Adnan Januzaj

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By the time Januzaj was born, Giggs had won 2 league medals, a Super Cup, an FA Cup and a league cup medal, two community shields plus two young PFA POTY awards along with other more minor awards.
 
Well it did say 'sewerage outlet', so you looked inside. Boggles my mind sometimes.. Just so head shakingly awful.
 
Genius Me! said:
Well you wouldn't know unless you were in that position, especially if the communities of your country is strong and you're proud of your heritage. I'm proud to be British, but I'd never call myself English because I'm not. How can I be English when I'm not white? And when you grow up in an English area and suffer racism then that's hardly likely to make you want to call yourself English either.
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That's too bad. Racism is a fecking cancer.
 
Really reminds me of Cruyff. The same silky skills and effortless in his play. Just give him the new contract and slowly ease him into the first team. We should be careful of burnout and not place unrealistic expectations too soon on an 18 year old.
 
Moriarty said:
That's too bad. Racism is a fecking cancer.
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Yeah, well luckily for me I was thick skinned so I didn't let it bother me as much as it would have. Although one cnut wanted to beat me up once calling me an afghan which I'm not. I've never had any problems since leaving school though, but I especially used to get a lot of abuse for being Turkish with the whole galatasaray/Leeds business.
 
Question regarding this whole England allegience thing. I've seen it intimated that Januzaj will have to wait 5 years to become eligible. If I'm not mistaken, that will of course be another 3 years, as opposed to 5 from now?
 
dar10nian said:
Really reminds me of Cruyff. The same silky skills and effortless in his play. Just give him the new contract and slowly ease him into the first team. We should be careful of burnout and not place unrealistic expectations too soon on an 18 year old.
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This is important and is partly the responsibility of his more experienced teammates. The pressure and expectation on him is largely due to everyone around him undeperforming now. Currently, he is our 'saviour' who has stepped in to rescue a faltering team. The more the other players don't deliver, the more hopes that will be put on the new kid.

If/once the others pick up form, that should naturally ease some pressuere on Adnan.
 
Hope our top priority during the international break is to get Adnan signed on a long term contract, no excuses but simply get the lad to sign on the dotted line.
 
Rozay said:
Question regarding this whole England allegience thing. I've seen it intimated that Januzaj will have to wait 5 years to become eligible. If I'm not mistaken, that will of course be another 3 years, as opposed to 5 from now?
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That's how I understand it. Which only reinfroces my belief that he obviously, totally, clearly won't play for England.
 
b82REZ said:
Let's not make unfair comparisons so early in his career. He might be as good as Young one day though (fingers crossed).
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He could certainly do with Ashley taking him under his wing and teaching him everything he knows. Which basically consists of how to dive a lot better than he managed on Saturday.
 
So is his father Albanian but how come he can play for Serbia/Croatia and Turkey-that is a bit of a mixbag.
 
Sir A1ex said:
He could certainly do with Ashley taking him under his wing and teaching him everything he knows. Which basically consists of how to dive a lot better than he managed on Saturday.
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He needs to keep clear of Young, lets hope he works more closely with Giggs.
 
Sir A1ex said:
That's how I understand it. Which only reinfroces my belief that he obviously, totally, clearly won't play for England.
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I don't think he will, nor do I think he should tbh. I don't really like the idea of 'nationalizing' players to play for your national team. It then makes it like club football, and I'm sure countries will be throwing money and passports at 14 year olds to move to their countries.

Didn't Qatar start nationalising Brazilians years ago like Ailton to play for them? I don't think those players even lived in Qatar, they were probably just given a passport and loads of cash.
 
bosnian_red said:
I don't know where you're from or anything, so obviously I don't know how you would look at it. All I'm saying is that I know for a fact how people from that part of the world see it in comparison to other nationalities here in Canada. And in general, Bosnians/Serbians/Croatians etc. are a lot prouder of their ancestry's culture and background then others.
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I agree. There are a few who preferred to play for a country where they were born or where their parents were born. For example, for all the time that Didier Drogba spent in France, he could have qualified for the French national team, but he chose to play for the Ivory Coast. Fréderic Kanoute was born and raised in France, but he felt that it was his duty to play for Mali. On the otherhand, you have Marcel Desailly who decided to represent France even though he could have easily qualified to play for Ghana, his birthplace, or Patrick Vieira who could have played for Senegal, but opted for France instead. In short, whatever Adnan chooses, I hope he does well and should he choose the nation from where his parents come from.

