Adnan Januzaj Exit Speculation

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Devil81 said:
We'd be lucky to get 10m in my opinion.
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That's terrifying. I can't believe we continue to do business like that. I'd rather keep him in the reserves than give him away for money like that. Especially when we're forced to give billions and billions of euro for any third rated anybody. Just look at the Blind and Bebe deals. Outrageous.
 
Successful said:
That's terrifying. I can't believe we continue to do business like that. I'd rather keep him in the reserves than give him away for money like that. Especially when we're forced to give billions and billions of euro for any third rated anybody. Just look at the Blind and Bebe deals. Outrageous.
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Blind is arguably the best deal we had in ages and that's outrageous?
 
If we sell for that cheap we definitely need an equally cheap buy-back clause inserted.
 
I don't see how we could command any decent sort of fee for him, he's basically done nothing for a couple of seasons.
 
Successful said:
That's terrifying. I can't believe we continue to do business like that. I'd rather keep him in the reserves than give him away for money like that. Especially when we're forced to give billions and billions of euro for any third rated anybody. Just look at the Blind and Bebe deals. Outrageous.
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for 16 million Blind looks like a bargain now........Blind like the wind
 
Successful said:
I would like to discuss numbers. Any opinions on a transfer fee for Janu? Is 25m euro too steep?
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He has done nothing in his career, so 25m is obviously steep. The same player in Germany or Spain will go for 4m-5m.
 
If he looked more like a brute and less like a butter wouldn't melt child maybe people would take the claims of him being an arrogant pillock with a poor attitude more seriously.
 
Lingard is significantly better than Januzaj, even his season last year was better than Januzaj's 13/14 in terms of actual output. Januzaj is probably one of the most gifted and talented players in our squad, but there's so much more to it.
 
Sammyjunn said:
Lingard is significantly better than Januzaj, even his season last year was better than Januzaj's 13/14 in terms of actual output. Januzaj is probably one of the most gifted and talented players in our squad, but there's so much more to it.
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About half of the players in the squad are more talented/gifted. And the squad still isn't even top notch.
 
At this point I can't even remember if he's any good, its genuinely been that long since his little successful period. He's managed to build quite the fanbase off of it though, fair play.
 
Speak said:
About half of the players in the squad are more talented/gifted. And the squad still isn't even top notch.
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I dont agree, I do honestly think that in terms of natural ability, skill, basic technique, vision, football brain etc , he's one of the more gifted and talented in our squad, but then that's just a little part of the whole package.
 
Sammyjunn said:
Lingard is significantly better than Januzaj, even his season last year was better than Januzaj's 13/14 in terms of actual output. Januzaj is probably one of the most gifted and talented players in our squad, but there's so much more to it.
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He's no where near one of the most talented players in our squad. Where on earth have these sort of opinions come from? I see a lot of people on this forum claiming he's hugely talented but tbh I've never seen anything other than a young lad who's decent for his age.
 
AndyJ1985 said:
He's no where near one of the most talented players in our squad. Where on earth have these sort of opinions come from? I see a lot of people on this forum claiming he's hugely talented but tbh I've never seen anything other than a young lad who's decent for his age.
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Because I've followed him since his arrival pretty much, I dont think he'll ever become a world beater or even a top player because he doesnt fit any position and his attitude is meh, but he's very gifted and talented on the ball, more than most players in our squad. Apart from Zlatan, Mata, Martial, Blind, Carrick and Mikitaryan, we have a lot limited players on the ball imo with quite poor basic technique.
 
Successful said:
That's terrifying. I can't believe we continue to do business like that. I'd rather keep him in the reserves than give him away for money like that. Especially when we're forced to give billions and billions of euro for any third rated anybody. Just look at the Blind and Bebe deals. Outrageous.
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In Jose's first big presser he said any player not in the core squad (grown to 26 now) will be allowed a transfer away because he does not believe in keeping players against their will. United are forced to sell him if he wants to leave.
 
Chelsea just sold some nobody for £8m, and Liverpool sold Ibe for £15m. Asking £20m for Janujaz sounds reasonable to me.
 
Sammyjunn said:
I dont agree, I do honestly think that in terms of natural ability, skill, basic technique, vision, football brain etc , he's one of the more gifted and talented in our squad, but then that's just a little part of the whole package.
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If only he had the drive of someone like Blind, we d be golden. Of course a lot of what we my think he s like is fed to us by the press, but if there is a sliver of truth to it I hope that he finds the right attitude . I guess it must be difficult to be seen as one of the Golden boys of the Academy only to be mostly a bench player at best... but he got a lot of chances to prove himself.
 
