It was horrible. The less said the better.
Books A Song of Ice and Fire (Books) | TV show? What TV show?
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I feel we are in a weird situation re spoilers for the TV show atm.
Personally I've read the first three books but just couldn't get into the fourth book so stopped there to see how it plays out on TV.
Some people are hyper sensitive to potential spoilers and seem to jump on anyone who make speculative predictions. Until the shit storm in the TV thread I hadn't been in this thread to avoid spoilers from book three onwards, so now I'm in a situation where I'm not sure where I can go to discuss the show. I don't want to banned for spoiling the series (although I would never explicitly post book spoilers).
Personally I feel that if you are willing to go into a thread about a TV show you have to expect speculation which may potentially spoil something.
Personally I've read the first three books but just couldn't get into the fourth book so stopped there to see how it plays out on TV.
Some people are hyper sensitive to potential spoilers and seem to jump on anyone who make speculative predictions. Until the shit storm in the TV thread I hadn't been in this thread to avoid spoilers from book three onwards, so now I'm in a situation where I'm not sure where I can go to discuss the show. I don't want to banned for spoiling the series (although I would never explicitly post book spoilers).
Personally I feel that if you are willing to go into a thread about a TV show you have to expect speculation which may potentially spoil something.
It was a shite scene. I liked how Theon was screaming 'My name is Reek!' over and over, but that was it. The only bad point of that episode for me, I really enjoyed the rest.Anyway I posted in the wrong thread.
What do you all make of Asha scene.
I think it was ridiculous.
How retarded was it when Ramsey just stood there, basically naked, with only two knives, and just jumping into a group of 4/5 heavily armoured men with swords? What risk that? At least put some sort of armour on you dick. All it would take is someone to stab him while he's fighting someone else and he's dead. I get that they're trying to put across that he's a psychopath (and the way he dispatched those Greyjoys, a pretty brutal fighter) but considering he is Roose's heir, why risk getting killed like that?
You just need to avoid getting involved in any speculation or discussions in the TV thread and you'll be grand. Just stick to commenting on the actual episodes, acting or whatever and nobody will even know you've read the books. They only really notice people who start posting too much information or get involved in character discussions.
Kind of awkward for anyone who's in the process of reading them but I guess there's no way around that. Still, the TV show will have caught up with you before too long anyway.
It's a bit odd that you were not able to get into the 4th book too. Super read
Exactly, even after that ridiculous fight Asha could have killed him at least 2 times, he even turned his back on her while he was opening the cages, she could have thrown an axe, knife, stab him, whatever, but no she just stood there. And on top of that next scene we see her fleeing, and we don't know why.. I doubt she fleed because of a pack of dgos, an
And that scene, what was even the purpose of it.. Some of the changes in the series were all right but this one was completely stupid and unnecessary.
The rest of the episode was really good, especially the Tyrion part.
I hope we'll see a proper fight between the Red Viper and the Mountain and that it will las more than 5 seconds.
Disagree with this. Anyone who's read that far into the books shouldn't be contributing to the TV thread with plot discussions and theories, simple as. Wibble will just thread ban them anyway.
Plus, everyone has been noticed eventually, in fact, they'll see just by the fact that he's posted in here.
What's this theory about the hound? I always assumed he had gone the way of the dodo.
This paragraph from when Pod and Brienne are in a monastery near the Trident may imply that he's alive:
They passed a dozen brothers of the order on their way up; cowled men in dun-and-brown who gave them curious looks as they went by, but spoke no words of greeting. One was leading a pair of milk cows towards a low barn roofed in sod; another worked a butter churn. On the upper slopes they saw three boys driving sheep, and higher still they passed a lichyard where a brother bigger than Brienne was struggling to dig a grave. From the way he moved, it was plain to see that he was lame. As he flung a spadeful of the stony soil over one shoulder, some chanced to spatter against their feet. "Be more careful there," chided Brother Narbert. "Septon Meribald might have gotten a mouthful of dirt." The gravedigger lowered his head. When Dog went to sniff him he dropped his spade and scratched his ear."
One of the brothers replied to Brienne (I think) stating that "Sandor Clegane is dead" by saying "He is at rest", leading many to believe he's not dead after all.
Another aspect which feeds into this theory from the most recent books is:
Most believe Cersei's champion Robert Strong to be a zombie-esque Mountain. Thus, some people think that the Faith will choose Sandor (if he lives) to represent them in her trial by combat, and that the Valonquar/little brother who undoes Cersei as mentioned in her prophecy is actually him, rather than Tyrion as Cersei expected.
I think it's a solid theory, there'd be no other reason to specifically mention a huge, limping gravedigger that I can see.
