Adnan Januzaj

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I think both deserve credit. Sir Alex fast tracked him but Moyes was under no obligation to play him. I think if Sir Alex was here, he wouldn't have featured realistically. If Adnan keeps performing, I think he might become a realistic option most weeks. The fact is, we didn't bring through THAT many kids at 18, and play them for 90 mins for the first team in league games. It tended to be all about the cups or sub appearances

It makes absolute sense for Moyes to do what he has done but there was a risk.

I don't agree with that.

Players, including young players, have to be assessed as individuals. What we've done with other 18 year olds in the past is irrelevant. Januzaj is an exceptional talent. Were we brave to play an 18 year old Rooney? Or were Barca brave to promote Messi at the same age?

I don't want to make any direct comparisons, certainly not to Messi, but Adnan's performances merited a run in the team.
 
Im about as white as you get and was born and raised in Greater Manchester, and I'd never call myself English. I think its just a common trend among immigrants and their descendants to self-identify as British.

But would you play for England? Because the option to play for Britain isn't there (other than last summer).
 
I don't agree with that.

Players, including young players, have to be assessed as individuals. What we've done with other 18 year olds in the past is irrelevant. Januzaj is an exceptional talent. Were we brave to play an 18 year old Rooney? Or were Barca brave to promote Messi at the same age?

I don't want to make any direct comparisons, certainly not to Messi, but Adnan's performances merited a run in the team.

You're absolutely right to talk about Adnan as a talent in playing potential you're risking upsetting a multi million pound player. I can do better then Potential. I can raise that to an established player. An experienced player. Rooney had premiership experience, not to mention was a star for England at the time. I don't think Messi was much of a gamble, do you?

Don't misunderstand me. I wanted him playing from the start, but i'm very much pro kids. I'd have started Pogba too that last season given the chance because players like this are the future BUT they can also be the present. I think Moyes could have went with Valencia and Nani very easily but didn't and he deserves credit for that. I think i've been transparent that i'm not happy we dropped the ball with Pogba and I disagree with most people. I think if we had of given him games, he would have re-signed and so credit to Moyes for making a good decision with Adnan.

We have great young talent at the club. We should have no reservation playing kids with ability
 
I was talking about my ethnicity background, I wouldn't put English on those ethnicity surveys.
Fair enough I suppose. You phrased it in an odd way.
Im about as white as you get and was born and raised in Greater Manchester, and I'd never call myself English.
Surely this is more parochial stubbornness tied to political history? A lot of mancs and scoucers do it, the idea of Mancunia etc, it's more about being great independent cities who felt shabbily treated by a London based government. If Manchester was the capital you'd feel English, I'm certain of it..

I mean, England's not actually a country, its a national identity for Anglo-Saxons very vaguely tied to geography which doesn't make a huge amount of sense if you're 'new'.

Oh FFS you've gone all Weaste.
 
My mate in the gym told me. He works up by Carrington and usually hears bits and pieces. Don't know how true it is mind.
 
Surely this is more parochial stubbornness tied to political history? A lot of mancs and scoucers do it, the idea of Mancunia etc, it's more about being great independent cities who felt shabbily treated by a London based government. If Manchester was the capital you'd feel English, I'm certain of it.

Oh FFS you've gone all Weaste.


Id always argue that the North has more in common in terms of culture and history with Southern Scotland and much of Wales than it does with the South, where the comfortable majority of English people live and whose culture largely determines what counts as 'English'. We also have a much more traditionally diluted and less WASPy population, and no doubt my Catholicism plays into this. I mean, I actually think there's as demonstrable a Northern identity as there is a Scottish or Welsh, although I recognise that's controversial. The same goes for London, which may as well be its own planet.

All of the above exist in one actual nation called Great Britain (for the sake of sanity let's ignore NI), we just happen to have more grimly clung to our notions of individual 'countries' than most other modern states (hat-tip to Spain and Belgium) and have this weird exception to the international rules in the sports we invented. I'd categorise my expanding identities (as it were) as Mancunian then Northern then British then European, and I'm not really sure what 'England' is supposed to be in this equation.

The relevance of all this? Not much, but I hope that whether Januzaj feels Belgian, Kosovar, or Albanian; he has at least decided if he's Flemish or French.
 
He's had so much attention hurled at him this week. Seriously hope the club manage to protect him and keep him grounded. I do think people are going a little overboard with the praise. Just let him develop.
 
People talking about him qualifying to play for England in the future, bit premature when it's not even guaranteed yet that he'll be in England past next summer :nervous:

Looks like one of our main goals this season will be tying him down, will be a big plus for Moyes if he gets it done.
 
I like the fact he hasn't given a shit about international football up until this point in his career. He knows what's good for him and won't let anything get in his way.