Note: I didn't know that he became the youngest ever player in the history of the club to score a double.
 
Genius Me! said:
I'm proud to be British, but I'd never call myself English because I'm not. How can I be English when I'm not white?
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I don't follow this bit at all. How come you're totally happy to think of yourself as British, but can't concieve of yourself as English?

I'd have thought that conceptually they are pretty much the same, taking the other British countries out of the equation (I presume you're not Scottish, which would render the whoele question pointless).
 
Genius Me! said:
I'm talking heritage, not nationality. I like all people.
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I'm not saying you're racist, but clearly you've had enough people who are bully you with this idea that you've believed it. And as such, have essentially let them win. And to regurgitate it is still a bit of a slap in the face to any other non-whites who do consider themselves English, and with every right to.

England (or any other geographical region) is a place, not a cultural cosmic mindstate. A place you live/are born/brought up/pay taxes/work/learn stuff in. Aside from a few national pass times and Daily Mail crosswords heritage doesn't really mean anything. It's just some things other people who happened to have lived here too have done over the years with enough success to become culturally important.

At one point our heritage was completely different. It can, and will, change with every new set of people doing their own new set of things. Which in a few decades time, will ethnically be a very different set of people.
 
Rozay said:
I don't think he will, nor do I think he should tbh. I don't really like the idea of 'nationalizing' players to play for your national team. It then makes it like club football, and I'm sure countries will be throwing money and passports at 14 year olds to move to their countries.

Didn't Qatar start nationalising Brazilians years ago like Ailton to play for them? I don't think those players even lived in Qatar, they were probably just given a passport and loads of cash.
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Yes, they did, and I couldnt agree more.

TBF, the whoel reason anybody is talking about this is becuase it was reported that Hodgson was into the idea. The reality was that they said him on MOTD that Adnan could qualify for England, and he gave a very non-comital answer saying that he thought this might be true. He then actually then made a comment about being wary of nationalising players, which gave the impression he found it a pretty distasteful idea himself.
 
Nate Dogg said:
So is his father Albanian but how come he can play for Serbia/Croatia and Turkey-that is a bit of a mixbag.
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Heritage. I think 1 set of his grandparents are Turkish, mother from Kosovo and perhaps some links to Serbia/Croatia from there (not quite sure how it works, not a Balkan expert).

It's a shame Albania are pretty shit, it seems that's the nation he'd prefer to play for and where he sees his heritage (then again I'm just reading newspaper stories, could be bullshit).
 
Another thing for Adnan to consider, and I'm sure his agent will have made him fully aware - is that he stands to make an absolute feckload of money if he stays here and fulfils his potential. If he gets the number 7 for instance, and continues his form, he will become the new face of United. If he thinks the summer tour was crazy this year, he can try next year when everyone will be turning out to see him.

Off the field, he will absolutely rake it in, and if he is financially motivated, that should not be taken lightly.
 
Rozay said:
Another thing for Adnan to consider, and I'm sure his agent will have made him fully aware - is that he stands to make an absolute feckload of money if he stays here and fulfils his potential. If he gets the number 7 for instance, and continues his form, he will become the new face of United. If he thinks the summer tour was crazy this year, he can try next year when everyone will be turning out to see him.

Off the field, he will absolutely rake it in, and if he is financially motivated, that should not be taken lightly.
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Yep, and this is something that Fergie used to say all the time, (although unfortunately he wasn't always heard by the player). However impressive Juventus's footballing stature is at the moment, in financial terms in the 'long' run (8-10 years rather than 3-5) United is a far better option, even if Juve are offering higher wages. We have more financial clout, our players get massive global exposure, and although we aren't willing to overpay unproven youngsters or splash silly cash to attract the prima-donna types like Tevez, we pay a significantly higher average wage.
 
I like the way he is often pictured with RVP, and how Robin put his arm round his shoulder on Saturday. What a mentor.
 
