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Oh man the show is doing such a great job of making Oberyn the new favorite of many show watchers that the duel ending will be just as soul crushing as it was in the books. :lol:

This is going to be the next big shock moment for most of those who haven't read the books yet I smell another "red wedding" reaction video coming. :lol:
 
Niall said:
Guys if you don't start putting all images within spoiler tags in this thread and the other GOT thread, I'm gonna go on a banning spree the likes of which you have never seen :mad:
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Apologies, won't happen again.
 
Cina said:
Oberyn is ace, that was a great scene. The last three episodes are going to be a bloodbath, I can't wait for the reaction when they kill off so many favourite characters (Oberyn, Hound, Tywin).
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Hound ain't dead dude. Or at least, his death isn't confirmed and it's hinted that he's alive.
 
It won't be aired next Monday, will it?
 
It was a great episode and Tyrion, Oberyn were spectacular. But for the first time, I felt a bit let down because i know what's happening already. Cersei and the Mountain scenes were cheesy and made up. It's understandable though, they need to build up Mountain's character. It's incredibly sad that they didn't fully make use of Oberyn in the show. Mountain in the TV serial is not that important, Book readers felt liberated after Red Viper kills the Mountain and at the same time felt incredibly sad about the Red Viper. There's no Red viper, no Sand snakes etc etc, just Oberyn winning the battle for Tyrion. (Mountain's general cruelty and revenge for his sister is almost like a back story to the trial)

One of the best chapters in the book, maybe they'll do justice with the combat.
 
Cina said:
it's not hinted at for a while though, I'm sure the viewers will think he's dead.
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Yeah. He'll be left for dead, and so show watchers will assume he is. Or maybe not, they'll get a lesson about that very soon.
 
fishfingers15 said:
It was a great episode and Tyrion, Oberyn were spectacular. But for the first time, I felt a bit let down because i know what's happening already. Cersei and the Mountain scenes were cheesy and made up. It's understandable though, they need to build up Mountain's character. It's incredibly sad that they didn't fully make use of Oberyn in the show. Mountain in the TV serial is not that important, Book readers felt liberated after Red Viper kills the Mountain and at the same time felt incredibly sad about the Red Viper. There's no Red viper, no Sand snakes etc etc, just Oberyn winning the battle for Tyrion. (Mountain's general cruelty and revenge for his sister is almost like a back story to the trial)

One of the best chapters in the book, maybe they'll do justice with the combat.
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yeah, I think we can all agree they did a shite job with the mountain, it just won't have the same effect. His scene in that episode was stupid too, like a bleedin' WWE entrance (except gorier).
 
I think they've attempted to rectify the fact we don't get such a detailed insight into Oberyn's backstory and how likeable and intelligent he actually is by making him such a fan favourite with his epic scenes (brothels and then scaring people shitless) and great speeches. Sure, fans won't feel as vindicated or as distraught when the battle happens, but that's the issue with a tv show vs a book series.

Agreed about the Mountain, surely the first or the second casts were better.
 
They've messed up the Mountain since day one. They should have cast someone talented and not reduced his role in the first place . I don't see what they've gained by cutting him out so far. The fight was one of the highlights of the entire series and establishing the Mountain as a hated figure since the first season would have made it much more impactful. They should have had the foresight to see that. Now he just comes across as a random brute.
 
kps88 said:
They've messed up the Mountain since day one. They should have cast someone talented and not reduced his role in the first place . I don't see what they've gained by cutting him out so far. The fight was one of the highlights of the entire series and establishing the Mountain as a hated figure since the first season would have made it much more impactful. They should have had the foresight to see that. Now he just comes across as a random brute.
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They did have someone who perfectly fit the role but he fecked off to do the Hobbit and left them in the lurch. After that I guess it's hard to find 7ft+ people with colossal physiques who also happen to be actors. The latest guy is only 6 ft 9 which is far too short for the role, but at least he's got the physique and a little bit of the height.
 