He either has a smart head on his shoulders or a bunch of level headed advisors working for him in the background... in any case, I don't see this lad losing his way like so many others have in the past. He's shown the same single-mindedness in his appearances for the first team. With the talent and application he's shown so far, I think he'll be one of the best players in the world by his mid twenties.

He's also got the same hairstyle as me, so I'm guessing he's a bit of a hit with the ladies. The kid is getting everything right at the moment.
 
Any chance we could ban "Pogba" from this thread? It's beyond ridiculous how many times he's been mentioned. We get it; you know feck all about what happened in Pogba's case and you're all pissed about whatever you think happened. Brilliant, let's move on.
 
You'd think it won't be more than 30k for an 18yo. Something is wrong with football if these little wankers want more than 30k. feck me.
Clubs throwing ludicrous sums around for talent. "Great for football." :wenger:
 
As much as I think the club should and probably would have learned from the Pogba situation. I think the club still needs to stand their ground and stay true to what they believe in.

If it's only about the money,well I'm sorry, I'm happy to see the player move on. If he wants to stay and become a Manchester United player, he will know what is coming his way if he is patient and develops as a footballer.

In saying that, I am not suggesting that Januzaj is chasing the money, I'm just being hypothetical. Sure, pay him a little more than the average young player but if we start going throwing wages at young players who don't deserve it, we are just playing the same game as the Arab owned clubs and we can't win at the game, we need to remain Manchester United and if we do so, we will have consistent, sustained success.
 
If it's only about the money,well I'm sorry, I'm happy to see the player move on. If he wants to stay and become a Manchester United player, he will know what is coming his way if he is patient and develops as a footballer.
Exactly. Of course we'd be in the minority with the armchair executives from the CAF mind. It's bonkers to even think about paying players based on what they could potentially be worth rather than paying them to go out there and prove it.

If we lose him then we lose him. Someone else will come along no doubt.
 
It's difficult to tell how good an 18 year old player is going to be. But one thing's for sure, if we keep him here on whatever wages, in two or three years time, we'll have a much clearer picture. And when that time comes, I'd rather he be on contract with us, so that we're in the prime position to decide if this kid is worth keeping.

So I'd say pay what we need to pay. 50k a week is not too much for a player whom we'll be expecting to start a few games here and there, and quite a number more substitute appearances.
 
So I'd say pay what we need to pay. 50k a week is not too much for a player whom we'll be expecting to start a few games here and there, and quite a number more substitute appearances.

From the way it looks as though United tries to do things it's to leave something for the player to play for. If he's on a bit less than he feel's he deserves then there is always something to prove to the manager why he deserves more money. But in truth it really shouldn't be like that. He's a poached prospect and well entitled to leave for money if he feels that is what he want's to do.

It's too bad Ryan 'I never want to leave' Tunnicliffe doesn't have the potential that Januzaj is showing.
 
Put him on 150k a week and if he isnt performing to that level, sell him to Real Madrid in the summer
 
From the way it looks as though United tries to do things it's to leave something for the player to play for. If he's on a bit less than he feel's he deserves then there is always something to prove to the manager why he deserves more money. But in truth it really shouldn't be like that. He's a poached prospect and well entitled to leave for money if he feels that is what he want's to do.

It's too bad Ryan 'I never want to leave' Tunnicliffe doesn't have the potential that Januzaj is showing.

Unfortunately, the reality is that players have agents, and there are clubs out there willing to take a punt (and pay high wages) even if you're not. This makes it hard for us to gauge what's the "right" amount of money to offer, especially for players who are a bit special. You'd like to think that there is some form of gratitude or loyalty shown to the club who gave them their breakthrough, and that they'll therefore negotiate reasonably on a new contract, but this is not always the case.
 
