Agree with Wilshere ,not so much on the style of play.
Adnan Januzaj
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What did he say?
He's a plonker that thinks being English means 'we tackled hard' and 'Spanish are very technical, but we English tackle hard'..... Jack's always looked a bit fragile to me?
Found it now. Can't say that I disagree with him about 'keeping England for English'. Always didn't like when I saw 'naturalized' players playing for other countries. I think that FIFA should be more strict on this, and for a player to be eligible to play for a country IMO he should either be borned there or have ancesters from that state. Simply living for a few years and then presenting a nation is wrong IMO.
I haven't read the comments, but I agree that Januzaj shouldn't play for England. And regarding Mo Farah, he's not English but he is British.
England must be the only country I can think of that have a separate nationality to the country's ethnicity. For example, you can be German by race but then German by nationality as well whereas English wouldn't be your nationality.
Maybe we should open up a thread on this and have the debate rather than in here.
Oh completely, hence why I didn't draw reference to it, for me the trick is the name... ENGLISH. If you live somewhere for 5 years, then you've had a long stay, doesn't mean you are ENGLISH... I know I'm close to stepping on a lot of toes so I'll leave it there
It was more than that, quite prejudiced IMO
I'm not sure what you're getting at here - nationality, ethnicity, race...these are terms that have nothing to do with each other. That goes for Germany as well as for England. The latter isn't even a country, formally speaking, anymore than the old kingdom of Bavaria is one. The difference is that you may play for England in certain sports (and certain tournaments), whereas Bavaria doesn't have a national team of its own. Could've been a pretty decent team, though.
Anyway, you're right - probably best left for a different thread.
Wilshere couldn't get in the Spain team if he was born in Barcelona.
Well, little Jack is right. Naturalising people for the sole purpose of strengthening a sports team is farcical. Of course, that and players who've lived in a country since childhood and feel that they belong to that nation, should be understood as two different things.
You can't get into one's head, but I'd wager this kid couldn't possibly think of himself as English. Not after two fecking years.
You can't get into one's head, but I'd wager this kid couldn't possibly think of himself as English. Not after two fecking years.
Those who have followed Januzaj for the academy and reserves know that he relishes the physical side of the game and never backs out of a challenge. Fact, both our brilliant Belgian pretty-boys are deceptively tough.
I don't think there's anything deceptive about Fellaini.. But of course I know who you meant.
Januzaj thread has lost relevance to the player himself.
Feel free..
https://www.redcafe.net/index.php?t...aying-in-different-countries-to-birth.378089/
Feel free..
https://www.redcafe.net/index.php?t...aying-in-different-countries-to-birth.378089/
Its a ridiculous thing to say. Dont know why he felt the need to comment on this situation. Guess he would have been asked in a presser but why would a journalist ask wilshere about januzaj and which country he should play for is beyond me.
Bizarre comment really. Your example is even more bizarre as Anglo Saxons, if that is what you mean by English, are racially Germanic. English is also a Germanic language.
Look at players like Sol Campbell, he is not not racially 'English' but he was proud to play for the English football team and identifies as English.
Berahinho at WBA is an interesting case. He was not born in England, his family were refugees who fled persecution, now he wants to represent the country that helped him. It makes me proud that he does.
If Januzaj feels more kinship with England than the other countries in his life, for whatever reason, then I am happy for him to play for us.
This notion that 'English' is some kind of racial identity is offensive and absolute bollocks.
Heisenberg ?
The chap from the voiceover sounds like Mourinho. Even the tripe he says sounds Mourinho
So back to Adnan.......
Do people expect him to start in our next few matches ? I wonder will we see him selected for the reserves again?
Do people expect him to start in our next few matches ? I wonder will we see him selected for the reserves again?
It's worth noting that the whole Januzaj thing is ridiculously academic. There's absolutely no way he's ever going to choose to play for England. His decision has always been one of Albania vs Belgium, and personally I think it's about 80% likely that he'll choose Belgium.
Even if he had any real reason or inclination to choose England, he'd have to wait until 2016 or something. Is he really going to refuse to play national games for three more years just for the privilege of appearing for Roy Hodgson's up-and-coming thrillers?