Was reading the tv thread, and my heart stopped when someone mentioned Catelyn v2.0. Luckily it was totally unrelated.
...and I just realized that she's the outcast of the family, more so than Jon. Shes a Cat in a pack of wolves. I have to think about this :)

And how does inheritance work in Westeros. Is Petyr Baelish Lord of the Vale now? Or is it the young Robyn? Can't remember.
 
Maroon Lucifer said:
And how does inheritance work in Westeros. Is Petyr Baelish Lord of the Vale now? Or is it the young Robyn? Can't remember.
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Robyn's always been the Lord of the Vale since Jon Arryn died. Just his mother was the Lord Protector whilst he remained a kid, I think Baelish takes over that responsibility now. Petyr has no claim at all to the Eyrie.

duffer said:
I just realised, that's probably Bronn's last ever scene. :(
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Not unless he goes off gallivanting with Jaime which I reckon is what they will do as there's no Illyn Payne.
 
Ugh, dumb American holiday. Oh well.

Like others have said in regards to Gregor not being built up, it also doesn't help that the guy playing him despite being big doesn't even look menacing at all :lol:
At this point I'm now slightly looking forward to the Tywin-Tyrion scene more, should be good.

So I'm guessing Lady Stoneheart(she should have just stayed dead) should be in the last episode this season? I really hope they handle the reveal well, it has the potential to be one of the more memorable scenes if done right.
 
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And oh, someone in the TV thread writing the entire season off so far as filler :lol: We are not even at the filler-ish parts of the book yet, though I'm guessing the show will embelish stuff to reduce the "fillerish-ness"
 
Yeah he was taking the piss. The bit about it being called plot development implies that.
 
2 week break too


feck that fecking shit.
 
People are going to complain like hell at the next season unless they go completely off book. They already moan about this season and it's the best book.
 
FlawlessThaw said:
Robyn's always been the Lord of the Vale since Jon Arryn died. Just his mother was the Lord Protector whilst he remained a kid, I think Baelish takes over that responsibility now. Petyr has no claim at all to the Eyrie.
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I forget the spoiler rules so when in doubt:

Does the book mention who would be next in line to rule if Robyn dies?

If Baelish marries Sansa then he becomes lord of the North though, right? A that point he has dominion over the Lord of the Vale so he hardly needs to worry about taking that from Robyn.
 
Can't believe people are calling this a filler episode. There are no filler episodes in GoT, everything is moving to the conclusions GRRM wants, one way or the other. It's hardly like they did a fecking clip show. And I didn't get any sarcasm from Suli's post, Solius/Seveneric. I just think he's an insert offensive word here.
 
Lu Tze said:
Can't believe people are calling this a filler episode. There are no filler episodes in GoT, everything is moving to the conclusions GRRM wants, one way or the other. It's hardly like the did a fecking clip show. And I didn't get any sarcasm from Suli's post, Solius/Seveneric. I just think he's an insert offensive word here.
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It wasn't a filler episode for the book readers who knew what was happening. It surely can't be a filler episode for TV Watchers.
 
gooDevil said:
I forget the spoiler rules so when in doubt:

Does the book mention who would be next in line to rule if Robyn dies?

If Baelish marries Sansa then he becomes lord of the North though, right? A that point he has dominion over the Lord of the Vale so he hardly needs to worry about taking that from Robyn.
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I thought all book spoilers were allowed here? In any case:

The next in line to rule is Harrold Hardyng - "Harry the Heir". And the Vale is not under the dominion of the North, it's one of the Seven Kingdoms
 
Lu Tze said:
Can't believe people are calling this a filler episode. There are no filler episodes in GoT, everything is moving to the conclusions GRRM wants, one way or the other. It's hardly like the did a fecking clip show. And I didn't get any sarcasm from Suli's post, Solius/Seveneric. I just think he's an insert offensive word here.
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If people thought this episode was filler, well feck me they can watch something else. I can maybe see their point with some of the episodes this season (I don't agree, I'm with you in that every almost scene is fascinating in its own way), but this episode had some massive scenes.
 
