feck it, White Walkers are the league of shadows. Liam Neeson FTW
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feck it, White Walkers are the league of shadows. Liam Neeson FTW
Since bad challenges weren't enough, Pepe upped the ante with fire in El Clasico.
That's not Daenerys, that's Legolas.
Is there a difference in the two? Other than one you want to see naked and the other is in Game of Thrones?
Well Legolas would probably make a better king than Dany would a queen 
Boy will they be surprised when Tyrion, Arya, Victarion (if he ever shows up, which he must since he'd make a fantastic TV character) and probably Moonboy for all I know end up in Essos.
So, fellow book readers, do you feel that Emilia Clarke is a bad actress, or just saddled with a bad plot/dialogue? Personally I think she portrays Dany very well, but she seems to get a lot of criticism in the show thread.
I think people get annoyed when the action switches from Westeros to Essos simply because the action is slower over there. Her story arc is going at a much slower pace than the other POV characters in the show. I know sometimes when I watch it and it cuts to her in Essos im wondering whats happening to Tyrion or the Hound. Emilia is a good actress though and she is gorgeous too
Yeah tbf I shouldn't have said bad plot, it's just much slower and less clear, not neccesarily worse. It's all obviously building up to something, but I think even GRRM admitted he wrote himself into a bit of a hole with the Dany plot.
She's doing ok but I always found Dany's plot a little boring. I think GRRM introduced the dragons too early or hasn't gotten them to grow fast enough. I think we all await the return of Dany and when she's plodding along in the different cities it can be frustrating.
I don't think she's a great access, particularly not this season, but then this is around the point where I started to really dislike her in the books. So I'm not sure it's bad plot or dialogue either, she's just not that great of a person.
the problem is without the dragons, where is she? Once Khal Drogo died and his army broke up it was the dragons that were essential to gaining most of the followers/help she has. Without the dragons, no unsullied army for her. If they grew fast into these immense beasts then the story is over in a book or two isn't it? She shows up in Westeros with three huge dragons that nobody can stop, guess who wins?
There really is not much choice for her but the path she is taking. Here Army is not yet big enough to rampage over Essos and gain her the fleet she needs to move her army.
Her story was never going to be quick.
Needs more Belwas and fighting pits.
I think the main problem with Dany is that everything she's doing is leading further and further away from Westeros, not closer to it. I don't really care about her ruling Meereen, it seems to serve no purpose other than her getting plowed by Daario and learning how to rule (and failing at it). I don't see why GRRM has to throw her on such a huge tangent away from everything in order to do that.
Dany's progression should've seen her get closer and closer to Westeros as the dragons grew but we've actually seen pretty much the opposite of that and it may as well be its own crappy side-book at now.
Yeah I agree with all that but I understand why folk may not be too keen on here storyline. I think any actress would be getting the same citicism but the plot just hangs a bit.
That's why it needs fighting pits and Belwas. People will be distracted by that instead of concentrating on the stalling plot.
distance wise yes further away, but perhaps overall it is getting her closer to reaching her goal even if the distance will be longer.
Yeah definitely. People don't want to see Dany struggle with ruling and all the problems it brings. Much rather watch a fight to the death with Belwas or some sort of ninja school with Ser Barristan. Then we can get an episode where she claims her fleet when the dragons are huge and robert's your fathers brother!
I think it comes down to manipulation? The Old Gods are probably the White Walkers and they are largely non-interventionist. They vanish for thousands of years and only show up once in awhile. Why? The Red God has said essentially through Melisandra that there are only two gods (The seven are an invention). The Red God is also a militant and proselytizing god or at least his followers are (which he seems to pretty much have direct control over). However the power of the Red God also seems to wax and wane the same way the White Walkers do, and the same way Dragons do. Obviously one of the primary themes is that "magic is returning".
Basically, it is a war between the Red God and the White Walkers (Old Gods maybe?) with man in the middle. There is clearly something very sinister about the Red God and his agents. Using shadows for assassinations and what not. As of yet, we haven't really seen anything exceedingly sinister about the White Walkers, other than their appearance, their zombie minions and they tend to massacre people on their turf.
I think you're basically correct though, it is about perception. The Starks and their ancestors and their people have faced the White Walkers first hand in the past. Their first hand experience leads them to see the Others as evil. They are also told the White Walkers are evil by other religions, not least of which is the religion of the Red God. It is all about manipulating man to their own needs. The reason why I say it wouldn't shock me if the White Walkers turned out to be the good guys, is that they might be the lesser of two evils. It might be that the Red God provokes the White Walkers to drive south into Westeros because the Red God is launching a crusade against them. Without the provocation caused by the Red God, the White Walkers might just keep chilling out in their frozen kingdom stealing the odd baby!
I think people are distracted here. The war of the 7 kings is a distraction. It is designed to lead you down the wrong path. The real story here is the Red God versus the White Walkers. It is just setting the table for the real story.
IMHO the reason Daenerys is on ice, is because she, her army and her dragons will not enter Westeros as conquerors, but as saviors. They will come in not to fight the Lannisters or the Tyrells or the Greyjoys or the Boltons. She will come in to save them.
