Aye, agreed.
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Aye, agreed.
To be fair Shaw looked incredibly good that EL season before that cnut from PSV injured him.
This is said so frequently that it’s lost all meaning, football rarely works like that.
The best defensive fullback in the league if you judge them on stats. But there is more to it than being good in 1v1s. His high record of tackles and interceptions is also due to being «targeted» alot and playing for a team that have little possession.
Who exactly is overrating him ? I don't see us doing it . Neither does Palace fans.
People should be able to tell us alternate options if they don't agree with this signing. Tell us, what other options do we have now ? Its not like we have plenty of options and we are picking the worst one.
Can 100% see where the doubts come from. Control isn't tight and not very technical. Like Lukaku he'll have to be decent at what he does at his position to be worth the price and like Lukaku it might still not be enough because of the modern requirements of the position
I am confused when people say he is bad on the ball. How did they conclude he is bad on the ball? Palace plays very defensive and no one except Zaha gets a chance to show their attacking ability all the time.
So where is this theory coming from ?
He had 4 games, one of them was Club Brugge.
Playing out from back is not based on one player. You need every player to be fairly competent on the ball to play it out from back.
AWB video against City proves feck all. Take a Robertson from Hull video and you will see worse hoofing.
AWB video against City proves feck all. Take a Robertson from Hull video and you will see worse hoofing.
Really not about system. You can categorise a player's technical ability easily. A player like Lukaku for example will always be Lukaku in a defensive or attacking system. You shouldn't even need more than a comprehensive compilation video of one match to spot red flags on his control. Equally Pogba, Messi, Mbappe will always be technical players under a Deschamps or Zidane.
Was the same with Robertson? How many games have you seen of AWB playing to his attacking abilities?
AWB either hoofs it or play it backwards to the central defender right next to him. 56 % of his passes this season where backwards. That is a lot.
You read what I wrote right? You don't need to watch that much to spot poor controls, loose touches, loose dribbling and a basic lack of control in tight areas. Exactly how long did it take you to figure Lukaku wasn't the most technically gifted?
He's worth more than 27m now, despite a massive injury setback so he's the perfect example of a low risk signing.
If all you is looking for is one option, Max Aarons, don't know if Norwich would sell. andersj made a really good post on the subject:
http://www.redcafe.net/threads/max-aarons.448258/page-2#post-24263976
No, I didn't and it didn't make any sense. So basically you haven't watched him and basing your theory on some youtube videos.
Lukaku played a lot in epl for about 3-4 seasons and is a striker. So that comparison itself is off the mark
My concern is there will be an over reliance to do a lot of crosses again next season because of the lack of ideas from Ole just like we saw under Moyes, we have no decent right winger and there is no signs of us looking to sign one either, that puts the pressure on Bissaka to produce down that right side and if he doesn't the fans will get frustrated and considering his age it could hit him mentally to cope with the expectation and effect even his defensive side, we saw how much Shaw struggled at this club at first.
Said it already - i can show Robertson at Hull doing more hoof passes . Means feck all with what he is doing at Palace. When he is asked to hoof it, he will do it.
Typically a player from Championship? I haven't watched him so no idea at all about Aarons. Atleast I would root for one of the best right back from epl above a top rb from championship. Its basic common sense.
Gatekeeping eh? You seem to have watched his every league game, how about you enlighten me on these aspects of his game (1) Close control (2) passing ability (3) composure when pressed
When did I say that i have watched him ? It was you who said he always hoofs it or quite bad on the ball that too based on some youtube videos.
You can’t really compare the 2.
One is playing for a mid / low palace team that counter attack’s. The other just stomped their league playing attacking football against weaker opposition. He won’t get that luxury in the premier league.
He’s also quite small for a full back.
Aaron’s isn’t going to cost less than 25m either, big risk.
Worked out for James Maddison, don't know why we should fear signing Championship players.
If we sign him, lets hope and pray (if you are religious) that the same happens witj AWB. But it rarely do. And it probably wont.
I probably would too in most cases. But I do bot ser one of the best right backs in the EPL and I certainly do not see one that will be suited to playing for a top team.
The step-up is highly significant. Most don't make it.
Like with Poker, in football some people see more than others and different people see different things.
As Lex Luthor (Gene Hackman) said "Some people can read War and Peace and come away thinking it's a simple adventure story. Others can read the ingredients on a chewing gum wrapper and unlock the secrets of the universe.".
It is possible that some people see AWB play and honestly think that he possesses good-to-excellent ball control, composure and short passing ability. You might see shades of Lukaku
, while they on the other hand see Dani Alves reborn . IMO there isn't much you can do about that sort of difference in basic perception other than wait for him to arrive here and then see what happens.Come on mate. I’ve seen Robertson at Hull and AWB at Palace the difference in attack is clear even if we have one season to base it on. Robertson at Hull wasn’t as polished but he was showing signs of his attacking game.
Let me ask you this why do you think AWB is good in attack? I’ve seen him for England as well it isn’t really much different.
So you really can't see he isnt great on the ball? Genuinely asking no sarcasm. You might want to wait for a larger sample size to conclude that which is fine, My opinion is that it's clear as daylight. I don't know how frequent he hoofs, he might make the most of the limited technique like Sissoko does but there's no mistaking those loose touches and control aren't typical in footballers who are good on the ball
Tbh, I’m just glad someone see something in him. Hopefully I am wrong about him.
Bizzare that this is taking so long. If Palace are playing hard ball, we should walk away and put our faith in Dalot, or go for that Norwich right back and move on to other targets. This is not Messi we are negotiating
Point is not about who is better though. I am saying I can show more hoof balls of Robertson than AWB. its all about how you are asked to play. Hodgson basically a defensive manager and doesn't take risks. So he is asked to hoof it.
No, I haven't watched AWB good enough to say he is good or bad and so, I am not making any claim on it either.
You need to consider what we could get with that money when we bought Shaw (the most expensive fullback in the whole world), what he's contributed to our team, his wages we've paid, what we missed out on other player because we signed him, and what's the future of him in our team.
It's a simpleton of just using the probable selling price to consider as "low risk".
Pretty sure our plan is to stomp the league playing attacking football, but you can not do that with the wrong players. So the fact that Aarons got experiance doing that should be a good thing, if you ask me. But I have not actually watched Norwich play, so who knows.
Patrice Evra is 1,73 m, Aarons 1.78 m according to wikipedia, don't see the problem.
No, i havent watched him at all. But when people say he is bad on the ball without watching him doing any kind of attacks, its unfortunate.
Its not like we have lot of options either.
Do you think we could have got, or will get 27m if we decide to sell Shaw?
I'm not well...sure
Palace are probably busy snapping up Arrans for 15m.
Yeah you are right on that but in the same time a lot of people have watched AWB over the last year and I don’t think anyone can say he’s comfortable in his passing or on the ball. Obviously he’s still young but he isn’t the flair type of player who you would easily see even if you watch him for 10-15 games.
Shaw would go for 40m minimum in this market imo. English, young and there are some that rate him.
Shaw will fetch at least 40m pounds IMO if we’re to sell him.
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