Ridiculous. With UEFA's new financial rules, every dollar you don't bring in is money you can't spend on players to fund a revival.
Liverpool have to make Europe or they are in bad shape.
A Tribute to Roy Hodgson - his LFC legacy in quotes
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Ridiculous. With UEFA's new financial rules, every dollar you don't bring in is money you can't spend on players to fund a revival.
Liverpool have to make Europe or they are in bad shape.
Some sensible points in here and I wish Liverpool would get back to bringing through youth players (and not inexplicably selling them as has happened a few times in the recent past!)
To be honest though, that team needs massive investment to get anywhere near City, Chelsea, Arsenal and United, and I don't know if the new owners are capable of it.
Benitez left the academy in rude health, BL.
For me, it's his greatest legacy at LFC.
As an aside, who did we sell inexplicably? I can't think of any names.
Don't you think you'd have been better off if you'd kept Stephen Warnock?
There was another academy product a few years ago, a right back, who I thought looked really good when he broke through and it obviously meant a lot to him to wear the shirt - can't remember his name but he was moved on swiftly too.
Those two, particularly, struck me as odd when throughout the whole Benitez era the fullback positions were so problematic. Why not at least keep them in reserve? You'd also have had local talent in the team to boot, retained more local identity, and had guys who understood what it meant to play for Liverpool.
I also thought Danny Murphy was a youth product but turns out he wasn't - I'd have kept him a while longer for the same reasons though.
Warnock was no better than Riise and arguably worse. I am not sure of the right back you are thinking of but I can't think of Rafa selling any prematurely.
Murphy did a good job but he wouldn't have played a lot under Benitez where the midfield was our strength.
I am not arguing for argument's sake here, BL, but of the players moved on in the past few years, I can't think of any that I have thought 'I wish we had kept him'.
This obviously doesn't include the players who left of their own accord. I would happily have all of them back!
Then why not keep Warnock as competition for places and also to have local talent in the squad? I think he'd have got games and who knows how his career might have progressed at Liverpool?
I'd say Dalglish agrees as he's been strongly rumoured to be interested in acquiring him back hasn't he?
If I were a Liverpool fan I'd have wanted to keep guys like Warnock and Murphy in the squad among all the foreign players coming and going - I'd be furious to see them sold on.
Riise and Aurelio were easily better players than Warnock and I don't think it made sense, for us or himself, to keep him on as third choice at the time.
I personally like to see a core of English/local players in the squad but I wasn't really furious at the time Murphy or Warnock were sold on. On reflection, keeping Warnock may not have been a bad idea. Murphy would have gotten fed up in my view, and moved for first team football.
Of the five excellent English youngsters at Liverpool that people hold in high regard, two are Liverpool born and one Warrinton. For me that is brilliant; a credit to Rafa and the club. Long may that continue..
I'd still have kept him with Aurelio's injury record. You've since had numerous problems and false starts with other players there - should have kept him.
Liverpool have never had much success from homegrown talent.
For a club that's won the European Cup 5 times, I think I read that only 7 homegrown players have won medals.
Compare that to United.
For a club that's won the European Cup 5 times, I think I read that only 7 homegrown players have won medals.
Compare that to United.
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A post Glaston would be proud of.
But it doesn't sound even remotely accurate to me.
edit: Did you mean European Cup medals? Then I don't know
Why's it a post Glaston would be proud of? It doesn't mention Spurs or stadiums.
Not even remotely accurate? What do you think would be a closer figure?
Care to name some the players you have in mind?
Roy's West Brom are trying to play football tonight against Stoke. Not much sign of the hoofball Liverpool fans accused him of. Wonder if he's had an epiphany?
The difference is he has players who can actually pass the ball on the ground in a pleasing fashion.
And the most amusing thing about that post, Chief is you are probably serious!
Yeh, West Brom are bloody quality compared to Liverpool.Surely not, sir?! For it has been told that Liverpool doth possess some of the greatest players the world hath ever seen! Pray tell, is this shithole not the resting place of the infamous beast known as pass n move, la?
That's mostly how they played when he was in charge at Fulham, so it's not surprising. I think it's easier for him at West Brom because he doesn't have to deal with sulking players. They might be buying into his system and that will make all the difference.
Coz Liverpool have been playing flowing football since Roy left. They haven't been abysmal at all.
Turning the argument on its head, hypothetically, plonk Ferguson in Liverpool's hotseat from Sept 1999 onwards and plonk Houllier in Man Utd's.
Which youngsters would have stood out in the 11 years after that little experiment?
Hypotheticals eh. Imagine if aliens had landed and abducted all of the class of '92, hypothetically speaking like.
The fact is, Liverpool's European Cup winning teams have had next to no homegrown players.
The funny thing is, your fans love to point the finger at other clubs for 'buying success' and we've often been led to believe your success was different in the 70's and 80's, when in fact, your entire history is more or less based on bought in players, whilst United's success has been much more organic.
