Adnan Januzaj Exit Speculation

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NK86 said:
Yeah LVG really believed in his talent. Giving chances to a hapless Depay over Januzaj post December.

As for the attitude part, why are you ignoring the part after it where he said explicitly that a part of his seems to be in MU. Clearly shows to me that he wants to succeed here and missed being here, hence some of the issues.

As I said, it could show he is kinda soft but not that he felt he already made it. Nonetheless I am going to leave it at that because we will end up going in circles.
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Its clear that Tuchel's MAIN point was that Junuzaj lacked desire and the right attitude, the rest about him missing United is pointless, just Tu and I don't see how you can try and spin a positive out of that when the player himself asked for the loan move against the advice of LVG. His attitude was poor, period. He was unprofessional period. I hope he gets to stay, work his ass off and impress Mourinho but we'll find out soon enough. At this point I don't care if he stays or goes really. He hasn't shown anything in two seasons
 
I have yet to see much that is very special about Januzaj. He has good feet and technique and he showed a lot of mental composure to play as he did during the Moyes season at the age he was at that point. But he isn't the kind of explosive athlete or dynamic dribbler that is really a menace on the wing nor has he ever shown (yet) the passing, creativity, and instincts for operating between the lines that are the hallmarks of a top level 10 or second striker.

Most top clubs have a few young players like this in their reserve team, guys with the technique and skill to keep climbing toward the first team but who struggle to impact games as the competition gets better and requires a more fully developed skill set. Most of them don't amount to much. I wouldn't rule out the possibility of Januzaj turning his career around but I don't think it will happen at United under Mourinho.
 
I honestly can't believe that Memphis, Young and Lingard are preferred over Januzaj. Ah well, guess people see something really special in those 3 flops.
 
Shamshi said:
I honestly can't believe that Memphis, Young and Lingard are preferred over Januzaj. Ah well, guess people see something really special in those 3 flops.
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Given it's four (very different) managers that have shown almost no faith in Januzaj in the last 2 seasons, I'd suggest there's probably good reason for it.
 
Shamshi said:
I honestly can't believe that Memphis, Young and Lingard are preferred over Januzaj. Ah well, guess people see something really special in those 3 flops.
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I'd agree about Memphis but Young kept record signee Di Maria on the bench, while Lingard works his ass off on the pitch and won you your first significant piece of silverware post Ferguson. Januzaj was relevant for a four month spell during United's worst year in ages. It's really not that hard to prefer both over the Januzaj.
 
Brwned said:
Given it's four (very different) managers that have shown almost no faith in Januzaj in the last 2 seasons, I'd suggest there's probably good reason for it.
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I get the mancrush over Schweini, Zlatan or even Kagawa and Herrera. Januzaj has proved so little in his career so far, where do people find this amount of faith in him?
 
Powderfinger said:
I have yet to see much that is very special about Januzaj. He has good feet and technique and he showed a lot of mental composure to play as he did during the Moyes season at the age he was at that point. But he isn't the kind of explosive athlete or dynamic dribbler that is really a menace on the wing nor has he ever shown (yet) the passing, creativity, and instincts for operating between the lines that are the hallmarks of a top level 10 or second striker.

Most top clubs have a few young players like this in their reserve team, guys with the technique and skill to keep climbing toward the first team but who struggle to impact games as the competition gets better and requires a more fully developed skill set. Most of them don't amount to much. I wouldn't rule out the possibility of Januzaj turning his career around but I don't think it will happen at United under Mourinho.
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Yet you have people talking about our Januzaj here as an "amazing" talent lol! Based on what ? A few games ? Cor blimey... Chadwick had some amazing game for us and what a legend he turned out to be.
 
Scuttler said:
Yet you have people talking about our Januzaj here as an "amazing" talent lol! Based on what ? A few games ? Cor blimey... Chadwick had some amazing game for us and what a legend he turned out to be.
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Based on what they saw. Development isn't a straight trajectory, highly talented kids don't pan out all the time due to a variety of factors. It seems like his debut season and the #11 shirt went to his head. Doesn't necessarily make him a lost cause.
 
NK86 said:
Yeah not homesick but the fact that he missed United. That is being pedantic as people are taking the liberty of assuming Tuchel meant he had a poor attitude from that.