Januzaj: I want to play well for United and give everything for my club

Adnan Januzaj has admitted that international football isn’t a priority for him right now and that playing well for Manchester United is his main prerogative.
United hope that the 18-year-old Belgian will sign a new long term deal because of how good a player he is and the future he could have at Old Trafford.
And speaking to United Review, Januzaj insisted that he is ready to give everything to United after being given the belief he needed to succeed.
“At the moment, international football isn’t something that I’ve thought a lot about,” Januzaj said.
“I know that, first, I have to concentrate on what I do for United, because that is the most important part of my career right now.
“I want to play well for United and give everything for my club.
“When a big, big manager like Sir Alex Ferguson gives you a shirt number your thought is that you can really do something for this club.
“When you realise everyone is behind you at Old Trafford, it gives you the belief to play with the qualities I have.
“I want to play in as many games as I can and become the best payer I can possibly be. I know that I need to keep working hard every day to achieve that. I have to be ready, ready to take my chance.”
“It really helped having that support behind me because you get a feeling that everyone wants you to do well.
Yesterday, United told Belgium told Januzaj was not ready to make his mind up over his international future and it is great to see that he is focused on sorting his club career out beforehand, something that sounds increasingly positive from a United perspective.
Januzaj has nothing but the right things to say about United. He has a hard work ethic, a desire to succeed and respect for his other players – characteristics that would help any youngster quickly into any first team.
He has outlined that his favourite position is the coveted #10 role but that he is happy to play wherever so long as he is getting time on the pitch.
He continued: “I want to play in as many games as I can and become the best payer I can possibly be. I know that I need to keep working hard every day to achieve that. I have to be ready, ready to take my chance.
“I’m confident in my ability and believe I can help the team.”
“My favourite position is No.10, but I’ve played on the left and right.”
“Everyone gives me advice, that’s the great thing here. I speak a lot with Patrice and Giggsy.
“They have great experience, they’re big players at the club and have gone through everything I’m going through. Their advice is important.
“If I play on the left, Patrice is just behind me, so he helps me, and I’m playing in a similar position to Giggsy. I ask him questions all the time as he’s been a top, top player for so long. He’s a good teacher.
“My favourite position is No.10, but I’ve played on the left and right.”

This interview does not sound like a player who is getting ready to leave United. It sounds like a player who is ready to start his career at United.

http://thepeoplesperson.com/januzaj-i-want-to-play-well-for-united-and-give-everything-for-my-club/


He's here for the long term if David and Ed do their job properly.
 
As much as I think the club should and probably would have learned from the Pogba situation. I think the club still needs to stand their ground and stay true to what they believe in.

If it's only about the money,well I'm sorry, I'm happy to see the player move on. If he wants to stay and become a Manchester United player, he will know what is coming his way if he is patient and develops as a footballer.

In saying that, I am not suggesting that Januzaj is chasing the money, I'm just being hypothetical. Sure, pay him a little more than the average young player but if we start going throwing wages at young players who don't deserve it, we are just playing the same game as the Arab owned clubs and we can't win at the game, we need to remain Manchester United and if we do so, we will have consistent, sustained success.

Exactly. Of course we'd be in the minority with the armchair executives from the CAF mind. It's bonkers to even think about paying players based on what they could potentially be worth rather than paying them to go out there and prove it.

If we lose him then we lose him. Someone else will come along no doubt.

I agree with you guys. Sometimes it is not just money but attitude of players. It is no big deal for clubs who have risen to top by throwing money at players and then at some others if the first ones fail. We don't go about like that and we shouldn't...ever.
Sure Pogba has been one of the best player in Serie A and Ravel Morrison has started to get back on track, but there were legitimate reasons from club side to be firm on their stand. Morrison was no-brainer. SAF always admired his quality but was worried about his attitude (which was worrying) and that made him sell. SAF's message to Big Sam while selling clearly indicates that. With Pogba, the player was already getting ahead of himself. He maybe right in feeling sad by not playing in CM when we were so depleted in that area, but SAF must have had plans on how best to draft him in as a regular. If only he would have shown a bit of patience, I am sure he would have played lot more in 2012-13 season. He didn't want to be patience, he moved on and so do we.
Fortunately, Adnan's attitude looks lot better than Pogba's. He always talks about willing to learn and how he has to still keep on getting better. I don't think we will hassle too much on salary. Just hope it is sorted out soon.
 
Someone's done a match comp of Januzaj vs Sunderland:
 
I saw a video of the interview with the Belgium coach on Sky and he definitely said that Januzaj is staying at United.
Fingers crossed we get the contract sorted ASAP. I believe we will.

Those quotes above from Januzaj are quite old I think, but hopefully unlikely that he will have deviated too far from that opinion.
 
He's showing great attitude in those interviews, if he's really looking up to Giggsy then we can only profit from it. Not only may it affect his playstyle but as well his 'longevity' at our club. He's definitely the spark we've missed this season, I hope that his debut will lift our whole team.​
 
As much as I think the club should and probably would have learned from the Pogba situation. I think the club still needs to stand their ground and stay true to what they believe in.

If it's only about the money,well I'm sorry, I'm happy to see the player move on. If he wants to stay and become a Manchester United player, he will know what is coming his way if he is patient and develops as a footballer.

In saying that, I am not suggesting that Januzaj is chasing the money, I'm just being hypothetical. Sure, pay him a little more than the average young player but if we start going throwing wages at young players who don't deserve it, we are just playing the same game as the Arab owned clubs and we can't win at the game, we need to remain Manchester United and if we do so, we will have consistent, sustained success.

Exactly. Of course we'd be in the minority with the armchair executives from the CAF mind. It's bonkers to even think about paying players based on what they could potentially be worth rather than paying them to go out there and prove it.

If we lose him then we lose him. Someone else will come along no doubt.


There's a large asteroid heading your way, guys. :smirk:
 
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