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I can't remember from the books, but I'm sure in the show she was the one who was more dead against Ned going south?

In the first episode, when her and Ned were in bed and she said something like 'Listen fat man (Robert), I'm staying in Winterfell'? It's been a while since I read the first book so they could have altered that in the show.
 
akash02 said:
I don't think that's why she wanted Eddard to accept the job, it had something to with the letter from Lysa I think though I will have to crosscheck that.

Her having no clue about Joffrey is a shite point. She had no clue about Ned when she married him either. That's the way it was in Westeros. She was grief stricken with Bran. Understandable reaction and she did recover after. Her treatment of Jon is in all likelihood a lot better than most women in her position. Cersie wants none Robert's bastards anywhere near while Catelyn, although not liking Jon consents not only to having him at Winterfell but pretty much behaving like a Stark. Most of the time she just ignored him. The rest of her actions are stupid, not bitchy. Hating characters for being stupid..is well stupid in itself.
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Crosscheck away, while she wanted to know who murdered Jon Arryn, she wanted Sansa to be the queen. No, she knew about Eddard Stark, as she chose to marry Brandon Stark. She only had to marry Eddard Stark by the custom of Westeros, but it's a stretch to say she didn't knew him either. She was plainly being a vindictive bitch to Jon Snow. Littlefinger accused Cersei of murdering some baseborn children in Casterly Rock, which may or may not be true, but Gendry and other baseborn children lived in King's Landing. She was grief stricken, then she recovered and ran away to King's Landing abandoning Bran.

The point is Catelyn Stark gets away with 'motherly love'. You can't tell me who I can't hate, which again would be totally stupid. I didn't ask you to hate Catelyn. I don't like the character and I asked if anybody disliked it. Couple of them agreed, couple of them did not, which is fair enough. Go and cry in the corner if you want.
 
fishfingers15 said:
I don't think they'll give that away. Anybody resurrected so far? If they show that Cat is alive, then there will be a lot of speculation on who else could be revived.
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I'm pretty sure the season conclusion to Brienne's storyline, will be the reveal of lady stoneheart or a hooded figure wanting them hanged for a reveal next season, but won't have the same punch.
 
fishfingers15 said:
Crosscheck away, while she wanted to know who murdered Jon Arryn, she wanted Sansa to be the queen. No, she knew about Eddard Stark, as she chose to marry Brandon Stark. She only had to marry Eddard Stark by the custom of Westeros, but it's a stretch to say she didn't knew him either. She was plainly being a vindictive bitch to Jon Snow. Littlefinger accused Cersei of murdering some baseborn children in Casterly Rock, which may or may not be true, but Gendry and other baseborn children lived in King's Landing. She was grief stricken, then she recovered and ran away to King's Landing abandoning Bran.

The point is Catelyn Stark gets away with 'motherly love'. You can't tell me who I can't hate, which again would be totally stupid. I didn't ask you to hate Catelyn. I don't like the character and I asked if anybody disliked it. Couple of them agreed, couple of them did not, which is fair enough. Go and cry in the corner if you want.
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Cersei also had one of Robert's bastards killed and tried to get Gendry as well, don't forget. Cersei is a vile bitch, whatever angle you're looking at it from.

I also dislike Catelyn though. Her treatment of Jon Snow is pretty much unforgivable, considering she has (well, had, at that point) healthy and strong children of her own. She fecks up all the time as you outlined earlier, constantly makes bad decisions that endanger everyone. All in the name of love. You can see where Sansa got her "talents".
 
Cersei had all of Robert's bastards killed, except for the few she couldn't get to (Gendry, Mya, and Edric).
 
fishfingers15 said:
Crosscheck away, while she wanted to know who murdered Jon Arryn, she wanted Sansa to be the queen. No, she knew about Eddard Stark, as she chose to marry Brandon Stark. She only had to marry Eddard Stark by the custom of Westeros, but it's a stretch to say she didn't knew him either. She was plainly being a vindictive bitch to Jon Snow. Littlefinger accused Cersei of murdering some baseborn children in Casterly Rock, which may or may not be true, but Gendry and other baseborn children lived in King's Landing. She was grief stricken, then she recovered and ran away to King's Landing abandoning Bran.

The point is Catelyn Stark gets away with 'motherly love'. You can't tell me who I can't hate, which again would be totally stupid. I didn't ask you to hate Catelyn. I don't like the character and I asked if anybody disliked it. Couple of them agreed, couple of them did not, which is fair enough. Go and cry in the corner if you want.
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Nope. She listed numerous reasons for how Ned to go to Kings Landing and Sansa being queen was just one of them, not that there's anything wrong with wanting her daughter to be queen either. How is it a stretch to say she didn't know Ned? She hadn't even seen him let alone know anything about him. Cersie had one of Robert's bastard killed and kept the others at arms length. If Gendry hadn't been sent away he would have been killed as well. Catelyn's attitude towards, by Westeros standards (excluding Dorne) towards Jon was very good. She, by and large just completely ignored him. You're just chatting complete shite.