AndyJ1985 said:
Chelsea just sold some nobody for £8m, and Liverpool sold Ibe for £15m. Asking £20m for Janujaz sounds reasonable to me.
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You can ask for £20m but nobody will pay it.
 
AndyJ1985 said:
He's no where near one of the most talented players in our squad. Where on earth have these sort of opinions come from? I see a lot of people on this forum claiming he's hugely talented but tbh I've never seen anything other than a young lad who's decent for his age.
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AndyJ1985 said:
Chelsea just sold some nobody for £8m, and Liverpool sold Ibe for £15m. Asking £20m for Janujaz sounds reasonable to me.
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Go on. Square the circle for me. How does your 2nd statement follow on from your 1st?

PS: The player Chelsea just sold: Papy Djilobodji is a 27 year old central defender, bought from Nantes last year for £3m, who did well for Werder Bremen on loan last season. A seasoned pro. Even though he still hasn't figured out how to pass a ball aged 27, he's a useful "park the bus" defender. Just what PL managers are crying out for.
 
Sarni said:
You can ask for £20m but nobody will pay it.
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If someone's willing to pay £15m for Ibe we'd be idiotic to sell Januzaj for less. Unless he's desperate to leave England.
 
Brwned said:
If someone's willing to pay £15m for Ibe we'd be idiotic to sell Januzaj for less. Unless he's desperate to leave England.
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You're off your rocker. Ibe has had 2 consistent seasons in the last 2 years and is only 20. Januzaj has done nothing apart from half a season 3 years ago.
 
The report today that Adnan is petulant about not changing with the squad whilst Schweinsteiger is behaving like the model professional and not whingeing about it tells us a lot about his attitude if true. I do wonder if he stood out so much under Moyes because the rest of the squad were so awful.
 
15m sounds about right. Or 10m with a buyback option for the next few years.
 
Brwned said:
If someone's willing to pay £15m for Ibe we'd be idiotic to sell Januzaj for less. Unless he's desperate to leave England.
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Ibe has been playing for the last two seasons though. Had 41 appearances for Liverpool last season and was a star for Derby the season before. Even though I don't think he's a top talent and Bournemouth overpaid, he's done more than Januzaj.
 
Dion said:
You're off your rocker. Ibe has had 2 consistent seasons in the last 2 years and is only 20. Januzaj has done nothing apart from half a season 3 years ago.
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Ibe's biggest achievement is being a useful squad player for a midtable PL team and he hardly shone in the Championship. Januzaj's clearly matched that in his short, stop-start career.
 
Brwned said:
Given it's four (very different) managers that have shown almost no faith in Januzaj in the last 2 seasons, I'd suggest there's probably good reason for it.
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AndyJ1985 said:
He needs to get away from here? No, we need to get rid of him.
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@Brwned, @AndyJ1985 : What's going on guys? How can he be worthless and worth >= £15m at the sametime?

Two years ago, United sold Michael Keane for £2m, who was always quite highly rated playing for the reserves. Jordon Ibe is someone, not no one: Bournemouth's Eddie Howe says Jordon Ibe should target England.
 
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Brwned said:
Ibe's biggest achievement is being a useful squad player for a midtable PL team and he hardly shone in the Championship. Januzaj's clearly matched that in his short, stop-start career.
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Except he hasn't, he's never managed to be a consistent fixture in a side in 3 years. There's a reason for that. Januzaj has a higher ceiling but he's a massive gamble, Ibe isn't. Ibe is going to be a good solid squad player who can cover multiple positions and do a job defensively, with an outside shot of being better than that. More importantly he's going to be available all the time. None of the applies to Januzaj who right now is a technical player without the physicality to play wide and the understanding to play centrally.
 
elmo said:
But once they wised up to his tricks, he's looking like a petulant young player who does feck all on the pitch. He needs a kick up his arse if he wants to live up to his potential
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That's a good point. He exploded onto the scene and then the league adjusted to him and he wasn't able to adapt his game, at least not yet.
 
