A Tribute to Roy Hodgson - his LFC legacy in quotes

Sam.G said:
I assume all the Mancs are queuing up to defend Dalglish as they were Hodgson?

"The player's fault....the fan's fault.....Rafa's fault....the owner's fault...ad nauseum"
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Theirs a big difference between Dalglish and Hodgson, the fans never got behind Hodgson and totally embrace Dalglish. And of course it's still partly Rafa's fault as he left behind the large majority of the squad. Owners not so much, but Dalglish hasn't had to go through a complete change in the board.

Let's put it this way, i think you would be in the exact same position you are in now if Hodgson had stayed.
 
Sam.G said:
Fabio a quality option? Not for me, he isn't. If I see Fabio lining up at LB v Liverpool next week, I will be a happy man.

But this is not the point that I was countering.

The poster said those players were 'proven quality'. Whether they are better than their Liverpool equivalents is moot; they are not proven quality.
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So let's forget Utd. Who are the quality squad players at Liverpool?
 
BaldwinLegend said:
It is the point actually - the discussion was about whether Liverpool had good squad players and Boss suggested they did and that United's were no better.

Evans, Smalling and Fabio are all players who would clearly strengthen Liverpool's squad.
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I didn't, I'm trying to convey that being of proven quality is a strange criteria, it's hard for many top sqauds/decent sides (which is Liverpool) to name proven quality players outside the first 11

and Evans, Smalling and Fabio are NOT of proven quality,certainly not yet

let the kids grow
 
It seems to be a disease amongst Liverpool managers to be so desperate to buy a player for a position that even if there aren't any good options available, they'll take a player that isn't good enough. Houllier did it, Benitez did it, Hodgson did it. I can think of so many examples, more than for any other club - Nunez, Pennant, Bellamy, Kuyt, Dossena, Riera, Keane, Poulsen, Konchesky, Kyrgiakos. You just can't do that as a transfer policy and stay competitive. If you can't get the class of player you want, you're almost always better off not buying, or perhaps buying a young player who might reach that level of class. Buying known quantities who don't look likely to cut it at the top level is not going to work.
 
Sam.G said:
Fabio a quality option? Not for me, he isn't. If I see Fabio lining up at LB v Liverpool next week, I will be a happy man.

But this is not the point that I was countering.

The poster said those players were 'proven quality'. Whether they are better than their Liverpool equivalents is moot; they are not proven quality.
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The original argument was a comparison of squad strength.

Boss tried to distort this by throwing the 'proven quality' aspect into it and you've bought heavily into that to continue to distort the argument.

Most of us will be happy to go on what we've seen and the fact that it's obvious to see that Fergie, a man rarely wrong on picking young players, has clear faith in their ability to go on and become big players.

It's all slightly irrelevant anyway - the list I posted clearly has far greater class, quality, experience and potential than any one outside Liverpool's first eleven which is what the discussion is actually about.

Instead of fannying around arguing whether Smalling is any good or not - or whether B9 even knows who he is - why not counter the argument in the only way you actually can, which is by making a case for any of your squad players?
 
Boss said:
I didn't, I'm trying to convey that being of proven quality is a strange criteria, it's hard for many top sqauds to name proven quality players outside the first 11

and Evans, Smalling and Fabio are NOT of proven quality,certainly not yet

let the kids grow
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Bullshit, but forget the 'proven' bit. Who do they have in reserve that's quality?
 
Eyepopper said:
So let's forget Utd. Who are the quality squad players at Liverpool?
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It's pointless.

I will say: "'A', 'B', 'C' and 'D'" and you will say: "you're having a laugh, they're crap" and we carry on.

Much like you think Fabio is quality and I don't. It's all subjective.

If the question is: "is Liverpool's squad crap?" My answer is "no". If the question is: "is Liverpool' squad weaker than Utd's?" My answer is "obviously, yes".

And even the answers to those questions are relative.
 
BaldwinLegend said:
Liverpool fans can say what they like but I bet they're starting to get a little bit worried beneath all the 'passion' and bluster for their legend - I wonder how long support will last for Dalglish if, in reality, he gets no better results than Hodgson did. So far, they're worse.
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So, if Ryan Giggs takes over from Fergie. Buys 4 or 5 quality players. Wins 3 titles in 5 years. & then goes onto winning another title with a team like Blackburn. You'd kick up a stink because your club brought him back to replace a bloke that has done next to nothing in the game. All because he'd been out of the game for a while, & had one bad season in football management.

& no. We're not in the slightest way worried about Kenny. We were worried about relegation a couple of months back though.
 
Boss said:
I didn't, I'm trying to convey that being of proven quality is a strange criteria, it's hard for many top sqauds to name proven quality players outside the first 11

and Evans, Smalling and Fabio are NOT of proven quality,certainly not yet

let the kids grow
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What the feck does that mean? 'Let the kids grow'?

The discussion, till you attempted to throw it off track, was about a comparison in squad strength.