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Nah, don't buy that. If Sandor is the gravedigger then the whole point of him being alive is that he's moved from his life's aim of wanting to kill his brother and is finally at peace. Him coming to fight his brother again after all that would be rather pointless.
Maybe you're right, but I just can't shake the feeling that if he is actually alive, GRRM has kept him alive for a reason. Perhaps there is a much better reason I'm just not seeing.
That's what I meant. Don't get involved in any speculation, plot discussion, theories, character discussions or whatever, just stick to "this was a good episode, X is a crap actor" type comments.
I'm sure many go in with those intentions but ultimately fail.
My wife went off on another "Why don't one of his kids just kill him rants" about Tywin, after the show the other night. I am doing my best to remain stone face about it. Basically I put it down to maybe they all think any power they have , their safety etc all comes from Tywin, sp despite them all getting abuse from him they put up with it.
I think she might be one of the few show watchers who will actually be happy when Tywin gets it.
I think she might be one of the few show watchers who will actually be happy when Tywin gets it.
Must be hard to shut up when you know what's going to happen? Don't think I would have the restraint to watch almost 4 seasons and say nothing!
Whats wrong with calling this thread just "A song of ice and fire". The title for both threads are too big and look weird.
People might venture in by mistake, not immediately realising this is about the source material of Game of Thrones.
It doesnt mention GOT in the title anyway, those who dont know(doubt anyone is that oblivious) will make the mistake anyway.
changed the title.
the TV thread should really be updated too to say "Book readers STAY OUT" instead of that silly exclamation mark crap at the end, but I can't do that.
the TV thread should really be updated too to say "Book readers STAY OUT" instead of that silly exclamation mark crap at the end, but I can't do that.
You have the most complicated thread titles ever, Cina.
As complicated as our love.
Actually thought this was the tv thread after glancing at the new title and seeing TV.
the TV show is much better than the books at the minute for me
it was a bit stupid for me to split books by geography - the story flows much better chronologically
it was a bit stupid for me to split books by geography - the story flows much better chronologically
Yeah I don't know why you did it.
Well the TV show is still about Storm of Swords. Which is the best book by far. We'll see how the show handles the next two books...
you have my apologies
thats what I'm thinking
at the minute the reek storyline isn't until a feast for crows is it?
The reek storyline is from the dance.
it makes you wonder did he add Theon/Reek back into the story as an afterthought
Who, GRRM or the show runners?
Don't think it was a afterthought by GRRM. The Theon story was happening in the background though we only found about it in the 5th book.
I always thought the problem was both thread titles contain the words "book" and "TV". Fair play to you mods though, really going overboard trying to sort this out. I would have given up ages ago and just said "anyone wanting to discuss the show should accept the risk of some idiot spoiling it for you."
Going back to the books, what do you guys think GRRM has planned for Theon? It's certainly not one of the questions I'm desperate to find out, but surely he will serve some sort of purpose?
Nothing complicated about it. I hate you. I love you.
I'm kind of curious on that one. Most major characters seem to be building up to a larger relevance and purpose in the final couple of books, but I've got no idea what role Theon will play.
Does any body know why the Brotherhood Without Banners haven't appeared so far? Obviously they have have a part to come with Stoneheart but it's almost like the show wants us to forget about them until then?
It wouldn't shock me in the least, if in the very end it turns out that the Ice Zombies are the good guys and the Red God is the bad guy. I know GRRM likes to stay away from painting people "Good" or "Evil", but the narrative has already painted the Ice Zombies as pretty much straight up "evil" but that narrative is tinted through the Stannis thread.
Perhaps Dany and her dragons will prove to be the bad guys. She seems the type to go a bit mental, so who knows.
Do you mean that they haven't appeared this season?
If the White Walkers are the good guys it is going to make an interesting reveal especially considering all the effort over the centuries to buidl and maintain the wall. So far we are led to believe the wall was built to keep out some ancient evil, but instead it might have been for evil to keep the good guys at bay. Essentially it would show that man was the evil, not his gods , since most in the south do not follow the Red God, but the Seven.
Obviously the others serve some purpose. Perhaps they come back when mankind is losing his way, they thin the herd so to speak, culling out the evil to give the good a chance. Certainly right now Westeros is messed up and pretty much all of that comes down to the plans of men (and women) who are only looking to gain power for selfish reasons. The people might need some sort of savior right now.
Obviously the others serve some purpose. Perhaps they come back when mankind is losing his way, they thin the herd so to speak, culling out the evil to give the good a chance. Certainly right now Westeros is messed up and pretty much all of that comes down to the plans of men (and women) who are only looking to gain power for selfish reasons. The people might need some sort of savior right now.
I don't think they can show the BWB at this stage without revealing Lady Stoneheart who I imagine won't even be shown until the very last scene of this season (at a guess)