Di Maria didn't want to be here, but has never had attitude complaints from any other team. Although Januzaj himself chose Dortmund, but then his preference was to stay which didn't materialize.
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I don't think it's pedantic frankly. He seems to be indirectly saying we have a way here but he wasn't ready to adapt ours instead clinging onto ways at United. However at United he was hardly making an impact as well. Not to mention the part where tuchel says he doesn't have the desire to succeed which a youngster should have.

In short tuchel is saying when the going got tough he gave up. Which is even more disappointing because it's a loan which he himself wanted against the wishes of our club.
 
Maybe he's a bit of David Bentley type of player, in that he can do some good things, but the overall package just isn't what is required at the top clubs.

He's not one I expect us to regret selling, but I hope we can muster more than £10 m for him.
 
Scuttler said:
Yet you have people talking about our Januzaj here as an "amazing" talent lol! Based on what ? A few games ? Cor blimey... Chadwick had some amazing game for us and what a legend he turned out to be.
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Talent is talent. Just because Ravel turned out a bust, doesn't mean he wasn't more talented than loads of players. Januzaj was just under him. He was hyped up before he played for the first team because the skills he possesses and the performances he showed for the youth team warranted it.
 
There maybe still time for him to turn things around if he gets his head down. Hopefully he's not a lost cause yet if he can get a decent loan somewhere.
 
Young and Lingard will always be more successful than Januzaj because they actually want it more and know it needs to be earned. Problem with Adnan is, since that breakthrough season he's seemed to act like the club owes him game time. It's a horrible example of a youth team player getting above his stations far too quickly. Maybe if he'd left for PSG he'd in a similar situation to Pogba now though, but I doubt it very much.
 
Scholesy said:
Gary Neville said he woudl be one of the world's best players in a few years time.

This will be a mistake. Should be given a run of games.
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He should have signed him when he was manager of Valencia.
 
He'll never be one of the world's best players, not even close. He's a massively overrated player who not even Van Gaal was interested in, and that's a manager who gave opportunities to every kid. If Janujaz was at any other club no one on here would want to sign him. He wasn't even that good during Moyes' season and that one season is basically where all the overrating comes from. He scored two against Sunderland and done very little else thereafter.

Despite the shortcomings of Lingard and Fellaini, at least they work hard. Not Janujaz though. Every opportunity was given for him to make it at United, but he's failed miserably. Good riddance to him.
 
Shamshi said:
I honestly can't believe that Memphis, Young and Lingard are preferred over Januzaj. Ah well, guess people see something really special in those 3 flops.
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WTF? Memphis has been at the club one season - will not be the last player to have a poor first season in PL. Young as performed good and bad over the years but his contribution I would say has been better than AJ whenever he has played. As for Lingard - how can you call an academy product a flop after some of his performances and goals last season? I'd love to know what AJ has done in your eyes that makes him a better player to keep than any of those 3? AJ can't get a game at United when others are not performing tells you everything you need to know about how good he is - and it's not just one manager either. It's nothing about managers seeing something 'really special in those 3 flops' (cringe) but actually seeing players committed and willing to put a shift in I'd guess. AJ is nothing special at all.
 
Loublaze said:
Thats a direct quote from Tuchel and he specifically mentions desire and attitude, or are we just going to ignore that and come up with our own conclusions? Januzaj missing United while at Dortmund on loan doesn't mean anything but shows his lack of professionalism and poor, yes you guessed it, attitude as Tuchel stated. Let's not forget it was Januzaj who asked for the loan move. LVG advised him against it.
"I believe in the talent of Adnan Januzaj. I have said this previously. I also previewed that it shall be very difficult to play matches in Dortmund and, unfortunately, I was right."
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It's pretty clear we should never loan Dortmund another player. It's shockingly unprofessional for a coach to say things like that. To make such a song and dance about it. I guess he thinks there's no blowback against him because Januzaj isn't one of his players.
 
I've never got Januzaj to be honest, I could see the fuss about Ravel and Pogba they really looked a step above.

Adnan, to me anyway, always seemed to be step overs and nothing final, he doesn't have that turn of speed to get away.

Sorry but I won't miss him.
Young has earned his place, I'm afraid Januzaj has done nothing to deserve it in my opinion.
 