It's just something the press like to suggest every now and then to give them another angle on the overhyping a new youngster stories.
Even if he had any real reason or inclination to choose England, he'd have to wait until 2016 or something. Is he really going to refuse to play national games for three more years just for the privilege of appearing for Roy Hodgson's up-and-coming thrillers?
It's just something the press like to suggest every now and then to give them another angle on the overhyping a new youngster stories.
I see no reason why he wouldn't start the next match. He'll be one of our fresh players after the international break.
Answer my fecking question
Hypothetical question, based around the theory that 'if he has not signed by January we will not be playing him'.
If Januzaj has established himself as our best performer by January, but indicates that he will not sign, do we remove him from the team out of spite, or do we play him and keep the side as strong as possible?
If Januzaj has established himself as our best performer by January, but indicates that he will not sign, do we remove him from the team out of spite, or do we play him and keep the side as strong as possible?
He will be in the godzilla new movie. Bryan cranston.
So back to Adnan, i dont care what he chooses. But if i were him, i would decide quickly. Probably its too late for Brasil WC... But who knows. 1 injured player and u are up.
The longer he doesn't play shitty international football the better for us. I hope he never plays international football and plays for United for 20 years. If he does pick then I hope he picks Albania and they stay shit so he retires early and never has to play in majors.
There's no room for leaving players out out of spite. How regularly we play him would depend on how things are going in the league, I certainly would rather Zaha got gametime than someone on his way out. I think he will stay though. It would be handy if he made up his mind quickly, would give him a nice hike in wages and allow us to offload Young in January to free up the ridiculous money he is on and playing time for Zaha.
Best case for us would be England as there would be no international footie until he turns 23 and we could then keep fingers crossed for an early retirement ala Paul Scholes.
Playing for Albania sounds fecking depressing but him not making up his mind yet indicates that may well be what he wants. All the better.
Hopefully he wont choose to play for any African countries as then we get into the whole ACN month off business.
I know it's slightly against the rules, but it's a former caftard's work and kinda relevant.
nice
Its quite insane how he has 1 good performance in the league and now he even has nations scrapping over him, let alone other league clubs.
The poor boys head must be absolutely scrambled.
Great to see him hanging with some of the older team members though, It shows how he must be feeling part of the first team already. Good sign that.
The poor boys head must be absolutely scrambled.
Great to see him hanging with some of the older team members though, It shows how he must be feeling part of the first team already. Good sign that.
Stuff hasn't suddenly started happening after his debut. The media have just started paying attention to him. Nations aren't scrapping over him - Belgium and Albania were already working to convince him to play for them, and they still are. That's all. The only thing that's changed is the media catching on.
I won't play him if he doesn't sign a new contract by January, not even in the reserves, unless he turns van Persie like performances every week.
What if Ashley Young is turning in 'Ashley Young like performances every week?' Or an injury crisis?
Worst case scenario - None of Valencia, Young, Lingard, Kagawa, Zaha, Giggs and Rooney are working, then play him. Otherwise not. If at all possible, don't play him. Would deter other kids from doing the same.
That's surely spite though? Or do you think Dortmund should have Lewandowski in the reserves all season too?
I must admit I am undecided myself. I'd like us to not play him too, but I'd also like that to be on the basis we don't need to. Even if we have some of those players you mentioned available, like Young and Valencia, for example - but he was clearly better - would it be a good or bad idea to leave him out of key games in a title/trophy hunt? I'm split personally.
Like feck it would.
Lewandowski situation is not comparable at all. Januzaj is nowhere near being the best in his position while Lewa clearly is. They have no one who can do his role half as good as he can. We have many players. What I am saying is that Januzaj currently is not all that better than Kagawa, if at all. If Januzaj, over the course of next three months, improves to an extent that not having him in the team creates a big difference, then sure play him. But I don't see it happening.
Have you all decided he's leaving now then?
Nope. Discussing hypotheticals because we have nothing better to do. Similar to the should Moyes be fired if we don't finish top 4 discussion, cleearly not gonna happen.
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