Evans, Smalling and Fabio might still be waiting to prove their quality to you, but they're still far better options - even now, before I've 'let them grow' - than their equivalent numbers in the Liverpool squad.
 
BaldwinLegend said:
What the feck does that mean? 'Let the kids grow'?

The discussion, till you attempted to throw it off track, was about a comparison in squad strength.

Evans, Smalling and Fabio might still be waiting to prove their quality to you, but they're still far better options - even now, before I've 'let them grow' - than their equivalent numbers in the Liverpool squad.
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what the feck do do you think it means?!


To prove themselves, bloody hell!

they're aren't of proven quality, potential yes!
 
BaldwinLegend said:
Instead of fannying around arguing whether Smalling is any good or not - or whether B9 even knows who he is - why not counter the argument in the only way you actually can, which is by making a case for any of your squad players?
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It's pointless as, rather than spend time "fannying round arguing" whether Smalling is an good or not, we will spend time fannying round arguing whether Agger is. It's all subjective and heavily swayed by bias.

Bottom line for me is our squad isn't good enough to challenge for the top 4 and needs improving in several areas before it will be able to.
 
BaldwinLegend said:
You're a waste of time.

You've spent the last hour dancing around avoiding the hole you dug yourself into.

This is all in response to you saying Liverpool's squad is far from crap.

Prove it.
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I have, as stated they have a good enough first 11

they are a decent side which should have done alot better under Roy.
 
He had to deal with quite a few injury issues, but playing Merieles on the left was probably his most baffling decision.

BaldwinLegend said:
Round and round you go...

You said their SQUAD is far from crap, not their first 11.

So who, outside their first 11, is quality?
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Aurelio, Joe Cole, N'Gog, Jovanovic, Poulsen, Kyrgiakos.

Not saying they're world beaters but they've proven they can play at a high level.
 
Sam.G said:
It's pointless.

I will say: "'A', 'B', 'C' and 'D'" and you will say: "you're having a laugh, they're crap" and we carry on.

Much like you think Fabio is quality and I don't. It's all subjective.

If the question is: "is Liverpool's squad crap?" My answer is "no". If the question is: "is Liverpool' squad weaker than Utd's?" My answer is "obviously, yes".

And even the answers to those questions are relative.
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we don't need to discuss it Sam. You admitted some time ago that strength and depth are a problem at Liverpool.
 
BaldwinLegend said:
Round and round you go...

You said their SQUAD is far from crap, not their first 11.

So who, outside their first 11, is quality?
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far from crap, decent, meh

instead of discussing these slight discrepencies


let us get to the bone of the discussion, Liverpool should have done better under Roy and were not as crap he made them out to be, losing to the likes of Blackpool and Northampton at home.
 
Their squad is piss-poor, but earlier this week they were talking about top four.

I'm worried they might not even finish in the Europa League places - it would be shit if they missed out on the ignominy of Thursday Nights Channel 5.
 
I'm not worried about missing out in Europa League. I think a season without European football (as obviously we aren't getting CL now anyway) will do us no harm. It's not as if it will hinder the signing of players as they won't exactly be joining us purely for Europa League footy.

Oh, and our squad is paper thin. I would like to say it isn't but it is. On the plus side though we have a lot of quality younsters who will only get better and will fill out our squad next season - Kelly, Shelvey, Wilson, being the most recent additions. I'm not goign to start reaming off the younger ones as no-one really knows how they will turn out but the signs are very good for years to come.

Some sensible spending and a bit of pace added to the team in the summer and we will look a lot stronger next year. And before any of you glipes start, no I'm not saying "It's On!" for next year.
 
The Pool fans, who had to study tactics in order to try to understand Rafa's rotation policy and bizarre substitutions, used this tactical 'nous' to criticize Roy's tactics and player selection. However, when the 'King' plays weird formations and players out of position, Pool fans are oddly silent.
 
Think of it this way.

Uncle Woy would have got them around 6th to 10th place at the end. Dalglish would achieved the same. It's no slight on Dalglish though. He's got the same result as the LMA manager of the year last year. Just that both these managers are not to be blamed for the results.
 
I can't decide if missing out on Europa League will be good or bad for them. They realistically need to win it, or hope us/arsenal get City in the FA Cup final.
 
Twigginater said:
I can't decide if missing out on Europa League will be good or bad for them.
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Me neither.

For revenue, I imagine it will please the accountants but I am not sure it will go any toward attracting players, and that will be one issue this summer.
 
Sam.G said:
Me neither.

For revenue, I imagine it will please the accountants but I am not sure it will go any toward attracting players, and that will be one issue this summer.
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What you side needs this summer is shrewd buys. As Dortmund in Germany have shown being wise in the market can do wonders for a team. Rather than hoping to attract big names.
 
Sam.G said:
Our only option is shrewd buys though they always present a risk.
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All buys are a risk. The thing is shrewd buys are called shrewd, because you get what you need at a reasonable cost and they work for you immediately. Smalling and Hernandez of United are 2 great examples. Kagawa at Dortmund and Ozil of Madrid another.
 
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