It's really hard not to be over excited by this guy. He looks to have the world at his feet, but I do think we're going to see plenty of average performances from him too. He's so young, it's going to take time for him to settle in as a first teamer and just adjust to everything that comes with that. The up side for him, is the players that play in his positions aren't exactly firing on all cylinders so he should get plenty of game time and allow himself to feel that he is where he should be. He doesn't seem short of confidence but it's got to be a big thing to get your name on the team sheet at 18 and feel like this is where you belong.

Lets hope he gets the contract signed, the number 7 shirt for next season and becomes a major player for us for the foreseeable future.
 
Nate Dogg said:
So is his father Albanian but how come he can play for Serbia/Croatia and Turkey-that is a bit of a mixbag.
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He won't play for Croatia and Serbia. In fact if someone suggests that he will play for Serbia is either completely ignorant or stupid. Don't have any idea about Turkey but I don't think that there is anything on it.

Anyway, his parents are Albanians from Kosovo. The problem isn't that straightforward to choose between the place where he was born and the native country because Kosovo isn't accepted in FIFA. Despite more than 90% of Kosovans are Albanians, still there are a few differences between them and the fact that they have been seperated for more than a century means that the culture and many other things are very different. For example the first time I went to Albania was when I was 16-17 years old, a few years after the Kosovo war. For more than a half of century it was forbidden for Kosovans to go from Yugoslavia in Albania and vice versa. So there are a few differences which makes things even more difficult. Although the most of Kosovans choose to play for Albania there are a few cases where they ahve opted for different countries (Valon Behrami for example). In other cases the Albanian FA has been that much corrupted that have asked for money to certain players in order to play for them so naturally they chose other countries (Granit Xhaka being the best example). And in some bizarre cases they haven't even made an offer at all (surprisingly Xherdan Shaqiri never received an offer to play for Albania despite he was willing to do so). Many of them have declared that if Kosovo gets accepted in FIFA/UEFA, they will play for Kosovo. (Shaqiri for example celebrated UCL victory with a flag of Kosovo while Xhaka when asked to sing a song in National team, he chose to sign the Albanian anthem).

I think that if Kosovo was in FIFA it would have been an easy choice for Adnan, but as it is things are much more difficult. It is entirely possible that he hasn't ever been to Albania. We'll see what happens, but I would be okay with him choosing whatever nation he choose. Probably will boo him if Albania ever plays Belgium and he is on their shirt though.
 
RexHamilton said:
It's really hard not to be over excited by this guy. He looks to have the world at his feet, but I do think we're going to see plenty of average performances from him too. He's so young, it's going to take time for him to settle in as a first teamer and just adjust to everything that comes with that. The up side for him, is the players that play in his positions aren't exactly firing on all cylinders so he should get plenty of game time and allow himself to feel that he is where he should be. He doesn't seem short of confidence but it's got to be a big thing to get your name on the team sheet at 18 and feel like this is where you belong.
Lets hope he gets the contract signed, the number 7 shirt for next season and becomes a major player for us for the foreseeable future.
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Number 11 . The 7 can stay for Ravel's return.
 
Yeah 11 would be perfect.

Although to be honest the whole Valencia thing has made me so paranoid (irrationally, yes) about the pressure that comes with the notable shirt numbers that I'd be happy if he keeps the 44 and we just leave the 7 be for a while.
 
Brightonian said:
Yep, and this is something that Fergie used to say all the time, (although unfortunately he wasn't always heard by the player). However impressive Juventus's footballing stature is at the moment, in financial terms in the 'long' run (8-10 years rather than 3-5) United is a far better option, even if Juve are offering higher wages. We have more financial clout, our players get massive global exposure, and although we aren't willing to overpay unproven youngsters or splash silly cash to attract the prima-donna types like Tevez, we pay a significantly higher average wage.
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Yep, it really is all there for him. If he is really ambitious and believes in his ability, he should see Ronaldo as a reference. With the United platform, he'll be driving Ferrari's in no time. He's also a good looking enough chap, and marketability shouldn't be an issue for him. We're still one of the few real glamour clubs out there.
 
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