Finished Storm Of Swords, albeit having skipped Dani's chapters for now, have I missed much?
Other than her taking over Slavers bay, not much but I'd still read them to know about Jorah.
Bit disappointed with the changing of the line, "only Cat." Now a few other lines are definitely up for alteration (looking at Tyrion's revenge).
Aidan Gillen was much better this time I felt. Not nearly as over-the-top as in previous episodes but creepy as hell. Which he should be.
Wow, that was a great episode. The scene between Tyrion and Oberyn was brilliantly done and did justice to the books. Gillen was great at the end as well. Perfect combination of creepy and mysterious. Nice addition of Hot Pie.
The last 3 episodes are going to be brilliant.
Looks like they are going to completely skip over Jorah's plot though.
The last 3 episodes are going to be brilliant.
Looks like they are going to completely skip over Jorah's plot though.
I thought that was excellent, but I'm not too hung up on the "only cat" line, was more worried about Aidan not being able to pull it off, but he did. Can't wait for the next episode, the reaction in the TV thread will be amusing, I just hope they make the death as brutal as it was in the books. I also hope they capture the agony the Mountain goes through afterwards as well, I've always liked the theory that Oberyn let the Mountain kill him to make sure he suffered the effects of the poison, and for other more political motives.
Reading the TV show thread there are going to be some very, very upset people in a few weeks. Not just with Oberyn's upcoming battle and that outcome but I think we just saw the Hound get the wound that will doom him (or at least take him out of the Arya storyline). I can not wait. They are going to spaz.
Oberyn and Tyrion scene was great. Dinklage's acting when Oberyn was telling him about Cersei was brilliant. Pedro Pascal is superb too. Shame he has to go.
I don't like the way they've set it up with the Hound and Shae. Both characters being killed off will seem cold blooded. In the books The Hound was a lot more aggressive, and Shae just used Tyrion for money. In the show, the Hound is a bit more sympathetic and Shae seems to be more of a victim than manipulative.
+Tyrion's scenes with Jaime, Bronn and especially Oberyn.
+Arya killing Rorge, the Hound recalling his burning
+The Eyrie. Littlefinger is a fecking badass.
+Even though they aren't particularly thrilling scenes, I enjoy Brienne and Pod together. Hot Pie!
+Visually, Gregor seems the part.
-That Dragonstone scene. Didn't really see the point of it/ had no interest in it whatsoever. Melisandre and her potions (OH MY GOD DON'T TOUCH THAT ONE!) made me cringe.
-They way they've introduced Gregor back. Yes, we heard Oberyn's account of the Elia rape/murder, and Sandor's burning story again, which were nice touches. But the first time we see him this season and he's just randomly killing people? They should have had one or two scenes of him burning the Riverlands/whereever he's been throughout the season, and just generally being a cnut, to remind casual viewers why no one wants to enter a trial by combat with this psychopath. Seemed a bit forced.
+Arya killing Rorge, the Hound recalling his burning
+The Eyrie. Littlefinger is a fecking badass.
+Even though they aren't particularly thrilling scenes, I enjoy Brienne and Pod together. Hot Pie!
+Visually, Gregor seems the part.
-That Dragonstone scene. Didn't really see the point of it/ had no interest in it whatsoever. Melisandre and her potions (OH MY GOD DON'T TOUCH THAT ONE!) made me cringe.
-They way they've introduced Gregor back. Yes, we heard Oberyn's account of the Elia rape/murder, and Sandor's burning story again, which were nice touches. But the first time we see him this season and he's just randomly killing people? They should have had one or two scenes of him burning the Riverlands/whereever he's been throughout the season, and just generally being a cnut, to remind casual viewers why no one wants to enter a trial by combat with this psychopath. Seemed a bit forced.
Awesome episode. Although "only Cat" was my favourite line. Disappointed they cut it.
Here it is in GIF form.
Guys if you don't start putting all images within spoiler tags in this thread and the other GOT thread, I'm gonna go on a banning spree the likes of which you have never seen
Why on Earth they cut 'only Cat'?
Guys if you don't start putting all images within spoiler tags in this thread and the other GOT thread, I'm gonna go on a banning spree the likes of which you have never seen
Why do images need to be in spoiler tags?
Because I regularly review newly posted images across the site to ensure they are SFW and this is about the third time I've seen a spoiler from GOT before I've watched the episode. Capiche?
Fantastic episode. Everything is just getting better and better. Dinklage simply can do no wrong and this latest scene with Viper (who is also very good) is one of his many great performances. I also thought the scene with Sansa on snow was one of the most beautiful they've made so far. Very sad too.
Here's the preview of episode 8. I just can't wait to see that fight.
Here's the preview of episode 8. I just can't wait to see that fight.
Oberyn is ace, that was a great scene. The last three episodes are going to be a bloodbath, I can't wait for the reaction when they kill off so many favourite characters (Oberyn, Hound, Tywin).