Yep. Our defenders and our defending will be 'ok' enough for the coming season should we not add anything to it centrally. We do need a RB though dude. If we added some proper steel and creativity to our midfield and speed and threat to our attack, our CB's wouldn't look quite so bad.
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Yep. Our defenders and our defending will be 'ok' enough for the coming season should we not add anything to it centrally. We do need a RB though dude. If we added some proper steel and creativity to our midfield and speed and threat to our attack, our CB's wouldn't look quite so bad.
I haven't seen much of him so have to ask when someone says that.
Good post, don't pay attention to that poster.
He's average going forward. Great on one on ones and in defensive sense (for his age) but I wouldn't call him good going forward.
Why did you ask it?
Mendy didn't play in PL though. If he was playing for Palace I'd imagine Real had to pay around 60m as well.
In order to pay market prices compared to other continental teams we need to change the Brexit strategy. Why would English teams sell their best players for 40m quid? All are stacked with money and if those assets are on long contracts they will naturally want a lot more.
He is young with a lot of scope to improve - especially in the forward areas. That being said, if I was a Utd fan the prospect of Shaw on the left and AWB on the right would worry me as neither are particularly good in forward areas. Both very strong defensively which is important but if you want a pair of attacking full-backs who are effective in the attacking third then you will be lacking with those two in the side. AWB is very good and I'd love him at Spurs, think he will be a very good signing for whoever gets him - just to clarify that - but he is not a big attacking threat at the moment (hopefully will develop this side of his game).
Waiting for united transfers is so boring these days since Woodward took over.
His forward play is atrocious, can’t wait for everyone advocating this transfer to start slaughtering him once the season starts. We need better scouts. £50m for a RB of this level is a joke.
What about Martial in the video, gives away possession everytime bar one or two instances, shocking really.
AWB's skill against Martial was just unreal too, maybe that's the best part of Martial in the video.
It's a well known fact that young players never improve from their initial level.
You forgot Daniel James, a true winger. Although he is still only a prospect.
The trouble is, he’s a left winger. His strengths come from cutting in from the left onto his right foot. He’s likely to be as mediocre as Martial and Rashford are on the right hand side.
It will be absolute pure fecking negligence if we end another transfer window without buying a specialist right winger.
Does not look like we are signing AWB after all. We should just give Dalot a shot, and use Demetri Mitchell as 3th choice fullback. Have not seen Hearts play, but apparently he is a attacking fullback, can't be any worse then Young.
Dalot needs regular play time to develops, so we should not be blocking his path to first team football by signing a clumsy RBs like AWB. Developing the defensive side of things is the easiest skill to develop for a football player, and usually the last thing that gets focused on for young players. Good defensive positioning comes with experience, so if we don't play Dalot he will not develop it properly. We don't have really have a problem conceding goals from open play, a lot of the goals conceded after Solskjaer took over is from counterattacks, set pieces and De Gea. So the hole Dalot being bad defensively I don't buy. Yeah he is not great at it, but he will learn, and get better.
Having a fit team that can run for 90 min straight week in week out will also help our defensive structure. There is also a couple of fullbacks at the U23 team, one of them is bound to turn out half decent. RB really is the easiest position to find someone to fill, so if Dalot is not playing, pretty much anyone can step in for a game. We already have a defensive backup option in Darmian, so its not like we are hurting for squad depth currently.
If we do sign AWB, I will ofcourse give him my 100% support, but until we do, he is not needed.
Dalot needs regular play time to develops, so we should not be blocking his path to first team football by signing a clumsy RBs like AWB. Developing the defensive side of things is the easiest skill to develop for a football player, and usually the last thing that gets focused on for young players. Good defensive positioning comes with experience, so if we don't play Dalot he will not develop it properly. We don't have really have a problem conceding goals from open play, a lot of the goals conceded after Solskjaer took over is from counterattacks, set pieces and De Gea. So the hole Dalot being bad defensively I don't buy. Yeah he is not great at it, but he will learn, and get better.
Having a fit team that can run for 90 min straight week in week out will also help our defensive structure. There is also a couple of fullbacks at the U23 team, one of them is bound to turn out half decent. RB really is the easiest position to find someone to fill, so if Dalot is not playing, pretty much anyone can step in for a game. We already have a defensive backup option in Darmian, so its not like we are hurting for squad depth currently.
If we do sign AWB, I will ofcourse give him my 100% support, but until we do, he is not needed.
We could get a better right back and left back for the money this is going to end up taking.
Hopefully we've already had the sense to pack up and start after other targets. But even 7 years on from Baines I'm sure we haven't learned.
