We could have this argument about Jordan Ibe if we wanted! The spark wasn't that bright.
So you blame him for not wanting to develop under LVG who was playing him all over the park and didn't really care for his instinctive free flowing style of play?
And yeah, you need to make good of your chances. That is why Depay was getting selected ahead of Januzaj last season right?
Also, I don't think Van Gaal had a personal Vandetta but didn't like his style of play.
He can choose to develop under whoever he wants. That's his right. However, then the argument that he was a victim at Dortmund as tuchel didn't care about his development doesn't hold any place as it was something he chose personally.
If Van gaal didn't like his style of play, then what's the reason he wasn't successful at Dortmund under a more 'tactically attacking manager'? Even the games he played there he was average at best. Tuchel didn't like his style too?
Depay was shit and was benched post Christmas. He rarely started other than the odd Europa game and games where we had our first choice missing. He was actually decent in those sub games and even had a few good games like Arsenal and midtjylland games. You could argue that januzaj could have played there but the fact that LvG preferred lingard and depay over him shows he isn't actually pushing for a place like he is expected to?
First of all, your bold part is exactly what I don't get. A manager not playing a player when he deserves to play just proves he doesn't deserve to play because the manager isn't playing him? Last season, there was no justification to why Depay started over Januzaj after christmas but the was the case.
Dortmund was a mistake. A 20 year old boy can easily make a wrong judgement call like that but who do you trust, a new team/coach at dortmund or a guy who clearly doesn't rate you. It's not like Januzaj is the only player of quality Van Gaal didn't fancy.
This whole "he can't get a game" argument is over my head to be honest.
I'm in the 1% then! Although I don't believe it would be 1%. Januzaj? Get rid - no doubt whatsoever. Buy back clause!? Forget it. Good riddance.Has never been given a run of games after Moyes left. He was superb under Moyes.
Will be another mistake just like Pogba.
99% of fans would prefer him to start over Young but Young has just been given a new contract, we deserve to fail
All he did was score 2 vs sunderland guys.He's not very good. Yeah he scored 2 against Sunderland under David Moyes, big deal. Macheda scored a better and more important goal and he didn't make it here either. Other than having a reputation for diving and bad attitude; what has this kid actually done to merit a place in our squad?
Has never been given a run of games after Moyes left. He was superb under Moyes.
Will be another mistake just like Pogba.
99% of fans would prefer him to start over Young but Young has just been given a new contract, we deserve to fail
First of all, your bold part is exactly what I don't get. A manager not playing a player when he deserves to play just proves he doesn't deserve to play because the manager isn't playing him? Last season, there was no justification to why Depay started over Januzaj after christmas but the was the case.
Dortmund was a mistake. A 20 year old boy can easily make a wrong judgement call like that but who do you trust, a new team/coach at dortmund or a guy who clearly doesn't rate you. It's not like Januzaj is the only player of quality Van Gaal didn't fancy.
This whole "he can't get a game" argument is over my head to be honest.
Because every coach he's worked under for the past few years said he has a bad attitude.Whats with everyone jumping on this he's got a bad attitude? He seems a good kid. He had stardom thrust on him at 18 and the worst story we heard was that attention seeker complaining he took her to Nandos. When his contract was coming up, he played no games and didn't act like a superstar and signed the deal. He's worked on his body which shows he's looking to make himself better which is a far cry from the story of the arrogant kid who thinks he's made it already.
Tuchel said he felt homesick. Who else? Was it Wilmots or anyone else?Because every coach he's worked under for the past few years said he has a bad attitude.
Where is all this bad attitude thing coming from? I am yet to see a direct quote from a manager he has worked under who has said his attitude is poor.He's not very good. Yeah he scored 2 against Sunderland under David Moyes, big deal. Macheda scored a better and more important goal and he didn't make it here either. Other than having a reputation for diving and bad attitude; what has this kid actually done to merit a place in our squad?
Let us be honest. Depay was diabolical and yet got plenty of sub appearances despite stinking up the place plenty of times. Neither Pereiria nor Januzaj were given chances after than U21 game where they were rumored to have been taking shots from corners and some such silly stuff. You think Depay deserved more chances than either of these two?You know this how? Yeah Depay was not great, but do any of us have any idea at all what Januzaj was showing in training? Was he great? good? awful?
