Adnan Januzaj Exit Speculation

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vi1lain said:
Of course I watched the reserve games, but playing in reserves is different to making the grade at the required level. James Wilson is world class at reserve level.
They didn't show some effort though thats the point that im making, they obviously felt they were too good to be playing at reserve, which is true, however it doesnt mean that they can take the mick and do what they like either, how does that look not only to the opposition players but to your own team mates? It's immature & arrogant.
It wasn't a case of LVG being too pragmatic, it was Janzuaj and Pereira being too immature. Since then we've seen Pereira given a chance under Jose and playing well, and Januzaj still struggling.
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I'm not really buying the Mourinho talk, so far he's played Periera in 2 games in preseason over Januzaj's 1, both have apparenty been told they're not part of the 23 and can go on loan simiarly, So I don't know how you can say ones been offered an opportunity over the other so far, and if Periera stays I think he'll be afforded somewhere around the.... 0%(?) playing mark this season under Mou.
Anyway, whatever.
 
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Sphaero said:
That´s very convenient of you to use the less damning quote instead of what he also said about his in the very same press talk:

"It is a pity he did not show the desire and attitude you need to progress at his age,"

That is a translation of a direct quote and said quote is a brutal one, something you never want to hear about a talent. You can shout "lazy journalism" all you want, but it is not like the journalists had to work hard here, they just needed to write down a direct statement. A statement from someone with immense experience as youth coach and the reputation as one of the best talent developer of the country if not Europe.

I get the notion of defending one of your players, but there is really not much room for intepretation here. In difference to most things in football, this case is cut and dry.
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I didn't see that quote. I still read everything Tuchel said with a bit of salt. His main problem was that he didn't adjust properly at United.

I explained earlier why it's lazy journalism and I pretty much stand by it. It's very convenient that all youth players that aren't selected have "an attitude" problem.
 
sugar_kane said:
Between these two extremes he's barely played. So what has actually changed? I'm somewhere in between the two opinions and on that basis I'd like to see how he does under Mourinho who has previously declared himself a fan.
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The original situation was hyped too much, primarily because of his two goals against Sunderland and generally being a better performer than most in the squad in that Moyes season. During the second half of the season itself, he had slowed down, but was attributed by many as 'being tired' from playing consistently.
By the second season, good sense prevailed somewhat and he also not only failed to kick-on in the next season, but regressed heavily during the time he played. He did appear for 18 matches in the PL for us, which is not insubstantial.
Then finally the reports and complaints of poor attitude is the final straw of fans like me. I don't want to write him off (he is too young to do that) but I wouldn't disapprove if Mourinho has decided that he is not investing into.
 
unitedbhoy said:
If a player isn't showing the correct attitude or work-rate in training, then no, they don't deserve to play.

The last thing we want to portray as a club is that anything less than 100% and total dedication is acceptable.
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I'm not saying he should have been playing here, he should though have been playing somewhere on a regular basis. Let's not start exaggerating things, the lads not unmanageable. Took a personal trainer on holiday with him last summer, been training this summer. He's not overweight, we don't hear anything about drinking or drugs. He's not some wayward talent that doesn't deserve to be on a football field anywhere.

In addition if you think every footballer at the club is 100% dedicated think again. That's just not a realistic view.
 
Things suck for him, my mum's favourite player. A real shame but can't believe that all three LVG, Tuchel and Mou would be dead wrong, something must've gotten into his head. Sadly mentality in football plays bigger role than talent.
 
Kostur said:
Things suck for him, my mum's favourite player. A real shame but can't believe that all three LVG, Tuchel and Mou would be dead wrong, something must've gotten into his head. Sadly mentality in football plays bigger role than talent.
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The Belgium U-21 coach also had a go at him.

‘A 20-year-old player who gives this impression of non-motivation, it reflects a poor state of mind,’ Scifo told Walfoot. ‘I would normally speak to him, but I don’t have a good feeling about this. I’m not condemning him because he is young. ‘He might react in six months, a year or two. I hope it won’t be too late for him.

‘I dislike that a player is not motivated. The U21s aren’t a pub team! When you’re 20, you have to be humble enough to understand that on your own. You can’t ask your dad or your agent if it’s a good choice or not.’
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Fairly sure there were also rumours coming out of the Belgium senior team camp that he had a bad attitude.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
The Belgium U-21 coach also had a go at him.



Fairly sure there were also rumours coming out of the Belgium senior team camp that he had a bad attitude.
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Ah shit, now I remember, ever worse. Maybe he can somehow learn from it and still make it though, no idea. I remember that Milik once rejected playing for Polish U21s iirc, matured, now's a part of our NT.
 
Kostur said:
Ah shit, now I remember, ever worse. Maybe he can somehow learn from it and still make it though, no idea. I remember that Milik once rejected playing for Polish U21s iirc, matured, now's a part of our NT.
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Yeah, he's still a kid really. I'm still hopeful he can turn things round but it's obvious that the fact his career has recently stalled is mainly down to himself.
 
It must be extraordinarily difficult for a young player to basically make no progress for two years and still fulfil his potential. Definitely not beyond him yet, but I would say the odds are stacked against him at this stage. He doesn't even have a great body of first team experience to fall back on.
 
CG1010 said:
Or the third option of going on a loan to a smaller PL club where he would have played more often to continue his development instead of having delusions about being able to compete with established players at Dortmund.
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Now it seems that way but it is harsh to now refer to it as delusions. He had every right to believe himself and back himself. I like to see that from young players personally and I think it's a good thing.
 