Just imagine signing Aarons and Firpo for the same fee as AWB. How much more sense would that make?
Hopefully we've already had the sense to pack up and start after other targets. But even 7 years on from Baines I'm sure we haven't learned.
Just imagine signing Aarons and Firpo for the same fee as AWB. How much more sense would that make?
Yeah, I agree with the concept of this post, but we all know that the fact if a player wants to go, that changes the dynamic a bit. If you price someone out a move, you just end up with an unhappy employee and usually performances dip. Hence why I don't think we'll actually get £150m for Pogba.
Agreed, but a factor in that is also the character of the player. I would imagine AWB will kick up much less of a fuss if he doesn't get a move than Pogba might tbf, especially with that Raiola cretin behind him.
What if he's worth more than 60m in 3 years?
In 3 years AWB contract with Palace runs out.
To elaborate, if we buy him now and pay a bit over the odds, he will still be worth more if we decide to sell him on in a few years. It's worth the risk as he's a young and upcoming player.
Any player below the age of 25 we play in the RB position for 3 years will be worth more. Also United don't sell, we aint no farmer club.
What if his attacking potential and effeciency is limited and not better than Valencia as a right back? Worth it still?
Valencia used to be the best RB in the league, give me a 25 year old Valencia any day of the week.
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That's true, I don't mean he'll do it on purpose, but if you've had your head turned it can change a few things and you're never quite at the level you were. You then have to weight that up if you really want to stick to a high price. Depends how integral a player is, like with Pogba for us, if his level drops even a bit, we're a much worse team for it.
Why? Clearly Madrid chose Mendy out of everyone, the fee is high and they have the lure to get players from all but a few clubs. That includes Wan Bissaka and premier league players.
Not better than valencia doesnt automatically mean on par to his. Valencia's deliveries were very weak as a right back of compared to players like Neville.
Why would Madrid go for AWB, a right back, when Mendy is a LB?
Because we target PL players (stupid I know). That means we have a narrow pool and will no doubt overpay.
There are no doubt more and better alternatives than David Brooks at 50m pounds for example but this is what we're looking at.
Valencia has never been the best RB in the league lets be honest now
I was replying to a guy who said we could do without a rb and prioritize a cb. I was saying the opposite if we only had the budget for 1 scenario
I was about to comment this myself after watching those highlights. If anyone in this video showed rubbish attacking play it was Martial. Ugh!!
I think if you look at the players we've signed from the past few seasons we clearly look at foreign leagues too. And it only makes sense to sign British players when you are getting value
We signed Dalot when he was playing mainly at leftback for Porto
Either you are the best player in the world, or you suck balls, thats just the nature of being a United player.
It's not just the defenders though, we were poor defensively as a collective. Think back to that 4-0 mauling by Everton our midfielders didn't exactly cover themselves in glory either, they were just as bad. We could have world class defenders but the end result would be the same if our midfielders let the other team waltz through and can't string more than 10 passes.
You mean right winger?
We had different approach so you can’t compare to last seasons. We seem to be targeting PL players for whatever reasons.
No thanks to Ashley young but of course there are negatives.
To be honest I cannot understand why people cannot see them.
1. The price. But as the saying goes it ain't my money so fair enough.
2. He lacks the requisite ball skills to contribute to an effective press resistant passing game. For example, in his last game against us, there was altogether too much hoof ball from him.
We wants players who
1. Can normally receive the ball cleanly and get it under control quickly in tight spaces
2. Can normally control the ball within 1 or max 2 touches
3. Having received the ball can quickly transition to head up, with ball under control and ready for the next phase
4. Can evade an advancing playing or press via short passing or dribbling
5. Have progressive short-passing (weight, speed, drive) with high accuracy
6. Have composure to play with head-up and also be aware of own position relative to other players.
Too few of our current lot have these which is why it all falls to pieces when we play teams which press aggressively. (It is (was?) the same with the English national team BTW).
These skills are less important for strikers, wingers and to some extent fullbacks and a team can carry a few players who lack these but our overall problem is that most of our players already fail in these regards.
I already raised this is a previous post and the game where he played against us earlier, supports that notion.
As a pure defender he is one of the best so there is nothing wrong with buying him for the right price. That is, as long as we are aware that we need to focus on "progressive" players going forward.
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Could be managerial instructions, but from what I have seen his ability to play out in those situations is somewhat subpar.
Yeah on that account I agree. But we really do need both.
But he had already showed an ability to play on both sides, AWB hasn't.
Bit of a strange and irrelevant point really, Madrid wouldn't target AWB when they're looking for a left back.
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