pitch, although, importantly, he made comparatively few clearances, and fewer than his counterpart Alex Song. United had 51.4% possession at the Emirates, completing 350 passes to Arsenal's 334.

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Whereas Carrick trumped his fellow midfielders for the number of passes made, the stats show that Parker made fewer passes than five other players including four Arsenal midfielders; indeed, at White Hart Lane Arsenal had 61.7% and completed 415 passes to Tottenham's 227.

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Perhaps as a result of this pressure, Parker made more tackles than Carrick (and the second most in the game).

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Both men attempted two clearances, but Carrick's were inside his own penalty box, suggesting he will only clear the ball and willingly concede possession when there is imminent danger. Parker's clearances, from slightly further forward, may indicate a deficiency in composure. This may appear a subtle difference, but it may just be exposed at international level.

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Perhaps more damningly, Opta stats reveal that Parker was tackled more often than Carrick (or for that matter Gareth Barry). The Spurs man was dispossessed 58 times in his 29 league games – twice a game, double the average of Barry (36 times in 34 games) and four times Carrick, who was dispossessed only 15 times in 30 games. With possession of paramount importance, Carrick is simply less likely to lose the ball.

Carrick for England?
England were transformed in 2007 when Gareth Barry re-entered the England set-up in a similar role, albeit in a 4-4-2 formation. Having relied on the tenacity of Owen Hargreaves up until this point, the introduction of an excellent passing midfielder in a deep role instantly gave more freedom to Steven Gerrard. Barry has remained in the England set up ever since, but his defensive work cannot compare to that of Parker or Carrick.

It is interesting to note that Manchester United, a team with the highest possession rate in the league, have won fewer aerial duels than any team bar Swansea and Wigan. Having a defensive midfielder who does not put the ball in the air, but instead quickly and efficiently turns over possession, certainly helps this statistic, and gives his fellow midfielders more time on the ball.
It's no wonder that Paul Scholes and Ryan Giggs have had such great seasons dictating play from the centre of the park, while Ashley Young has impressed on the left,Wayne Rooney has had his best league goalscoring season and Danny Welbeck has broken through for club and country. With Carrick in the England side, we can expect a similar amount of time and space for his team-mates in Ukraine.
 
Could't care less about England squad, and although Carrick deserved his place with performances this season, it's better for United he won't go to Euro and that's only thing that matters to me.

He's been integral part of Manchester United team, plays for arguably greatest manager ever and he doesn't need to prove himself to anyone so don't think that omission from the squad can affect him in any way.

Have a nice summer Michael, relax and enjoy yourself and have fun watching Euro on TV knowing you won't be one of scapegoats for inevitable failure.

If I recall, Beckham and Ronaldo had stormer seasons after coming back from international tournaments. I'm sure other United players have too. Playing in international tournaments is a benefit for our players, and I'm sure the club encourages it.
 
Carrick should retire from International football now, just put your mind at rest.
 
I'm going to be generous, and believe that SAF has asked Roy not to take a few of our players to the Championship.

Well Hodgson had quite a good go at taking all the Liverpool players to the Championship when he was manager there. He's just being consistent.
 
I'm going to be generous, and believe that SAF has asked Roy not to take a few of our players to the Championship.

He may have done, but really it is not up to SAF to decide if our players are available for major tournaments. He may think he is doing the right thing for them, but these lads want to play in the Euros and World Cup. If they aren't picked it could affect confidence. I can understand resting them for friendlies but to be honest Roy has just picked a awful boring dull squad.
 
Well Hodgson had quite a good go at taking a lot of Liverpool players to the Championship when he was manager there. He's just being consistent.

:lol:
 
It's absolutely ridiculous when you look at the lack of quality in there. Barry and Milner are average, AOC is uncapped, even someone like Henderson is in the standbys... Bad news for England good for United I suppose. Poor Carrick
 
I guess the exclusion of Carrick and Ferdinand can only be good for us though, as it gives them a proper rest. I'm a Scot, so I want to see England fail. All works out well for me in the end if they get a proper rest.
 
It's absolutely ridiculous when you look at the lack of quality in there. Barry and Milner are average, AOC is uncapped, even someone like Henderson is in the standbys... Bad news for England good for United I suppose. Poor Carrick

Barry's actually a fairly good player and deserves his place in the England squad, but Milner's the baffling one to be honest. Even Lampard is a poor call, but of course nobody will question that because of his history as being a good player.
 
I am a kind of Michael Carrick critic on here but this year he has been superb. I really can't fathom why we are not taking him, he has been the best English midfielder player in the World this season. He has been better than Gareth Barry in almost every single possible way.
 
So where are those critics (adex, Randall etc.) who said in the past that he wasn't called up because he was underperforming at club level? :smirk:

Right here...

I mean, 2 years ago, you could make a reasonable excuse for him not making international squads. He was inconsistent and his form at times was insipid. But after the season he's had?

I've never been one to take much stock in the whole "England don't appreciate technical ability" line, but I understand why people believe that now.
 
