A Tribute to Roy Hodgson - his LFC legacy in quotes

Sam.G said:
Extreme speculation and if you're argument is based on that, your argument is a poor and weak one.

The reason Roy was out of his depth was in 35 years of management he had basically achieved nothing of note.

Never should have got the gig. Glad he only got six months.
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The existence of anti-Woy feeling isn't speculation. The team playing like shit and couldn't care at times isn't speculation.

- and if you read my post again you'll see it's only a small part of my case - which is mostly pointing out 'poo have been consistently poor.
 
Boss said:
out of interest how many players outside our first 11 are of proven quality?

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Loads. Have a think about it.

Jeez...

I'd still love to see you name these players outside their first 11 that justifies saying their squad is 'far from shit' - who are they then?
 
BaldwinLegend said:
I wonder how long support will last for Dalglish if, in reality, he gets no better results than Hodgson did. So far, they're worse.
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You can spin stats any way you like; Roy had one win in his first 8 league games while Kenny's had 4 in his first 8.

Ergo, a win v Ratbotnicki versus a win v Chelsea are not like for like.

But it depends on your agenda how you read the stats. Your particular agenda is clear.
 
BaldwinLegend said:
Loads. Have a think about it.

Jeez...

I'd still love to see you name these players outside their first 11 that justifies saying their squad is 'far from shit' - who are they then?
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So point then out, why must you think about it?!?!, our sqaud isn't gigantic

remember now, proven quality

if you can't are we shit?

well go on
 
Boss said:
So point then out, why must you think about it?!?!, our sqaud isn't gigantic

remember now, proven quality

if you can't are we shit?

well go on
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Here you go:

Chris Smalling, Jonny Evans, Wes Brown, John O'Shea, Ji Sung Park, Michael Owen, Antonia Valencia, Paul Scholes, Javier Hernandez, Fabio, Anderson...

That's assuming our first choice midfield conists of Nani, Fletcher, Carrick and Giggs.

I'm looking forward to you doing the same for Liverpool now.
 
That's it Boss stick to that rather than actually answering the question.

I'll rephrase it for you. How many players outside their first 11 would you like at Utd?
 
BaldwinLegend said:
Here you go:

Chris Smalling, Jonny Evans, Wes Brown, John O'Shea, Ji Sung Park, Michael Owen, Antonia Valencia, Paul Scholes, Javier Hernandez, Fabio, Anderson...

That's assuming our first choice midfield conists of Nani, Fletcher, Carrick and Giggs.

I'm looking forward to you doing the same for Liverpool now.
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You could probably add Welbeck and Cleverley to that list, even though they're proving their quality at different clubs.
 
Eyepopper said:
That's it Boss stick to that rather than actually answering the question.

I'll rephrase it for you. How many players outside their first 11 would you like at Utd?
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United are a far better team than Liverpool


there's not many players outside Barca's first 11 I would want at United

it's a strange way to convey crapness of a team.
 
Boss said:
it's a strange way to convey crapness of a team.
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looking at the quality of players in their squad is a strange way of judging whether or not their squad is shit? How would you generally do it?

Oh and you brought Utd up.
 
hehe,

how many players otuside Barca's first 11 are of proven quality

anyway scratch that, I agree, alot of players outside Liverpool's first 11 are poo

but Roy should have done better with the players he had at his disposal

they certaintly weren't as shite as some of the teams he lost to at home


I disperse


au voir hehehe!
 
BaldwinLegend said:
Here you go:

Chris Smalling, Jonny Evans, Wes Brown, John O'Shea, Ji Sung Park, Michael Owen, Antonia Valencia, Paul Scholes, Javier Hernandez, Fabio, Anderson...
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It's all subjective.

You say Evans and Smalling and Fabio are all proven quality. Of course they're not.
 
Boss said:
hehe,

how many players otuside Barca's first 11 are of proven quality

anyway scratch that, I agree, alot of players outside Liverpool's first 11 are poo

but Roy should have done better with the players he had at his disposal

they certaintly weren't as shite as some of the teams he lost to at home


I disperse


au voir hehehe!
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What have Barcelona got to do with the squad Hodgson had at his disposal?

Well chosen by you anyway - Barca are well known for being overly reliant on a very strong first 11. Still, they've some far, far stronger back up players than Liverpool. Even Mascherano, one of the first names on the teamsheet under Benitez, is outside the first 11 at Barca.
 
Sam.G said:
Among the players? Yes. It is.

You have no idea if this is true or not.

Absolutely no idea.
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:lol:

My actual statement concerned "anti-Woy feeling affecting the squad".

Now consider the actual meaning of the word 'affect' and then work out to what extent it justifies you making it all about a feeling 'among' the affected group.

Next, consider how people might react to hearing negative propaganda repeated about an individual - are they more likely to view that person positively or negatively having been exposed to it?