How many games did Memphis start for us last season? I see 27 out of what 55 or 56 games. How many of those were in the 2nd half of the season after Adnan came back?
Where is all this bad attitude thing coming from? I am yet to see a direct quote from a manager he has worked under who has said his attitude is poor.
As for diving, yeah like he is the only one who is doing it. FWIW, he has already cut out a lot of it already.
He is a good talent and although initially overrated, he has the tools to succeed here. Wish we could give him a proper loan spell or if we sell then insert a deceny buyback clause. We should not be looking to cut ties off when he is still so young.
The Dortmund boss told Sportbild: 'It is a pity he did not show the desire and attitude you need to progress at his age.
'My feeling was that he never was completely with us, that a part of him always stayed in Manchester and he compared everything here with United.
'We were not able to help him to shake that off.'
Belgium U21 head coach Enzo Scifo is said to have questioned Januzaj's attitude after he turned down the opportunity to link up with the squad last week.
"A 20-year-old player who gives this impression of non-motivation, it reflects a poor state of mind."
Tuchel said he felt homesick. Who else? Was it Wilmots or anyone else?
I never had the feeling Adnan was here with his whole heart, but rather that a part of him stayed in Manchester and compared everything with Man United. We were not able to help him let go of it. Sadly, he wasn't in it with the motivation and attitude you need to further yourself at this age.
Tuchel clearly mentioned he missed United. Di Maria was given a lot of flak for a poor attitude - which I admit he showed for us - but the circumstances were that he didn't want to be here in the first place. Similarly Adnan wanted to remain at United and sometimes a player just misses his own team and team mates. Don't see that as poor attitude personally. Maybe a bit soft but not poor attitude.Van Gaal didn't play him and Mourinho apparently wants rid. Isn't it odd that the only manager who had/has his back is Moyes?
Yeah not homesick but the fact that he missed United. That is being pedantic as people are taking the liberty of assuming Tuchel meant he had a poor attitude from that.http://www.espn.in/football/manches...j-lacked-motivation-at-dortmund-thomas-tuchel
He didn't say he was homesick. Basically he didn't adapt to Dortmund style.
Yeah not homesick but the fact that he missed United. That is being pedantic as people are taking the liberty of assuming Tuchel meant he had a poor attitude from that.
Di Maria didn't want to be here, but has never had attitude complaints from any other team. Although Januzaj himself chose Dortmund, but then his preference was to stay which didn't materialize.
He compared everything to United. That part clearly indicates he missed being at United and not that his attitude was poor because he thought he made it. Maybe he simply missed being a part of United's set up.It does mean he had a poor attitude though. What are people supposed to take from the following:
"It is a pity he did not show the desire and attitude you need to progress at his age," the BVB boss said to Sportbild
"My feeling was that he never was completely with us, that a part of him always stayed in Manchester and he compared everything here with United.
"We were not able to help him to shake that off. They are coming to us to ask for a second chance."
The kid thinks he's made it already
He compared everything to United. That part clearly indicates he missed being at United and not that his attitude was poor because he thought he made it. Maybe he simply missed being a part of United's set up.
Why are people directly referring the poor attitude meaning as he has already made it when Tuchel also mentioned that a part of him remained at United.
I can understand people saying him being a bit soft but not that he felt like a superstar and thus didn't try.
He's going to be a brilliant player in a few years. Even if his attitude is a bit shit, I'd seriously be questioning the decision if we cut a 21 year player loose. If we put a buy back or something similar in then fair enough but if it was a straight sale, I could see us looking very stupid in the future.
Yeah LVG really believed in his talent. Giving chances to a hapless Depay over Januzaj post December.Thats a direct quote from Tuchel and he specifically mentions desire and attitude, or are we just going to ignore that and come up with our own conclusions? Januzaj missing United while at Dortmund on loan doesn't mean anything but shows his lack of professionalism and poor, yes you guessed it, attitude as Tuchel stated. Let's not forget it was Januzaj who asked for the loan move. LVG advised him against it.
"I believe in the talent of Adnan Januzaj. I have said this previously. I also previewed that it shall be very difficult to play matches in Dortmund and, unfortunately, I was right."
