A northmen should rule the Nord, which maybe would rule out Manderley (he is an Andal, not a First Men). However, I would go for one of Stannis/Davos cause they have forces and if they defeat Boltons and promise to bring Rickon as the Lord of Winterfell, I guess that Northmen will accept that offer.
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A northmen should rule the Nord, which maybe would rule out Manderley (he is an Andal, not a First Men). However, I would go for one of Stannis/Davos cause they have forces and if they defeat Boltons and promise to bring Rickon as the Lord of Winterfell, I guess that Northmen will accept that offer.
Manderley is a Northman (and the richest one at that). They have been living in the North for generations. Stannis wants the Iron Throne, he won't waste his time babysitting Rickon and Davos is too lowborn and a southerner.
Well, they have been there for thousands of years but I think it is mentioned that they aren't considered Northmen. However he is loyal to Starks because when other people of Westeros wanted to kill Manderleys, Starks gave them lands and protection. Likely an irrelevant detail.
Stannis wants the Iron Throne, but he needs the North for that. The only way to get the North is by Rickon. Stannis defeats the Boltons, Davos finds and returns Rickon (as he made the deal with Manderley) and then The North will follow Stannis.
The Maderley's are Northmen but not First men. Opposite to how the Blackwoods are not Northerners but First men.
Aye, but the Northern lords won't accept him as the Lord Protector. And Stannis' plan will be to march south to take the throne not sit and counsel Rickon. He'll receive help either way.
Aren't you a TV Watcher and not a book reader? You don't mind spoilers?
Nope, am cool like that.
Nice
personally I thunk it's wrong but am not suppose to be one of the most evil characters in thr show. It just felt too tame compared to what he is capable. They should show him killing the queen(can't remembwr her name, Elia something ) and kid years ago. That will send the message.
I actually read all the books before the first season began. I dont always follow the tv series so ask questions regarding how something was shown. Otherwise stick to this thread. I think that gave you the wrong impression.
My initial point was that as a knight he is used to killing and I expect any knight to kill without showing remorse. Debating the morality of killing prisoners when ordered by the king is different.
Plus they can do so much more to show him as a figure of hate. I cant see people wanting him dead ala joffrey while that was definitely my feeling while reading.
The Mountain wasn't just killing random prisoners. He was killing lowborns who requested trial by combat. I think. Or he was executing death sentences in his own creative fashion. They could have put a flashback in of him raping/murdering Oberyn's sister and her kids, though I'm not sure if vicious baby killing is allowed on TV? Probably not.
They should release one episode online only showing his acts as mentioned in the books before the fight.
Just accidentally posted that the battle at the wall is going to be episode 9 and then realised I said that in the tv thread. Stupid me.
Deleted it in time I think. Suli had quoted me too.
Deleted it in time I think. Suli had quoted me too.
Ban yourself. Or Ban Cina, this thread title is causing us nightmares.
Tell the TV viewers that if they really do not want spoilers then they best avoid discussing the show on the internet at all. It is a risk they take.
Just post all the spoilers then they can never be spoiled again.
It's obvious from who is directing that episode as well, the last time he directed GoT was the blackwater episode in season 2, which is promising!
Edit: Not that this is actually obvious at all
Edit: Not that this is actually obvious at all
I just don't feel there's been enough a build to the battle at the wall for episode 9. The whole Jon Snow/Wall arc has been largely ignored this season. Unless they have the trial by combat in episode 9 as well. But that leaves another filler episode.
What build up does it really need? They've talked about the looming threat of the wildlings in every scene at the Wall this season.
Surely the entire Jon Snow plot of season 3 counts as build up to the battle. Plus the scene in the village near the wall did a good job of reminding/showing how vicious some of the wildlings can be.
Ser Alliser's going to take Donal Noye's role. Jon asking him whether he's ever seen a giant sets that up perfectly. It'll be epic.
I'm looking for to Janos Slynt losing his head.
I've forgotten the chronology of Jon's storyline. Does he become Lord Commander after the battle?
I've forgotten the chronology of Jon's storyline. Does he become Lord Commander after the battle?
yes its shortly after the battle
Yeah I think so, he turns down the offer that stannis makes [Lord of Winterfell etc]. In the books I'm sure it's a protracted event though with a formal vote, and there are other challengers for it but Sam manages to help him win the votes. I imagine it'll be a lot simpler in the show, I can't even remember what happens to Slynt in the books, need to read them again
That was meant to say looking forward. Bloody ipad.
That would spoil the whole Aegon storyline i think. What's everyone take on him? Mummers dragon or a real Targ? Personally I would like it if he was actually Elias kid though I feel it'll end up otherwise. Adds another big player to the story and how Danyreas reacts in particular would be very fascinating.
Ehh? Alliser Thorne is anything but heroic like Donal Noye. I'll cut one of my fingers and throw it at the TV if it happens.
Of course he's not but there is no-one else to fill Noye's role, to give Jon command of the wall while defending the gate from the giant. Who else could it be?
Maybe nobody? Maybe Jon will just do it by himself? But to be frank I don't really remember how the battle played out, it's been a while, so I'm not sure if it works with Donal Noye/somebody playing similar roles completely cut out.
That line "have you seen a giant" or whatever is classic foreshadowing, it'll be Alliser.
Between, why did the swapped the positions of Allister and Janos. On the books, Janos was the guy who took command of the wall, prisoned Jon for a short time and mistreated him even more than Ser Allister. And then was one of the favorites to win the election. And of course, claimed that the king beyond the wall is now scared that Janos Slynt has taken command of the wall.
Slynt lost his head why again?
Jon orders him to go man another castle and he refuses.
Yeah, I could definitely see them have Thorne die a hero in the battle and then let Slynt pick up the role as Jon's adversary for the elections afterwards.
I mean something has to happen to Thorne so Jon can take command during the fighting right?
I mean something has to happen to Thorne so Jon can take command during the fighting right?
Yep, I'd agree with that. I don't see why they wouldn't give Thorne a hero's death. This isn't exactly the sort of material where every hero has a grand showing and every villain has a pitiful end. No character is completely bad. Except for Joffrey. And Ramsay.
I loved the part when Jon had enough and just lopped of Slynt's head. Am I right in saying Stannis was present when Jon did this, and was impressed with his actions?
The Mountain?
He seemed to approve, at the very least. Stannis likes Jon, that much is obvious.
Yep.
However I liked more the dialogue between Stannis and Slynt during the election. It goes something like Slynt hoping that Stannis will back him to win, and Stannis says to him that Slynt wants Stannis to say that he should be the Lord Commander. Slynt replies something like 'who'll be better than the man who commanded the City watch to become Lord Commander'. Stannis replies something like 'everybody'.