We're just a better club you see, but you knew that.
Indeed, after 0 games you said Daglish had "earned the right" to lose every single game until May.
Says it all really about your ability to think rationally or the value of your opinions on the subject of Hodgson/Daglish/Benitez/life/the universe/everything.
It's not amusing. You should in fact cry!
West Brom for at least a year plus have been playing far better passing football than you've managed and 3 different managers. Try and deny it.Personally I want what is best for Liverpool. Albeit Hodgson, Benitez, Dalglish or whoever as manager and I will back the manager I feel is doing a good job. Benitez and Hodgson both had their shot and were found wanting.
Kenny is now in the process of righting the ship. All power to him.
Kenny is now in the process of righting the ship. All power to him.
We're just a better club you see, but you knew that.
If you were a better club, you'd have emulated Liverpool & spent more money on winning European Cups.
Anyway. When's the new batch of Giggs, Scholes, etc going to come through ?
Surely you're not going to have to spend big money on replacing them are you
Who'd have thunk it eh ?. Manchester United & their super duper youth system
Apparently they were purchased a few seasons ago for £18m a pop; Nani and Anderson.
They even spent a fair dollop on a Scouser to help them win one of their 3 European Cups.
All I'm saying is our major success has been alot more organic compared to you buying entire teams. No need for your jealous jibes.
As for the next generation, as always I have high hopes for the likes of Welbeck, Cleverley, Evans, Morrison, and a few others.
Of course it's alot more difficult these days, and not all will break through, but I'm confident a few can make a career here.
As for the next generation, as always I have high hopes for the likes of Welbeck, Cleverley, Evans, Morrison, and a few others.
Of course it's alot more difficult these days, and not all will break through, but I'm confident a few can make a career here.
Our 1977 European Cup winning side contained Tommy Smith & Ian Callaghan. We also Had 'super-sub' David fairclough on the bench. All 3 came through the youth system. We also had the likes of Ray Clemence, Phil Neal, Joey Jones, Steve Heighway, Kevin Keegan, & Jimmy Case. All 6 cost us pretty much next to nothing - We sold Kevin Keegan that year, & bought Kenny Dalglish as a replacement. Not only did we get a better player, we also made a nice little profit too.
Where the feck was your super duper youth system between 1968 & 1992 ?
Where the feck was your super duper youth system between 1968 & 1992 ?
Well duh, they were signed. They're not homegrown
Fletcher, O'Shea, Evans and Brown have been the most recent generation of homegrown players to establish themselves as first-team regulars at United, following on from the "class of 93".
The next wave will include the likes of Welbeck, Cleverley and Morrison.
What has Nani and Anderson got to do with any of this?
Well duh, they were signed. They're not homegrown
Fletcher, O'Shea, Evans and Brown have been the most recent generation of homegrown players to establish themselves as first-team regulars at United, following on from the "class of 93".
The next wave will include the likes of Welbeck, Cleverley and Morrison.
What has Nani and Anderson got to do with any of this?
Utd's youth system is excellent, Pogue, I am not denying that.
The reference to Nani and Anderson was a little jibe, Pogue. You make enough of them so I am sure they should be easily recognisable to you.
Whereas ye've spent a fair amount in the past few years to help you win feck all....
Wahey!
***Come in all you Net Spenders with your links to net spending websites***
We haven't had a decent "we've spent less than you" debate for at least a week!
Well it hasn't been super-duper all the time, never claimed it to be, but all our great European Cup winning teams have contained a base of homegrown players. And the Busby Babes, arguably the greatest homegrown team of all time, could have dominated European football for a decade.
Organic success, rather than bought success, like Liverpool.
So we've got Smith, Callaghan and Fairclough. Who are the other 4 from the measly 7?
I am not sure of your point here, Red. Are you saying Utd don't buy success?
Or are you just dick measuring?
Or both?
I couldn't give a flying feck about comparing spending Sam, its a bit spastic to say oh we had a great youth team in 1977 and question Utds youth policy when our team has been the most successful in the country for the past 20 years while littered with homegrown players.
Watch tonight, Ryan Giggs will equal Charltons league appearance record if he plays.. homegrown.
Redman has a dig about buying Rooney, but hey at least he's been successful. I think you'll find ye spent about 20million on Torres, what did he win? Thats right, feck all, he went backwards, if he'd have stayed at Athletico at least he'd have won the Europa league.
Crikes.
Yes, nice counter Sam.
Redman can keep banging on about 77 all he likes, christ I'd probably keep living in the past too if we were as shite as you've been for the past 2 years, and hey, its made all the more easy to do when you're backed by the board bringing King Ken out of retirement eh?
I mean, he's such a legend he's earned the right to get you relegated.
Is it dick measuring to be proud that your club's best teams have contained a strong contingent of homegrown players?
I'm proud of the organic nature of our success, that's all. I was also surprised Liverpool had so few homegrown players in their greatest teams.