I enjoyed the latest episode, but I'm still waiting for my fix since the second one. The past three episodes have been a bit underwhelming by the shows standards.
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I actually thought some of the changes they've made from the book (Locke, Karl, Bran and Jon's detour to Craster's, Bronn & Jamie, etc.) have been some of the best things about this season. Declining quality in the show might be a problem but it's nothing compared to the declining quality of the source material they're gonna have to deal with.
Truth is they're better off changing quite a bit from now on as faithfully following the plotline of AFFC would be a death sentence for the show. Beyond that, someone like Bran's storyline has to be stretched out as much as it can as there's very little left to run before they overtake the books.
I think the difficulty they're having pacing the show is telling but they're doing their best to make it work. Unfortunately that means a lot of characters have end up doing very little as the writers wait for the right time to progress their story. Bran, Theon, Danaerys, Arya, Stannis and a few others have all been in that limbo at one point or another. It's hard to make doing nothing interesting, no matter how good a writer you are.
Danaerys will soon be as insufferable as in the books though, unless they radically overhaul the way her storyline develops. There is a serious lack of charisma in that plot strand.
Truth is they're better off changing quite a bit from now on as faithfully following the plotline of AFFC would be a death sentence for the show. Beyond that, someone like Bran's storyline has to be stretched out as much as it can as there's very little left to run before they overtake the books.
I think the difficulty they're having pacing the show is telling but they're doing their best to make it work. Unfortunately that means a lot of characters have end up doing very little as the writers wait for the right time to progress their story. Bran, Theon, Danaerys, Arya, Stannis and a few others have all been in that limbo at one point or another. It's hard to make doing nothing interesting, no matter how good a writer you are.
Danaerys will soon be as insufferable as in the books though, unless they radically overhaul the way her storyline develops. There is a serious lack of charisma in that plot strand.
It's falling into all the inevitable pitfalls, you only need to wander into the show only thread to realise that the overall plotlines are becoming lost on many people who haven't read the books. It completely dilutes scenes such as Lysas confession if you don't even remember who John Arryn was. I think as the show expands and expands it's inevitably becoming more and more diluted. Which is why I don't understand the need for so many pointless filler scenes in the final episode or the further simplification of characters like Cersei.
I'm not sure it's here though. In the books this was about the time that I started to dislike her. I think it's more because of the character than the actress because she sounds like she did in the books.
Crows = Night's Watch, and a term they use quite often. So for me the insignificant change makes enough sense not to bother me.
The problem I have with her acting is that it seems so artificial the "I will do what Queens do, I will rule." line was delivered so badly that I could only cringe while in the books I had more the reaction of "Yeah you show them scumbag slavers who's the boss now, girl."
I don't know there are just a lot of things in the show that feel wrong atm to me.
I didn't get that respond in the books because I was always aware of how young and naïve she was. In the show she's obviously older like everyone else so it takes away a lot of the creep factors and excuses for stupidity and ignorance.
That line didn't make much sense. It was really bad. They must have struggled writing that scene. Unless that line is supposed to show her ignorance because obviously queens don't rule. They're there to look pretty. That's all. With her it wouldn't be any different. When did a queen ever rule on her own?
She went full blown sociopath following Jofferz death in the books, but they seem reluctant to go down that path. First the change from consensual to rape, and making her the victim of that situation, and then all the niceties to Marg in this episode, and her over sensitivity towards her children. I suspect all her evils, and mistakes following tywins death will also be ironed out - probably why the Iron Bank situation is being shoehorned in to alleviate her of blame somewhat down the line.
If they turn Cersei into a sympathetic character I will stop watching. That is the one thing that could do it.
No you won't.
Didn't she try and seduce oberyn in the books as well? When trying to gain influence for the trial.
I doubt she has really taken a turn to become nice and sympathetic. She is just trying to charm the people who sit as judges during her brothers trial. Oberyn, Mace Tyrell through being nice to Margaery and of course Tywin by once doing what he wants her to do without opposing him.
She is playing the good girl to make the judges vote in her favor I reckon.
Many TV watchers believe it's an act. We got this stuff in the books as well. Especially in AFFC.