I think you'll find you're the one who's crying and throwing a hissy fit:lol:
 
Lastwolf said:
I'm pretty sure the season conclusion to Brienne's storyline, will be the reveal of lady stoneheart or a hooded figure wanting them hanged for a reveal next season, but won't have the same punch.
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Yea seems like it, like someone said, that instagram pic by Lena heavily points to this. TV viewers may like it though.

Siorac said:
Cersei also had one of Robert's bastards killed and tried to get Gendry as well, don't forget. Cersei is a vile bitch, whatever angle you're looking at it from.

I also dislike Catelyn though. Her treatment of Jon Snow is pretty much unforgivable, considering she has (well, had, at that point) healthy and strong children of her own. She fecks up all the time as you outlined earlier, constantly makes bad decisions that endanger everyone. All in the name of love. You can see where Sansa got her "talents".
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Pretty much, yea. Also don't forget, plenty of plotlines which show Lannisters as evil turn out to be Littlefinger as well :lol: Cersei was undeniably evil, because of her pride, her love towards her son and her hate for Tyrion. But Catelyn Tully, FFS all in the name of 'love and honor'

akash02 said:
Nope. She listed numerous reasons for how Ned to go to Kings Landing and Sansa being queen was just one of them, not that there's anything wrong with wanting her daughter to be queen either. How is it a stretch to say she didn't know Ned? She hadn't even seen him let alone know anything about him. Cersie had one of Robert's bastard killed and kept the others at arms length. If Gendry hadn't been sent away he would have been killed as well. Catelyn's attitude towards, by Westeros standards (excluding Dorne) towards Jon was very good. She, by and large just completely ignored him. You're just chatting complete shite.

I think you'll find you're the one who's crying and throwing a hissy fit:lol:
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Not sure, only you seem to think that Catelyn's attitude towards Jon Snow is very good. She was being a vindictive bitch, even when she had to bear Bran's situation on her mind. Probably time to read the books again?
 
fishfingers15 said:
Not sure, only you seem to think that Catelyn's attitude towards Jon Snow is very good. She was being a vindictive bitch, even when she had to bear Bran's situation on her mind. Probably time to read the books again?
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No, I didn't say that all. I was making a relative comparison between the treatment of bastards. Catelyn didn't like Jon and for the most part completely ignored him except for that one time Bran had gotten injured. And I'm not sure what else you expected. He was a bastard and constant reminder of her husband straying in his marriage. By Westeros standards her treatment of Jon was hardly bad let alone be a 'vindictive bitch'.
 
akash02 said:
No, I didn't say that all. I was making a relative comparison between the treatment of bastards. Catelyn didn't like Jon and for the most part completely ignored him except for that one time Bran had gotten injured. And I'm not sure what else you expected. He was a bastard and constant reminder of her husband straying in his marriage. By Westeros standards her treatment of Jon was hardly bad let alone be a 'vindictive bitch'.
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Okay, you are welcome to think whatever you want. If I type that one more time, Damien may put that as my tagline, but here goes 'Catelyn Tully is a bitch'.
 
Man Oberyn's death hurt more than it did in the book :(
 
I wish they'd shown the Mountain slowing down more and more because of the poison. But seriously, it was like a grape.
 
I'd say the fight was seriously underplayed, with less than 6 minutes of airtime, including the buildup to the battle. Probably because of Mountain and Red Viper's characters not built up as much the others. We had Arya laughing for 30 seconds at the death of Lysa, FFS.
 
Mountain kills Oberyn almost out of desperation, by killing him with a single blow when he was truly down and out. He doesn't spring up on top of Oberyn. This fight is like Bane getting killed by Cat Woman. Sorry, I didn't like it.
 
The fight was too short... But great none the less. Brilliant episode all around though.
 
Fight was maybe a bit too short but it was plenty awesome.

Think the writers (and the actor) did a good job with Oberyn. Only introduced this season but they managed to make him a fan favourite to the point where people are pissed off that he died. As with the books it seems like a waste of such an awesome character. He was so close too... :(
 
So is ASoS going into Season 5? If not, the next two episodes are going to be absolutely insane really, I mean episode 9 usually is but 8 and 10 aren't anyway near usually....I don't think theres enough bandwidth in the world to handle Game of Thrones murdering the internet 3 weeks in a row.

It's unbelievable how amazing they got Oberyn that I'm barely seeing much of the friend zone no more Jorah....which in anything other episode would create plenty of memes.
 