Lastly, consider that you, by your own arguments, have no evidence that there was no anti-Woy feeling within the squad either. You might want to examine why the players performed so poorly though, as if they didn't care.
 
Sam.G said:
It's all subjective.

You say Evans and Smalling and Fabio are all proven quality. Of course they're not.
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Evans played half the games in the leagues tightest defence last season and Smalling and Fabio are better options than Liverpool have in those positions.

Not that any of that is the point, merely Boss trying to avoid backing up what he said.
 
BaldwinLegend said:
Oh, it's Oracle Sam again.

'They're not'.

Great argument.
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Evans Smalling and Fabio are of proven quality



our youngsters?

Smalling has had how many first team games?

Evans is still proving himself, he's inconsistent

and Fabio, ,must I explain?!

Let the kids breathe man!

what a daft perception of proven!
 
Boss said:
...and Owen is far from quality these days, obviously Javier isn't proven but he's going on about it the right way....!

I mean goodbye!
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Hernandez isn't proven? He's scored at the World Cup and in the Premier League in the last year - where else do you want him to prove himself for you?

Michael Owen has been quality whenever he's taken to the pitch for us - injury prone maybe but questioning his quality is daft. He's certainly a good 4th choice striker to have.

No one would have questioned Evans on the list before his dip in confidence, and Smalling is a full international, nailed on to play for United and England for years...
 
Boss said:
hehe,

how many players otuside Barca's first 11 are of proven quality

anyway scratch that, I agree, alot of players outside Liverpool's first 11 are poo

but Roy should have done better with the players he had at his disposal

they certaintly weren't as shite as some of the teams he lost to at home
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Ok players in Liverpools squad of proven quality, assuming a team of Reina, Johnson, Agger, Carragher, Kelly, Lucas, Gerrard, Merieles, Maxi, Kuyt, Torres.

Aurelio, Joe Cole, N'Gog, Jovanovic, Poulsen, Kyrgiakos.

I agree he should have done better but when you're playing with one striker and that one guy plays like he doesn't want to be there you're in the shit.
 
Ok who are the quality players outside their first 11 then :rolleyes:
 
who the feck is Smalling anyway?

Yes, he is that unproven.
 
Look, Hodgson didn't acquit himself particularly well over there, especially in terms of transfers, but the idea that Dalglish is miles better is wide of the mark. It's also completely wrong to write off Hodgson as a manager based on half a season.
 
BaldwinLegend said:
Hernandez isn't proven? He's scored at the World Cup and in the Premier League in the last year - where else do you want him to prove himself for you?

Michael Owen has been quality whenever he's taken to the pitch for us - injury prone maybe but questioning his quality is daft. He's certainly a good 4th choice striker to have.

No one would have questioned Evans on the list before his dip in confidence, and Smalling is a full international, nailed on to play for United and England for years...
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:eek:!!!!! Owen wh...what?!

Hernandez is alot of potential, many players have scored in the world cup which aren't good, let him fulfil his potential before we start saying he's proven.


Like I said he's going on about it the right way
 
B9 said:
who the feck is Smalling anyway?

Yes, he is that unproven.
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Maybe, but he's still top quality, and will play for England and United for years to come.
 
Sam.G said:
I assume all the Mancs are queuing up to defend Dalglish as they were Hodgson?

"The player's fault....the fan's fault.....Rafa's fault....the owner's fault...ad nauseum"
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Huh?

Circular logic if I've ever heard it.
 
Eyepopper said:
Evans played half the games in the leagues tightest defence last season and Smalling and Fabio are better options than Liverpool have in those positions.
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Not the point. They are not proven quality. Far from it.
 
Boss said:
:eek:!!!!! Owen wh...what?!

Hernandez is alot of potential, many players have scored in the world cup which aren't good, let him fulfil his potential before we start saying he's proven.


Like I said he's going on about it the right way
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Yeah, and so, back to you backing up your claim that Liverpool squad is far from crap
 
Sam.G said:
Not the point. They are not proven quality. Far from it.
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It is the point actually - the discussion was about whether Liverpool had good squad players and Boss suggested they did and that United's were no better.

Evans, Smalling and Fabio are all players who would clearly strengthen Liverpool's squad.
 
Sam.G said:
Not the point. They are not proven quality. Far from it.
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At this stage they're quality options to have in the squad. Something which Liverpool are severely lacking. Thats the point.
 
Eyepopper said:
At this stage they're quality options to have in the squad. Something which Liverpool are severely lacking. Thats the point.
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Fabio a quality option? Not for me, he isn't. If I see Fabio lining up at LB v Liverpool next week, I will be a happy man.

But this is not the point that I was countering.

The poster said those players were 'proven quality'. Whether they are better than their Liverpool equivalents is moot; they are not proven quality.
 
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