It has to be an act, or it's terrible writing. But they certainly have already made her more of a sympathetic character than she was in the books.
I will, though.
I will, though.
I really hope they don't disappoint on the Cersie character. Her chapters in the Feast are hilariously delusional and cruel.
Those are probably my favourite chapters from AFFC. She imagines herself to be a Tywin with tits but it's incredibly obvious how she's just rushing from one colossal blunder into another.
It made her fall from grace and eventually the walk of shame even sweeter. I wonder how they'll do the walk of shame in the show
Of all the stuff that could happen, why are they discussing a possible return for Syrio Forel?
Syrio was great to be fair.
Just so.
I'm amazed that they remember him to be honest. Half of them can barely remember people from the episode before, never mind from season 1.
LOL. Well they probably only remembered him because he got a mention in the latest episode. though to be honest having read the books I can't remember giving him much thought except when he was alive or mentioned by Ayra.
I'm apprehensive about Tyrion bolting Tywin. It's got to be coming soon. Tywin is amazing on the show, he will be missed 
I'm awaiting this too. The TV series thread will light up like the fourth of July. I'm anxiously awaiting the reactions from those didn't see it comingI'm apprehensive about Tyrion bolting Tywin. It's got to be coming soon. Tywin is amazing on the show, he will be missed
Considering that the fight is in three episodes time (I think?), I'm a little pissed off that they've shown literally nothing of the mountain, I think at this point in the books he was my most hated character and I couldn't wait for him to get his comeuppance
I agree - it will have a completely different meaning to people who have not read the books.
I'm apprehensive about Tyrion bolting Tywin. It's got to be coming soon. Tywin is amazing on the show, he will be missed
I'm concerned as to how they handle this scene. On one hand, if Tyrion delivers THAT one-liner, it may feel a bit CSI:Miami-esque and take away from the gravity of the scene. On the other hand, it's such a great line it's hard not to put it in (though how they would make it clear that Tywin evacuates, short of a South Park style loud, violent shitstorm, is anybody's guess).
Agree on The Mountain as well, there's been precious few scenes with him to establish what a horrible person he is, most of what we have had is the likes of The Hound and Oberyn talking about how much they want him dead. Maybe a flashback scene for Sandor showing Gregor burning his face might help given his popularity with show fans.
They'll probably just have the Mountain rape five people before the fight.
Did Tyrion actually say anything about Tywin shitting gold? Thought it was just a piece of narration.
Edit- He thought it, didnt say it.
You're right actually, it was inner monologue. They might just leave that whole minefield alone in that case.
I'm awaiting this too. The TV series thread will light up like the fourth of July. I'm anxiously awaiting the reactions from those didn't see it coming
Mentioned it before, but my wife, who has not read the books, has been saying pretty much from his first appearance that she wondered why one of his kids did not just kill him. I think she will be quite pleased when it actually happens. Sad to see the character go, but pleased to see she was on the right track.
Yeah I read it twice and laughed harder the second time. He deserved it.
I remember being very surprised by that scene when I read it tbf. Especially the Shae bit. Didn't expect it at all.
I imagine the Mountain - Oberyn duel will not be nearly as dramatic and significant in the show. If I had't read the books I'd probably be indifferent to both characters.
I imagine the Mountain - Oberyn duel will not be nearly as dramatic and significant in the show. If I had't read the books I'd probably be indifferent to both characters.
Regarding the Tywin/Tyrion scene. I've mentioned it on here before, but it's probably my favourite chapter in the entire series. Jaime freeing Tyrion, telling him the truth about Tysha, Tyrion telling Jaime he killed Joffrey and Cersei's affairs to spite him, then killing Shae and Tywin...god damn.
"I will answer injustice with justice!" 
So bad.
So bad.fecking hell some still complaining in the tv thread about nothing happening in this episode. Good lord. I don't think they understand the process of telling a story. You don't just take the most direct approach from a to b.
Weird. I loved this episode. Some quality acting.
I genuinely think of all the deaths in the books, the oberyn one was the most distressing for me. Mostly because Martin brought us so close to believing the mountain was about to perish, that someone was finally about to receive their appropriate judgement only to be taken away at the last moment.