He should never have been moulded into a winger. His stand-out quality was his intelligence - picking the right pass with the right weight, gliding around the pitch and his balance and ball control to turn and make space for himself. Not dribbling at full pelt or bringing out the tricks. He was more Kaka than Ronaldo/Giggs.
 
Remember when PSG bid £40m for him.

Ibe went for £15m. If we get anything less than that Ed Woodward is a disgrace.
 
Adnan is a strange one

I remember in the u21s, I never really thought of him as someone who would become a World beater. Then in the Moyes season he looked close to as talented as an 18 year old Ronaldo. Then became a bit meh again.

Hopefully things click for him with maturity
 
He has been shit since the new contract was signed.
Wouldn´t cry if he went to Sunderland for around 10m.
 
Dans said:
He can't be on that much. Not a chance.

As for a fee, we'll be lucky to get 10m for him if you ask me.
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This. We get 20m for Januzaj and ill show my arse in Woolies.

My guess ref his wages is 60k per week, which immediately puts us on the back foot in negotiations as the likes of Ibe are likely to have been on 20 so 35 is acceptable to them from the new club.

8-10m and 30% of any profit and a buyback clause....just in case.
 
starman said:
Considering we are on the verge of buying back a player for 100m we let go a few years ago. It would be crazy to just let a player of Januzaj talent go without any buy back clause
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Especially when the manager letting him go is Mourinho, who also got rid of Lukaku and De Bruyne (and Bertrand and a number of others.) Being sold by Mourinho is a pretty good endorsement for a young player these days.
 
Sparky10Legend said:
My guess ref his wages is 60k per week, which immediately puts us on the back foot in negotiations as the likes of Ibe are likely to have been on 20 so 35 is acceptable to them from the new club.
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He's on 30k. It was widely reported when he signed the contract.

Hate to put facts in the way of the 'overpriced overpaid good-for-nothing' narrative...
 
In hindsight this thread seems stupid

But Januzaj looked very good for a bit there in 2013/2014. The performance against Sunderland was something very few 18 year olds could ever do. He was by far our best player at Chelsea away and tore them to shreds at times.

Obviously the Ronaldo comparisons were always a bit far though. Ronaldo is a freak of nature, as well as Messi
 
LawCharltonBest said:
In hindsight this thread seems stupid

But Januzaj looked very good for a bit there in 2013/2014. The performance against Sunderland was something very few 18 year olds could ever do. He was by far our best player at Chelsea away and tore them to shreds at times.

Obviously the Ronaldo comparisons were always a bit far though. Ronaldo is a freak of nature, as well as Messi
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Wrong thread:p
 
LawCharltonBest said:
Adnan is a strange one

I remember in the u21s, I never really thought of him as someone who would become a World beater. Then in the Moyes season he looked close to as talented as an 18 year old Ronaldo. Then became a bit meh again.

Hopefully things click for him with maturity
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I think he was a bright spot in that poor season with Moyes - but I wouldn't go anywhere near that far - I think he tends to be overrated on here.
 
Jaybomb said:
Why would you cry if Shaw and Martial left? They haven't even reached their full potential yet :wenger:
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Not sure what the :wenger: is for.

Because when they do reach their full potential, which I have no doubts that they will then they will be the best players in their respective positions. Also I wouldn't swap Shaw for any left back in the premier league. Only Sanchez and Hazard, I would take over Martial on the left wing.

So yeah, post more smiley faces.
 
Always thought he was hyped up way too soon, a concern I also have for Rashord. People were labelling him a future Balon D'or winner on here after a handful of games, crazy stuff. With Giggs and Ronaldo you knew they were stars but never got the same feeling from Januzaj. A change of scenery will do him good though.
If Depay goes with him I will not be too unhappy either.
 
Boycott said:
He should never have been moulded into a winger. His stand-out quality was his intelligence - picking the right pass with the right weight, gliding around the pitch and his balance and ball control to turn and make space for himself. Not dribbling at full pelt or bringing out the tricks. He was more Kaka than Ronaldo/Giggs.
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This is how I see him aswell. On top of that I get the impression he plays to enjoy himself as apposed to winning and competing. Im not sure he has the right level of intensity to his game. It may dawn on him when he's older.
 
Bojan11 said:
Not sure what the :wenger: is for.

Because when they do reach their full potential, which I have no doubts that they will then they will be the best players in their respective positions. Also I wouldn't swap Shaw for any left back in the premier league. Only Sanchez and Hazard, I would take over Martial on the left wing.

So yeah, post more smiley faces.
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:lol: Why so offensive? Nothing is guaranteed in football. The only "loss" to the team would be De Gea. Everyone else is replaceable but we won't find a better GK than De Gea.
 
Let's just hope the likes of Rashford, TFM and CBJ don't have one bad season else the Caf will be looking to sell them off before they hit 23.
 
Mark Pawelek said:
Even more rumour mongers than rumours.
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His poor attitude supposedly came from one practice one day where Wilmots yelled at him and a few others to stop messing around. Also, another poor attitude remark came from the media because Vertonghen got pissed at Januzaj for nutmegging him a couple of times in practice.

The only one with any substance is the remark from Tuchel. The only other legit ones were those isolated moments from Belgium practice (not the vertonghen nonsense), and where Adnan looked to showoff in that one reserve match. Those are just two isolated moments, so again, in my eyes the only legit one is the Tuchel remark.
 
We should send him on loan to Sunderland. Moyes will give him a starting spot. He desperately needs to be playing games at this point. Keeping him another year on the bench will be of no use to him or us. He certainly won't break in to our starting lineup. He might not even make the match day squad.
 
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