Banging on about Kenny taking you to 6th whilst earlier in the season denying that Roy potentially taking you to 7th would prove anything.
A Tribute to Roy Hodgson - his LFC legacy in quotes
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Banging on about Kenny taking you to 6th whilst earlier in the season denying that Roy potentially taking you to 7th would prove anything.
Bingo.
Expect to be pilloried by all sides for talking sense like that in here though.
And once again I ask "How long should he have been given and at what cost?"
I'm gabberflasted how anyone can still argue the point about Roy being sacked, given that all the evidence since he left has proven it was the right decision. Simples.
Well fine - you seem to get a real boner out of repeating that 10 times a day so whatever works, I guess.
It was worth pointing out that your 'worst league campaign' comment was completely worthless though.
Your new stat seems to be working for you although, again, it's completely misleading as it places all the blame on one individual which only someone with your complete ambivalence with the truth would actually think true.
That's a leading question - implying giving him time came at an unavoidable cost.
You can say you don't think he did a good job but there was nothing rational in the way Liverpool fans and players reacted to him.
You weren't significantly worse this season under Roy than you were last season under Rafa or now under Kenny.
People are more positive now but that is largely to do with the fans hating him from the start.
Winning easy matches isn't really that simple when your man loses to the likes of Blackpool and Northampton at home...
Brownosing your man doesn't constitute talking sense
Rubbish.
The reason for the fans turning on him was because the results and the football were awful. If all was well on the pitch, his ridiculous musings off it would have paled into insignificance.
Can you explain the hypocrisy now?
Brown nosing?
Is that what the likes of Alex Ferguson, Kevin Keegan and John Barnes were doing when they pointed out that treating Hodgson the way they did was wrong?
At the end of the day he isn't a great manager, never was and never will be. In all fairness though Feedingseagulls is totally correct. If United fans/the board had treated Sir Alex in a similar manner at the start he wouldn't be here now. and who knows what we'd have won in the last 1/4 century (again not saying Woy would have ever won anything).
The day of his appointment on SSN 'Pool fans were totally split and after 1-2 bad results they (and it seemed some players) were totally against him (although his comments didn't close to help). The only people who seemed to support him after 3-4 months were Liverpool pundits who were far more realistic in their expectations, but as soon as he lost the season ticket holders they may as well have sacked him. It was like Megson at Bolton, he'd have had to be a miracle worker to win the fans over.
The problem with Liverpool fans is it seems they'd prefer to be shit under a legendary manager than mediocre under a nobody manager, evidenced by the fans on SSN very happy with the January transfer window, despite trading one of the worlds best players for a chancer and a few quid. If Woy had been in charge come Feb 1st he'd have ben lynched.
The day of his appointment on SSN 'Pool fans were totally split and after 1-2 bad results they (and it seemed some players) were totally against him (although his comments didn't close to help). The only people who seemed to support him after 3-4 months were Liverpool pundits who were far more realistic in their expectations, but as soon as he lost the season ticket holders they may as well have sacked him. It was like Megson at Bolton, he'd have had to be a miracle worker to win the fans over.
The problem with Liverpool fans is it seems they'd prefer to be shit under a legendary manager than mediocre under a nobody manager, evidenced by the fans on SSN very happy with the January transfer window, despite trading one of the worlds best players for a chancer and a few quid. If Woy had been in charge come Feb 1st he'd have ben lynched.
I consider it a bit of a non-question tbh. He was not allowed to do the job for which he was hired imo. The players and fans made his position untenable based on a combination of their preconceptions regarding him and a set of unrealistic expectations - they never attempted to work with/for him in any way that could allow success. Their attitude became a self-fulfilling prophecy - so I don't think we have any real idea how Woy might have done if working with realists. In terms of your question there was never a job that Woy was allowed to do.
I've felt for ages that what 'poo fans could never forgive was that he portrayed how bad the club was far more accurately than they could bear.
He already did.
Your reply has nothing whatsoever to do with his explanation which was based solely on league position.
Banging on about Kenny taking us to 6th? Even if people are doing that, it's hardly hypocritical. Unless by 'hypocritical', you actually mean 'factual'
What I will bang on about is the results and performances have improved under Kenny. That's also factual.
This is really cringe.
Maybe the players weren't put enough effort in because they were being utilised under shite systems and some key players were played out of position. You have to look at both side.
Remember how gerrard and carragah were estatic when Roy joined.
And what did pool's fans do that make you feel like crying a river for Roy?
All he requires is the fans do sing for the team, he shouldn't worry about being loved or not and get on with his job.
Torres was unhappy but being played 40 yards away from his team to chase nonsense balls wouldn't have helped his situation I tell ye that!
You've been defending your man since forever, failing to criticise him for anything despite glaring faults.
We aren't haveing a full on discussion with those lot are we where I'm sure they would look at both sides of the coin unlike you who praises the sweedish league winner 24/7.
Torres was unhappy that he was in a shit team and not competing for trophies, the very reason he joined the club.