I think this clearly stems back to that incident with Capello when he played in the charity shield after ruling himself out of an upcoming friendly. I think it pissed off Capello and it pissed off the selectors at the FA. I do wonder if Carrick said he's not fussed about England and all but retired. Thats the only reasoning I can think of as to why he isn't starting let alone in the squad or as a backup. Better than Gerrard now, better than Lampard, better than Barry, better than Milner, better than Parker, better than fecking Henderson for god sake. He's exactly the midfielder that would allow us to go far.
It's going to be the same shit team that always loses, we will go out early and it will be blamed on Rooney. Barry, Gerrard and Lampard in the middle with Downing on the left and Walcott on the right and someone like Carroll on his own up front with Gerrard off him. Route one wank football.

I'm not supporting that shit. No interest whatsoever.
 
Jordan Henderson on standby, and Carrick who has dependably bossed United's midfield this season all the way to 89 points is nowhere to be seen.
 
Same shit with England. Ignore the technically gifted and include the typical "blood and thunder" type players.
 
So where are those critics (adex, Randall etc.) who said in the past that he wasn't called up because he was underperforming at club level? :smirk:

I like Michael Carrick and I have never overly criticised him. When his form was patch and inconsistent I pointed that out and he had one very poor season

I think based on his form this season he should be in it. But because he wasn’t picked at all by Capello I can understand why Roy did not

I already posted I would be more interested to see if he picks him after this tournament when it will be more his side and he can start afresh.

Hodgson has clearly played it safe with this squad.
 
I think this clearly stems back to that incident with Capello when he played in the charity shield after ruling himself out of an upcoming friendly. I think it pissed off Capello and it pissed off the selectors at the FA. I do wonder if Carrick said he's not fussed about England and all but retired. Thats the only reasoning I can think of as to why he isn't starting let alone in the squad or as a backup. Better than Gerrard now, better than Lampard, better than Barry, better than Milner, better than Parker, better than fecking Henderson for god sake. He's exactly the midfielder that would allow us to go far.
It's going to be the same shit team that always loses, we will go out early and it will be blamed on Rooney. Barry, Gerrard and Lampard in the middle with Downing on the left and Walcott on the right and someone like Carroll on his own up front with Gerrard off him. Route one wank football.

I'm not supporting that shit. No interest whatsoever.

Jasyus, if they took a hard line on players who got mysterious injuries that ruled them out of friendlies whilst not missing a game for their club they'd only be flying out about 6 players.
 
id love a journo to ask SAF about it. its absolutley shocking. I thought capello would have bummed carrick, i then thought under roy hodgeson, after this season he'd be a certainty. it really really baffles me. it also makes ya look a prick when you rave on about how good he's been for us to your non united mates who all think he's shit!
 
Considering the number of wingers picked (Walcott, Ox, Young, Downing), Milner must be being picked as Central midfielder... which is baffling in itself.

Think Milner will play out wide. He may even start the first game against France working back to help his fullback on Ribery.

England are probably looking at 2 of Parker/Barry/Lampard for all of their matches while Gerrard might also be added to the mix if Rooney finds himself playing in the hole (if Welbeck or Carroll make a serious claim in his absence). Milner and Jones can also do a job in the centre in the unlikely event they're required there so i think England have plenty of options. I dont think there's a need for them to bring Barry and Carrick as both do a similar job, so i can see why Carricks missed out.
 
Whoever is in charge of the English national team always end up making the same mistakes years after years ? Wasn't the 2010 WC enough to realize that some formulas and players should be dead and buried ?
No Carrick is a crime against football, Woy you fecking belled :lol:
 
England's loss is United's gain so I'm not too fussed about him missing out, but Roy has dropped a bollock nonetheless.
 
Think Milner will play out wide. He may even start the first game against France working back to help his fullback on Ribery.

England are probably looking at 2 of Parker/Barry/Lampard for all of their matches while Gerrard might also be added to the mix if Rooney finds himself playing in the hole (if Welbeck or Carroll make a serious claim in his absence). Milner and Jones can also do a job in the centre in the unlikely event they're required there so i think England have plenty of options. I dont think there's a need for them to bring Barry and Carrick as both do a similar job, so i can see why Carricks missed out.

Milner will play out wide? Instead of who? Why would he played Milner out wide AND select 4 other wingers? That doesn't make any sense. Milner will be, i imagine, be used mainly as as substitute to fill holes/be used to become more defensive minded. There's no way he's starting as a winger though... i'll be shocked if he does.

Also, Barry and Carrick play in similar positions but do very different jobs. If anything, Barry is more like Parker then Carrick, in that he wins the ball but doesn't really do much with it after that. Carrick's game is more expansive, in that he is a lot more comfortable on the ball, able to retain possession a lot more effectively, as well as pick out more adventurous passes. These are such qualities that England could certainly use.

As I said in the other thread, Parker works well at Spurs because he has Modric to do the things that he can't... namely, he's the man that uses the ball effectively/takes play forward/launches attacks. At City, Barry works well because he has Toure to do pretty much everything... when they play without their partner, or with each other for England, you often find each trying to over-compensate through doing things that neither are particularly good at, and their game falls as a result. Carrick would have been the perfect foil for that.