Sammyjunn said:
Lingard is significantly better than Januzaj, even his season last year was better than Januzaj's 13/14 in terms of actual output. Januzaj is probably one of the most gifted and talented players in our squad, but there's so much more to it.
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Lingard scored 6 goals and got 4 assists in over 1000 more mins playing time than Januzaj did to register 4 goals and 6 assists. So in terms of actual output your statement is incorrect. Lingard's output was significantly worse. Even if you ignore assists, Lingard's stats still aren't superior. Considering just PL stats, Januzaj also superior with 4 goals and 4 assists in 1,640 mins compared to 4 goals and 1 assist for Lingard in 1,634 mins. In terms of chances created, Januzaj 1.69 per 90 mins compared to 0.77 for Lingard.

Januzaj's 2013/4 was even better than Mata's 2015/6 in terms of goals and assists per 90 mins playing time in the PL. Also in terms of chances created. Similarly, Adnan's 2013/4 was better than Ashley Young's 2014/5 in terms of goals + assists per 90 mins, and chances created. And miles better than Memphis' 2015/6.

And for what it's worth, Januzaj's 2013/4 PL stats are far superior to Jordan Ibe's 2015/6 figures.
 
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kundalini said:
Lingard score 6 goals and got 4 assists in over 1000 more mins playing time than Januzaj did to register 4 goals and 6 assists. So in terms of actual output your statement is incorrect. Lingard's output was significantly worse. Even if you ignore assists, Lingard's stats still aren't superior.
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I'm coming in at the end of this debate, so not sure where this fits in; but not a massive fan of stats. Lingard brings so much more to the pitch than goals and assists. His work rate is phenomenal. It's easy to see why successive managers have loved him. He's the type of player that lets other players play. His tireless running off the ball is wonderful.
 
kundalini said:
Lingard scored 6 goals and got 4 assists in over 1000 more mins playing time than Januzaj did to register 4 goals and 6 assists. So in terms of actual output your statement is incorrect. Lingard's output was significantly worse. Even if you ignore assists, Lingard's stats still aren't superior. Considering just PL stats, Januzaj also superior with 4 goals and 4 assists in 1,640 mins compared to 4 goals and 1 assist for Lingard in 1,634 mins. In terms of chances created, Januzaj 1.69 per 90 mins compared to 0.77 for Lingard.

Januzaj's 2013/4 was even better than Mata's 2015/6 in terms of goals and assists per 90 mins playing time in the PL. Also in terms of chances created. Similarly, Adnan's 2013/4 was better than Ashley Young's 2014/5 in terms of goals + assists per 90 mins, and chances created. And miles better than Memphis' 2015/6.

And for what it's worth, Januzaj's 2013/4 PL stats are far superior to Jordan Ibe's 2015/6 figures.
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If we were to judge players on their stats, then we'd have to all agree Nani is one of the best players to ever grace the Premier League.
 
A season long loan to a Prem club where he'll actually get games is the solution.
 
kundalini said:
Lingard scored 6 goals and got 4 assists in over 1000 more mins playing time than Januzaj did to register 4 goals and 6 assists. So in terms of actual output your statement is incorrect. Lingard's output was significantly worse. Even if you ignore assists, Lingard's stats still aren't superior. Considering just PL stats, Januzaj also superior with 4 goals and 4 assists in 1,640 mins compared to 4 goals and 1 assist for Lingard in 1,634 mins. In terms of chances created, Januzaj 1.69 per 90 mins compared to 0.77 for Lingard.

Januzaj's 2013/4 was even better than Mata's 2015/6 in terms of goals and assists per 90 mins playing time in the PL. Also in terms of chances created. Similarly, Adnan's 2013/4 was better than Ashley Young's 2014/5 in terms of goals + assists per 90 mins, and chances created. And miles better than Memphis' 2015/6.

And for what it's worth, Januzaj's 2013/4 PL stats are far superior to Jordan Ibe's 2015/6 figures.
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Well, januzaj s goal were vs Sunderland Newcastle and all. He was not of any use in the big games. Lingard scored in FA cup final community shield and vs Chelsea with excellent performances vs Arsenal and city.
 
I really don't understand the gnashing of teeth here.

He has done nothing, zero, zip for over two years. Lvg obviously didn't like him, despite playing youngsters left right and centre into the mix last season. Tuchel was happy to get rid, with a public commentary on his attitude to send him on his way - and obviously he has left a less than favourable impression on mourinho as well.

A dozen good performances after breaking through doesn't justify him being such a drastic washout for two years straight. There is nothing to miss. File under Arnautovic et al as player who will be happier as the big fish in a small pond.
 
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