He was still happy under the exact same "40 yard away" system under Rafa two years previous (in fact they beat us 4-1 employing that system which Liverpool fans still spout as being one of their best performances in recent years).
You obviously have no idea re the players - that's all guess work - and are generalising greatly about the fans.
If you deal with who is in front of you, rather than dealing in wild generalisations, I think you'll find that no Liverpool fan on here was hostile towards Roy when he was appointed. Cautious maybe but not hostile. But that did change as the results and performances worsened. He couldn't have gone quick enough for me from about October onwards.
Bollocks darling ,
The fat waiter provided support to Torres through gerrard but Roy opted to employ gerrard deep in midfield so they linked up rarely.
It was a glaring fault, the same as Roy playing mereles on the wing, everyone could see it but Roy
The results were pretty much the same as last year and that didn't lead to the same visceral reaction.
So why didn't he stay when his idol King Kenny turned up?
I've already stated he was unhappy at the club, but I have no doubt Roy's negative and downright absurd tactics contributed. You could tell by his puzzles face week ik week out.
They may have worked in the sweedish league but they weren't working at Pool
So why didn't Torres blame him when he had the chance? Instead of taking even more flak from the Scousers?
eh? whatever mate. I am sure there are plenty of strawmen left for you to shoot at.
It's not rocket surgery that the manager holds the primary responsibility for results.
in fairness, blaming roy when it was obvious he wasn't exactly giving it his all himself would have made him look even more of a cnut.
But you do get called out on pretending like the signing never happened to make a point, which is what I did to you.
The main thing that has changed since Roy left is that the fans and the players seem to be behind the club again. How much of that is down to what Hodgson did, or didn't, do is impossible to calculate, but I seem to remember him getting zero support from pretty much day one.
Pool fans were always looking for the negatives in Hodgson, and they are always looking for the positives with Dalglish. Thats not something to be underestimated.
It doesn't look like anyone will be convinced by the other side of the argument on this one though.
Plenty wanted Rafa out last season.
Plenty.
That said, Rafa is a better manager and people recognised as much and were perhaps more patient,
I'm having some difficulty understanding your post but I don't think you actually answered my question.
Are Alex Ferguson, Kevin Keegan, John Barnes and others who were angry with how Hodgson was treated 'brownnosing' as well?
feck YOU ROY, and your shit tactics!
feck YOU, and your crap transfers wasting all our money!
feck YOU, and your embarrassing press conferences!
feck YOU, for making us play like shit!
feck YOU, you fat Spanish waiter, er, I mean pigeon looking bastard!
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Do you reckon this outpouring of disdain and derision for Roy is a way to vent the pent up frustration from years of biting your tongue and turning a blind eye to everything Benitez did?
feck YOU, and your crap transfers wasting all our money!
feck YOU, and your embarrassing press conferences!
feck YOU, for making us play like shit!
feck YOU, you fat Spanish waiter, er, I mean pigeon looking bastard!
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Do you reckon this outpouring of disdain and derision for Roy is a way to vent the pent up frustration from years of biting your tongue and turning a blind eye to everything Benitez did?
How is pointing out that a man who left the club on January 8th can't be responsible for 'the worst league campaign in 50 years' a strawman?
The extent to which he's responsible for results up to the 8th January is arguable, but you certainly can't throw 'league campaign' statistics at him.
As I said earlier, the irony.
not from day one though. I think for the opening part of the season fans were still hoping to see what kind of impact he could have on the side as 'mr safe hands'.
I wouldn't say fans went looking for negatives as much as simply picking them up. There were plenty and plenty of them on the pitch and if we weren't fed up with that, Roy would throw in a few more negatives in the press conference.
What might have bought Roy more time and leeway in all this was some positives to pick up in all this but there were simply none. He signed Meireles, offset by not knowing how to utilise him, N'gog scored a few goals despite being a bit shit for a backup striker, we beat chelsea at Anfield and Torres played well there.
That's it. The reason someone like Rafa got more patience in his first season were he was dreadful in the league was that, apart from a stronger CV and track record and not actually being as poor as roy, there were games in between all the shite that actually showed promise. Fans could see what he was trying to do and implement, even though the team was rather wobbly in its implementation of it.
Roy never offered any promise beyond be a safe pair of hands. And it turned out he never was that either.
Spot on
For feck's sake - how many times can you type this shite out before you're going to get bored of it?
It's been about 20 times a day now for over a month.
It's so fecking short sighted, self righteous and plain bloody clueless.
You remember incorrectly, Bilbo.
You don't throw anything at him, that's the problem, you support him so much you even wanted Pool to win while he was in charge.
Try to be objective when it comes to your man.
Are you an oracle or something?
You seem to think that simply disagreeing with someone is enough to win the argument for you.
Where's the evidence to back up your certainty that you all supported Hodgson to the hilt?
It shouldn't really make a difference to Roy's poor tenure
it sounds like pathetic excuses.
You'll have to ask Torres that :/
but it was clear he was unhappy with the tactics.