I'm fascinated by this bad attitude discussion, because, arguably, you could say the same for every young football player. Here is post in MEN from last November:
Januzaj made 35 appearances in his debut season. It was down to 18 under Louis van Gaal the following year. And despite starting four of United’s first five games this season, and scoring the winner against Aston Villa, he was loaned to Borussia Dortmund on deadline day.

“Our first impression of Adnan is good,” said Dortmund coach Thomas Tuchel soon afterwards. “He’s a very exciting, creative player but (1) it will still take time for him to get used to us, to the defensive work and the training intensity too.”

But judging by how little Januzaj has played since it seems Tuchel is still waiting. He’s lost his place in the Belgium squad for friendlies against Italy and Spain. And if his situation doesn’t improve it’s likely he’ll miss out on a place in the squad for the European Championship next summer.

It seems a long time since Belgium coach Marc Wilmotts suggested Januzaj’s move to the Bundesliga could be as significant as Kevin de Bruyne’s move from Chelsea to Wolfsburg. “The step back from Chelsea to Wolfsburg worked wonders for Kevin de Bruyne,” he said. “I am convinced that Adnan’s decision to join Dortmund on loan for one season is the right one. It will help him make the next step. “Januzaj can enjoy a similar development to De Bruyne.”

So far, it’s not worked out like that.

Tuchel has usually played Januzaj on the left wing or in central midfield but (2) he’s hasn’t been able to leapfrog the likes of Marco Reus, Shinji Kagawa and Ilkay Gundogan (and Mhiki) in the pecking order. There have also been (3) suggestions in Germany that Januzaj wasn't in the right physical shape when he arrived and is only just catching up. On top of that (4) he's trying to break into a team that’s playing well – Dortmund are second in the Bundesliga having lost once all season.

But there are other factors, too, according to Bild journalist Moritz Leihkamm. “He doesn’t play a big role in Tuchel’s team,” said Leihkamm. “The main reason that he is not playing is that (5) Tuchel finds him too slow.” Being slow to move the ball is a criticism that’s also been aimed at Van Gaal’s United.
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This attitude thing is a bit overblown, he's always come across as a very shy, humble kid in the youth, people on here make him out to be a Ravel MK II headcase. He probably needs to work harder on his game ever since his big contract but he's pretty fecking far removed from some type of negative influence.

Would love it, L.O.V.E. it, if he could go away and get regular games and show the ability he has, because personally think he' s a very talented young man.
 
Mark Pawelek said:
I'm fascinated by this bad attitude discussion, because, arguably, you could say the same for every young football player. Here is post in MEN from last November:
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He also said:

I never had the feeling Adnan was here with his whole heart, but rather that a part of him stayed in Manchester and compared everything with Man United," the Dortmund coach told Sport Bild. We were not able to help him let go of it. Sadly, he wasn't in it with the motivation and attitude you need to further yourself at this age.
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http://www.espnfc.com/english-premi...j-lacked-motivation-at-dortmund-thomas-tuchel

You've also had quotes from Belgian youth coach questioning his attitude. Since you're fastcinated by this discussion, I wonder, what, in your opinion, is the reason for Januzaj's downfall?
 
Kostur said:
He also said:



http://www.espnfc.com/english-premi...j-lacked-motivation-at-dortmund-thomas-tuchel

You've also had quotes from Belgian youth coach questioning his attitude. Since you're fastcinated by this discussion, I wonder, what, in your opinion, is the reason for Januzaj's downfall?
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downfall : he was never a star. He's 21. He still has weaknesses in his game as noted:
  • Not super fast,
  • Lacks balance when dribbling at speed. Great to see him working on his balance in the summer.
  • Not great at holding onto the ball, because he gets knocked about too easily
  • Accused of lacking "discipline", but many young players do. e.g. Bailly's yellow card record prior to last March was shocking. Yet we bought him for £30m
  • His defensive contribution must be improved. e.g. not harassing his opponent enough. Many attacking players are like that.
 
What do people think about the reports he refused to kit out with the reserves. Serious primadonna if true, time to get rid if you ask me, hes another Ballotelli.
 
