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flappyjay said:
It's like how some people have convinced themselves the Rashford is more talented than Martial. Rashford will probably end up having a better career than the other two because he is more than willing to put in the work it takes
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Rashford is more talented than Januzaj. A level or two above him in fact. You can point back to Januzaj's debut season but it wasn't a patch on Rashford's and since then Rashford has only progressed while Januzaj has gone backwards. Weirdly though, the whole absence makes the player grow stronger phenomenon is very much alive in Januzaj's case.
 
Is Januzaj leaving to become a painter a decorator? Just wondering how else he'll reach that really high ceiling that was talked about so effusively a while back...


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Ixion said:
Rashford isn't as talented as Januzaj? :lol: Some people have a really warped idea of Januzaj's level. He's a Show Pony.
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This post is a bit delusional. Posting a laughing smiley as if that statement is outrageous is the real laughing matter here.
 
elmo said:
No he didn't. His performance was largely overrated due to how terrible the rest of the team was under Moyes and the glimpse of hope he gave to the fans meant everybody overlooked all his flaws and the fact that he did basically feck all despite all the praise.
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i was talking about when he was a kid in the youth set up when he looked really good tbh.
 
ti vu said:
I don't like the revisionism here like how Januzaj doesn't have the talent @Regulus Arcturus Black . And it's not like Januzaj has more talent than Rashford either like some other like to think.

Here is my take. Januzaj is clearly talented with the ball at his feet. He has good dribbling skill. Has vision for a pass & technique to weigh a good pass... You can say more than Rashford. However, people often mistake ability on ball with being superior talent. I will reference Cryuff's belief again that an individual player possess the ball for average of 3 minutes per games. Possession stats may improve since LVG pioneered the ultra possession style, but a player, especially those in attacking position deep in opposition's defense wouldn't have seen much improvement. So how the players do without having possession of the ball, how he participate in team tactic is also important. Rashford has that kind of talent, a kind of mental talent.

Januzaj seems to be a type of player who prefer to team to serve him. We did that in Moyes season and he's not too bad. LVG prefers a more stiff team play approach ( overboard). For a player to play a selfish kind of game, he has to be extreme talented to be worth it. Januzaj ain't that talented. Even the extreme talents had to learn. Here we heard plenty of account of Januzaj's attitude that he doesn't buckle down to learn. Ability to learn/ improve is also a type of talent. Then again, Rashford showed he again is more talented in this sense. So it's different than the narrative about being headless chicken. Learning here is to improve the understanding of the game. Rooney is an example I think is fit to use as he has both on ball talent & workrate, but lack the discipline & ability to learn properly. He was too reliant on his physicality & couldn't cope once his physicality decline.

Edit: SAF was quick to rate Ronaldo as having the talent to become a great very early in his career for us: 1. Talent with the ball 2. Mental talent to stay on track, putting work into his developement 3. Talent of learning. He can absorb his training, experience & continue to grow.
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Jeez, when did I last post in here @ti vu ? I think it was when some posters were calling me for saying we'd be lucky to get 10m for Adnan, and well, it appears I'm right.

Talent is intangible in my opinion and the only thing that matters is how you well you play for your team and how much of a mark you leave on games. Last season we had two perfect examples to look at in Pereira & Januzaj, both on loan at clubs that got relegated but one was often his team best player and brightest spark, the other ended the season on the bench after doing very little all season. That to me says Pereira is simply a better footballer, so who cares "about" some intangible degree of so called "talent", it means nothing.

Ronaldo had a damn site more to him than "talent" and willingness to learn/work hard, he left his mark on every game he played right from the start of his career. He made sure United signed him by being sensational in that friendly, his United debut from the bench lead to Rodney Marsh claiming on Sky Sports "if this boy doesn't become the best player in the World, I'll eat my hat". In his first cup final he won the game himself, etc etc.
 
PickledRed said:
Is Januzaj leaving to become a painter a decorator? Just wondering how else he'll reach that really high ceiling that was talked about so effusively a while back...


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A Liverpool fan mocking another team's fans for having unrealistic expectations of a young player? Lol
 
Antisocial said:
I don't care about a buy-back clause, but I'd insist on a sell-on clause just in case he manages to get his head together and make something of his career.
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This is a good point.
It is highly unlikely that we will re-sign outgoing players, but a sell-on clause is absolutely nailed on (the player will definitely move clubs in future) and it would be nice if we could get a cut of that.
 
kundalini said:
Don't agree at all. He wasn't overrated, nor were his flaws overlooked at the time. His performance away at Chelsea was at least as good as Luke Shaw's the following year.
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Luke Shaw is not the standard by which players should be judged.
Shaw's career at MUFC has been an absolute disaster. 10 good games in 3 seasons (or 2.25 seasons, if you allow for injury).
Anderson (the guy who at lots of fast food and required an oxygen tank to play) had more good games for MUFC, than Shaw has had for MUFC.

