The Mirror, I think it was, claimed Young was making 120k a week when we signed them. Since then, it's became 'the unquestionable truth'.
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Nothing printed in that ABU rag should be considered true. Used to be a good paper too before Maxwell got his greedy mitts on it.
If Young doesn't play too much between now and December we might be able to flog him off in Jan considering he might still harbor ambitions of going to the world cup (should England qualify).
Fingers crossed.
The problem is there's very little sign that we have any inclination to do anything like that. Like Fergie, Moyes has been giving him game time and there have been no signs of dissatisfaction from either party. It's not something I can remember us doing very much in recent years, getting rid of players who are substandard for any reason other than age. Especially when they haven't been here for very long. We ditched O'Shea and Brown, I suppose, but they'd both been with us for a very long time and given a great deal of good service, whereas Young basically just hasn't really worked out.
I suppose it's slightly more likely under a new boss, at least. Moyes won't have to feel like he's admitting a mistake if he sells Young, which Fergie would have.
It's news to me that we didn't want to keep Pique and Rossi. Probably news to Fergie as well.
Nor do I agree with your second point. We produce few young players good enough to warrant 'ridiculous contract clauses'. When we do, it's sensible to pay them. If another great talent emerges from the youth system 5 years later, the precedent is unlikely to be too damaging.
The youth system is no longer a thing apart - governed by different rules. Our own pillaging of young players from other clubs shows that. If we don't pay market rates, others will. And it won't be their (the player's) loss, it'll be ours.
Pique was mauled in two games and Ferguson lost confidence in his ability to handle it in the Premier League week in week out.
When Barcelona made a good offer he accepted it.
Rossi was absolutely prolific at junior level. I would have liked to have seen him get more games but Ferguson through he too wasn't 100% suitable for PL...particularly after he signed Rooney. That was one Ferguson decision I actually disagree with.
In terms of contracts...you just can't allow clauses about 'minimum number of games'...it isn't a feasible concept...regardless of how much potential a young player might have.
Rossi was just too good for the reserves at the time but not quite good enough for our first team. In hindsight, it's a shame he didn't get a better chance. He had a poor loan move to Newcastle and then went to Parma, why didn't we give him a chance after that loan? Or loan him out again to a premier league club that would actually play him?
I don't think Fergie would have let Pique go if Evans didn't have a good loan spell.
Looking at that list (assuming it's correct,) I miss Paul Scholes even more. Absolutely no bullshit with that guy.
I'd take Fergie wanting Pique to leave with a pinch of salt. It's not like him to write off a youngster after a tricky berth. Especially a ball playing centre half.
Interesting Pique stat. He has 3 European Cup winners medals, and scored more goals in United's 2008 campaign (2) than in either of his other winning ones with Barca (1 each)
Interesting Pique stat. He has 3 European Cup winners medals, and scored more goals in United's 2008 campaign (2) than in either of his other winning ones with Barca (1 each)
I imagine that was quite a competitive wage when he signed a contract aged 29/30 and he kept rolling it on each year from then.
It makes sense that any player over 30 who earns another year gets the same contract for their loyalty and experience, I can't see many signing terms for a bigger contract anyway.
Anderson is on more than Giggs? Jesus H Christ, the person who does the payroll must shake their head every month when they process that.
Where are they?
Oklahoma City has an NBA team?
I am out of touch.
I am out of touch.
I think they were the old Seattle team, the SuperSonics? Then moved to Oklahoma.
Backwards caps are so 1994.
It appears Rio gave him one of them 5 things so he did his best to hide that without disappointing Rio.
It was just the Bolton game, where Pique made a mistake and most people jumped on that. He was okay aside from that. Ferguson said he'd do everything in his power to keep Pique. He even mentioned playing him in a lot of games that seemed unrealistic at the time, was something between 20-30 matches, if he stayed. Sometimes Sir Alex says things which arent quite true, but 100% of the time there is a pretty good reason for that. Bigging up a player we were about to sell to Barcelona for peanuts as someone who would play a large chunk of the season's matches for United is as far from that as you can imagine.
Sir Alex played Rossi instead of Ruud and compared him to Rooney and Ronaldo in interviews. He unfortunately didnt end up picking him enough to go with the comments, and instead of Rooney it was clearly signing Tevez that meant Rossi wasnt going to get chances after his Parma loan. That was the end of it
Anyone seen Wilsheres quotes regarding Januzaj and England. Sounds like a right thick cnut. Who is he to say who should and shouldn't play for England?
His assessment of what is associated with an English player is quite funny.
His assessment of what is associated with an English player is quite funny.
In these things, and as was pointed out earlier in the thread, possession is nine points of the law. He will be 19 next summer and will be better off focusing on continuity in his development. He has all that he needs for now at United, including playing time in the first team. He might want to take the Ronnie route in his mid-20's if he becomes world class, but to follow Pogba's example next summer is a big risk that he does not need to take.
On his performance on Saturday, I was astounded that he became the best player on the field on his first start. He looks like an answer to our supposed lack of "creativity" and seems to have everything.
On his performance on Saturday, I was astounded that he became the best player on the field on his first start. He looks like an answer to our supposed lack of "creativity" and seems to have everything.
has this been posted? clearly the Belgian national team coach says he is staying at United.
I don't know if the journalist has quite interpreted that right. It could be what he meant, but it sounded more like he meant that Januzaj hasn't made a decision regarding which nation to play for and at this point is just focussing on United.
A lot of mean comments. Why shouldn't he do what he considers best for him?
Gojiraaa gojiraaaaa!! this looks fecking awesome... plus Heisenberg.
Neither left on a free on the grounds they weren't getting enough games with our squad clearly indicating they would get an opportunity to become regulars.
Piqué was going to leave eventually, Rio and Vidic were at their peak and if you gave me a choice between him and Evans it's a no-brainer which was bound to be the better investment for us. Rossi was a shame, came through with us spoilt for choice, we were clearly not going to use him much and that would have stunted his development. Tough call but had he been in a similar position to Pogba (Scholes retiring, the competition being non-existent) I'm sure he wouldn't have thought twice about staying.
Neither has much in common with the Pogba situation or demanding guaranteed starts. It's not money we are discussing, it's such clauses we are arguing shouldn't be contemplated, while others think it's almost a necessity these days. It is completely at odds with giving the manager the final say on who plays and requiring players perform rather than get played because a contract says so. Piqué and Rossi leaving had nowt to do with money or guaranteed start clauses.
shit, yep, totally wrong.
Absolutely moronic from Wilshere
That's exactly how I interpret it. Why would the Belgian assistant manager know anything about the contract negotiations between Januzaj and the club?
And his English is quite bad as well. Wouldn't read too much in these quotes.
Based on his views Zaha and Sterling shouldn't be playing for England.
It's as bad as his ' i was only holding the cigarette for a friend' remark.
By that token, Mo Farah, John Barnes et al shouldn't have competed for GB, England whoever
With Pique and Rossi, the question is simple: if they had been willing to stay, would they have been sold? I believe - although Mr. MUJAC, who knows a lot about youth matters, thinks differently - that the answer, in both cases, is no.
No agent would ask for a guaranteed start, nor any club offer it. A contractual stipulation that should his client play fewer minutes than a specified number, he should be allowed to leave the club on receipt of a certain minimum offer, is a different matter. I understand the objections, and such clauses are not generally desirable, but there's a reasonable rationale in the case of a young player who doesn't want to sit on the bench at a crucial stage of his development. If Barca gave a release clause to Thiago, without expecting the walls of the Nou Camp to come tumbling down, why shouldn't we follow their example?
Exactly. He's an idiot.
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