They have ruined Clegane's character more than Stannis. The fight was a highlight of the entire series and actually he is a big favorite for the fight. Oberyn (almost) winning comes a bit of a surprise, and Overyn actually not only defeating him but totally toying with him during the entire fight was done great. A normal sized womanizer who wants vengeance for his sister totally destroying the strongest, one of the best fighters on the Seven Kingdoms who happens to be almost 8 feet tall and is probably the most evil person alive. He was portrayed even as more evil than Joffrey, and him being so near his death but in the end still killing Oberyn was so devastating, more than the other big deaths on the series (Ned, Drogo, Cat and Robb).

Now after they had 2 other actors on first two seasons, they gave the role to a young boy (20 or so years younger than the character should be) who has never acted before. And because most of the TV shows viewers have almost forgot about him they decided to show that he is a badass by showing him kill a few people who couldn't even fight. The cheesiest thing that has happened on the TV show.

ON the other side, they have done brilliantly with Oberyn, which I think will make viewers care for the fight a bit more than will Tyrion live or not. I don't think that it will have the effect that the Red Wedding had (which on the books it had) but still people will be upset with Oberyn's death. He will be missed after the next season. Would love to read a spin off book about his travels on Essos.
 
Nickosaur said:
If people thought this episode was filler, well feck me they can watch something else. I can maybe see their point with some of the episodes this season (I don't agree, I'm with you in that every almost scene is fascinating in its own way), but this episode had some massive scenes.
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Yep, strange.

It was one of the best episodes on the entire series. On my top 5 with the three ninth episodes and the first episode of the show. It was IMO better than the Joffrey's death episode which while a great one, was boring until the last 20 minutes. Here, (almost) every scene was important, with Tyrion three scenes being on the top but also Petyr being excellent. I even didn't mind Jon's, Daenerys and Brianne's scenese. Hound and Arya were great too, although after this injury it seems that the end for Hound is near. It'll be either on the next or in the ninth episode when he 'dies'.
 
I'll be honest, I was pretty surprised when I discovered how much people were affected by the scene in the books. It was only ever going one way.

It's strange how different parts of the books stick out so much to different people. I've seen in some corners of the internet people throwing a wobbler over 'your sister' instead of 'only Cat'. I couldn't have told you what the line was in the books.
 
Viper's death will piss everyone off, but what's even better is they're also going to think that Tyrion is finished. :lol:
 
Looks from it that the wildlings attack Mole's Town, as they did in the books but Gilly is there and the trailer shows Sam crying. Gilly and the child are a pretty important part of Sam's storyline. Wonder how that will play out.
 
Solius said:
Looks from it that the wildlings attack Mole's Town, as they did in the books but Gilly is there and the trailer shows Sam crying. Gilly and the child are a pretty important part of Sam's storyline. Wonder how that will play out.
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Scrumpet said:
I'll be honest, I was pretty surprised when I discovered how much people were affected by the scene in the books. It was only ever going one way.

It's strange how different parts of the books stick out so much to different people. I've seen in some corners of the internet people throwing a wobbler over 'your sister' instead of 'only Cat'. I couldn't have told you what the line was in the books.
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Before the fight started (and knowing that GRRM is the most evil person ever) yes, but then on the fight Oberyn completely dominates the fight and all like him and hate Gregor so we thought that after Joffrey's death is time for the baddies to lose again. And then Oberyn behaved a bit cocky and boom, he dies. I was more devastated than when the stupid Catelyn and her lame wanna be king son died a hundred pages before.

'Only Cat' was a classic. Together with 'Winter is coming', 'where do whores go', 'Giant of Lannister' and 'Lord Tywin Lannister did not, in the end, shit gold' are the most memorable lines from the show. They already changed two of these lines, and while not a big loss still I would have preferred if they kept them as they were.
 
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