In any case, Januzaj is not good enough to play for MUFC, which is why Januzaj is on his way out.
 
kundalini said:
Don't agree at all. He wasn't overrated, nor were his flaws overlooked at the time. His performance away at Chelsea was at least as good as Luke Shaw's the following year.
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He was far less productive than Ronaldo in his debut season, but Ronaldo was given a reputation of being a one-trick pony who only did step-overs whereas Adnan was being hailed as the saviour of football and even the heavily biased English media was trying to work out if he could somehow play for England.
 
elmo said:
Far more impressive showings from other players at youth level who has also failed to make the step up required to play for us though.
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I don't know about that, he was the stand out in 12/13.
 
Pexbo said:
I don't know about that, he was the stand out in 12/13.
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The likes of Rossi, Ravel and Magnus dominated at the youths and reserves, but couldn't make it to the team due to a variety of reasons. Adnan wasn't the first, and he won't the last to look like a world class talent only to fail at the top levels of football.
 
He's not included in the squad for the pre-season tour. Looks like confirmation that he will be gone this summer
 
Adnan epitomizes the problems with young players today, too much too soon etc. He was absolutely amazing in 13/14, and people were rightly expecting him to reach the very top because he had everything. Unfortunately, he didn't work hard enough since signing his contract and conducted himself like a spoiled brat who've done it all. Countless reports of him being unprofessional and lazy.

Not the first nor the last to go down that route. Good luck to him but he'll only be a decent journeyman at best.
 
Mainoldo said:
Was Batistuta more talented than Crespo? In all essience what does it matter? You either make it or you don't. Rashford is on his way, Januzaj is a flop.
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Yeah, I don't really understand that post. Both Batistuta and Crespo were world class players.
 
Is Adnan technically still with United? Checked his Twitter, our Twitter, Real Sociedad website - all don't mention anything about him moving from United to Real Sociedad.
 
The club panicked in giving him that new contract. It was a year after Pogba went and we were sore from that and worried about the possibility of it happening again, with PSG lurking.

Not many were complaining at the time and I know I wasn't. It hasn't worked and over the last three years something has seriously gone wrong for him. Too much, too soon undoubtedly but hindsight is a great thing.

The clean break and permanent transfer, which will happen this summer, will do him good. It's up to him from there but the talent is there to have a good career. Whether the attitude and application is remains to be seen.
 
ricky-romeo said:
one thing that still baffles me was the start of the season that he went on loan to dortmund. adnan was starting something like 2/3 of our first 5 matches and scored the winning goal at villa park.

we all kind of expect him to kick start his united career then but van gaal got other idea of course. loaning him out.

cannot argue about his attitude though. if people like warren joyce criticised him for not working hard enough, then who we are to disagree. part of his style and game certainly didnt help either. he is more of a luxury/elegent looking player rather than a workhorse/hardman type of a player. can look super lazy when things did not come off or not working out.
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Pretty much agreed on all counts.

Januzaj needs to sort things out for himself now, it's a shame he couldn't kick 9n from his first season. Time is still on his side to make something out of his career but it won't be with us.
 
PickledRed said:
Is Januzaj leaving to become a painter a decorator? Just wondering how else he'll reach that really high ceiling that was talked about so effusively a while back...


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Remember the "better than Cristiano Ronaldo" Le Tallec? :smirk:
 
PickledRed said:
Is Januzaj leaving to become a painter a decorator? Just wondering how else he'll reach that really high ceiling that was talked about so effusively a while back...


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Coming from a Liverpool fan :lol:

What happen to wonder boy Jordan Ibe. Pathetic post btw.

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Robbie Boy said:
Coming from a Liverpool fan :lol:

What happen to wonder boy Jordan Ibe. Pathetic post btw.

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Hey you leave Ibe out of it, saw him as a 15 year old for my local boys Wycombe.
Isn't his fault he turned to the dark side of Liverpool ;)
 
Is he being sold or what? Thought a 9.7m deal had been agreed with Real S.
 
Wasn't even sure he was still with us and hadn't been sold, I thought he was sold a few weeks ago.
 
Won't get anywhere without dedication and hard work.

He may mature and work hard and surprise us all. He wasn't helped by being in a dire Sunderland team, but he should have worked harder and put in some much better performances.

His Dortmund loan could have worked out really well if he knuckled down.
 
Just another case of too much, too soon. The big contract, the no. 11 that he didn't deserve, or at least earned. Maybe he will flourish in different environment, different setup where there will be less pressure for him to perform.
 
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