What ‘speculation’? Maybe the title of the thread should be changed. Januzaj's out of the door ever since United got back from China, not even training with the first team since then... The only thing to decide is if he's going on loan or sold (with or without buyback clause). The Sunderland option would be the best, I think.
 
soapythecat said:
WTF? Memphis has been at the club one season - will not be the last player to have a poor first season in PL. Young as performed good and bad over the years but his contribution I would say has been better than AJ whenever he has played. As for Lingard - how can you call an academy product a flop after some of his performances and goals last season? I'd love to know what AJ has done in your eyes that makes him a better player to keep than any of those 3? AJ can't get a game at United when others are not performing tells you everything you need to know about how good he is - and it's not just one manager either. It's nothing about managers seeing something 'really special in those 3 flops' (cringe) but actually seeing players committed and willing to put a shift in I'd guess. AJ is nothing special at all.
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Yeah, guess I am being way too harsh and overreacting on the players especially Young. Going to have to wait to see how the other 2 do for a few seasons before writing them off (calling them flops). In regards to AJ, I still think he has potential but that doesn't matter as he's not part of Jose's plans. Could be for the best, only time will tell.
 
We have room in the squad for Lingard, and I don't see why Januzaj can't be better than Lingard is. Lingard has done pretty well but Januzaj has more ability and plays in the same positions, it's just annoying that he can't put it together and that he won't be given the game time to do so. He probably needs a loan or even a permanent move, and I expect him to do well wherever he goes
 
Ibi Dreams said:
We have room in the squad for Lingard, and I don't see why Januzaj can't be better than Lingard is. Lingard has done pretty well but Januzaj has more ability and plays in the same positions, it's just annoying that he can't put it together and that he won't be given the game time to do so. He probably needs a loan or even a permanent move, and I expect him to do well wherever he goes
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He needs a good loan move, not a shite one. Then make a permanent decision.
 
I say that we keep Januzaj cause he would provide competition to Lingard and Young, leading to the development of all 3 players.
 
elmo said:
Vastly overrated because he was the only bright spark under Moyes.
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He was making PL defenders look like fools as a teenager. I think the reputations of players like Fellaini and Adnan suffer unfairly to some extent just because they are attached to his regime.
 
Organic Potatoes said:
He was making PL defenders look like fools as a teenager. I think the reputations of players like Fellaini and Adnan suffer unfairly to some extent just because they are attached to his regime.
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But once they wised up to his tricks, he's looking like a petulant young player who does feck all on the pitch. He needs a kick up his arse if he wants to live up to his potential
 
Ibi Dreams said:
We have room in the squad for Lingard, and I don't see why Januzaj can't be better than Lingard is. Lingard has done pretty well but Januzaj has more ability and plays in the same positions, it's just annoying that he can't put it together and that he won't be given the game time to do so. He probably needs a loan or even a permanent move, and I expect him to do well wherever he goes
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Which is why a move away would do wonders for his career. We as a club are at a stage where we can't afford to give him the time on the pitch he needs to get his career on track and the more he doesn't get the deeper he goes down as a wasted talent. When we sell him we do need to insert a buyback and sell on clause so sell him on the cheap and Mourinho needs to explain to him his decision to smooth out any bitterness which could come in the way of his return should he ever amount to anything worth going after.
 
We treat Januzaj in a similar way that Liverpool treat their young players and we slag them off for it. The guy has done nothing except show a few bits of skill here and there. Let's get rid.
 
Mark Pawelek said:
It's pretty clear we should never loan Dortmund another player. It's shockingly unprofessional for a coach to say things like that. To make such a song and dance about it. I guess he thinks there's no blowback against him because Januzaj isn't one of his players.
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I don't get why the player is allowed to pick his own loan club. Especially when that player is only 20.

The manager/club should be taking that decision. Not leaving it to an inexperienced kid.
 
elmo said:
But once they wised up to his tricks, he's looking like a petulant young player who does feck all on the pitch. He needs a kick up his arse if he wants to live up to his potential
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Wised up to his tricks? That's almost as tired a critique as he's not physical enough for the Prem.

I do fully agree with the last sentence though.
 
Didn't Rio claim Adnan cried when left out of the match day squad during the Moyes season?

If the rumours of his refusal to change with the reserves are true, I would want him gone ASAP. I've never been a big fan anyway, but given his poor attitude, I wouldn't expect Jose to hold on to him.
 
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