The fight seemed abit rushed to me, and it suffered because of it imo. I think the first Tyrion trial was much better, I'm glad they included the dialogue though. I'm worried they are going to try and cram too much into the next two episodes now.

Even the battle for the wall which covers numerous deaths, and three separate segments: The attack from South/North and then the attempt to make a pact with Mance/Stannis attack. That's alot to fit in even without deviating from the wall.
 
Oberyn's death was brutal. I liked that they kept in 'Some dead man!' and his teeth being shattered from that first punch.
 
I thought it was great. I can see why people would want it to last longer, but IMO much longer and it would just have been silly. You can only have people swinging a sword/spear about at full tilt for so long, even in fantasy.
 
Memory's hazy, but I'm pretty sure Arya and the Hound never made it to the Vale? Wonder what they're doing with that storyline.
 
I was worried that the "You raped her, you murdered her, you killed her children" lines wouldn't be as strong as they were in the books. I was wrong. Pedro Pascal did brilliantly. And the "who gave you the orders" one with the look at Tywin was great as well.

They could've showed the poison on the spear though. Thought that was fairly important. If I remember correctly, in the book we learn about it before the fight - someone sees that the edges are black or something like that.
 
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Zen said:
Nah, I think it's clear awe from Jaime, arrogance and confident added to the clear superior skills, it's exactly his style too. All I get from discussing best fighters in the series is that we should be given a Fighter game with them all, Dayne as the legendary unlock, called "Trial By Combat", sells itself really.
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Siorac said:
You might be on to something there. Though I think Rhaegar should be the ultimate unlock!
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From the other thread, who do you think will be the top swordsman in the history of westeros?

I think its between the sword of the morning,arthur dayne, or the smiling knight for me. Not sure how rhaegar has been presented in the tv series if they think he is close.

Am surprised a tv watcher knew about dayne though, unless he is referring someone else.
 
They changed the mountain's last lines and made 'em far less vulgar. Not sure why, I thought it worked better the other way.
 
Scarecrow said:
They could've showed the poison on the spear though. Thought that was fairly important. If I remember correctly, in the book we learn about it before the fight - someone sees that the edges are black or something like that.
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That would have been a bit too obvious, wouldn't it? Also, now there can be an "upside" to this when it is later revealed that the spear was poisoned, and that the Mountain dies.
 
Jesus fecking hell that was nasty. I mean I knew what was coming but that scene made me feel sick. Oberyn's scream when the mountain squashed out his eyes, fecking hell.

That being said I'm a bit curious by now of where they are going with the Arya story line. Will they just turn around and walk away? I'm she surely can't meet her sister or else the whole Bravos story arch will fall flat. I really hope they don't completely change her story line.
 
Mel_F said:
Memory's hazy, but I'm pretty sure Arya and the Hound never made it to the Vale? Wonder what they're doing with that storyline.
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Nah the hound was pretty much dead on his feet after the fight at the in and Arya took off alone from there and bought passage to Bravos with the coin she got from Syrio. I'm also quite curious on what the plan is for her and the hound. He still has that festering wound which she wanted to burn out and Arya mentions that he is getting slower so he might very well end up "dead" by the end of this season and maybe we see Arya sail off in the last episode.
 
MJJ said:
From the other thread, who do you think will be the top swordsman in the history of westeros?

I think its between the sword of the morning,arthur dayne, or the smiling knight for me. Not sure how rhaegar has been presented in the tv series if they think he is close.

Am surprised a tv watcher knew about dayne though, unless he is referring someone else.
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Just to clarify: I don't think Rhaegar is the top swordsman or fighter. But he's one of the most important characters of the entire saga even if he's dead by the time it starts. That's why he should be the ultimate unlock in a proposed fighting game. He's the biggest cult hero.

Also, Zen's a book reader, that's why he knows of Dayne.
 
Not sure how I feel about the Hound and Arya getting to the Vale. It wouldn't make sense for them to leave - surely the Hound could still get ransom money off someone else in the Vale who was allied with the Starks? And even if they couldn't, surely the guards at the Vale would feel some duty to stop the Hound and rescue Arya? Seeing that Lysa was her aunt.

I did like that laugh from Arya. It was hilarious, but at the same time, so chilling. She's had such a fecked up childhood.
 
The Arya and the Hound thing is odd for one reason: now that they've gone and revealed Arya's real name to the guards at the gate, word should get out - a lot of people heard them. How will the writers handle that, I wonder?

@Nickosaur It wouldn't make a lot of sense for them to stay at the Vale, either. They don't know Sansa is there and neither the Hound nor Arya have any reason to trust Littlefinger.
 
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