Books A Song of Ice and Fire (Books) | TV show? What TV show?

Nickosaur said:
Coldhands isn't a white walker is he? Although to be fair I have no idea what he is. Wasn't he formerly in the Nights Watch?
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I have no real idea what he is tbh.

Actually, just realised it can't be him, coldhands rides an elk, not a horse.
 
did anyone hear about that enormous spoiler that HBO supposedly accidentally included in the viewers guide for the episode? Like, book spoiler. They removed it after.
 
Cina said:
did anyone hear about that enormous spoiler that HBO supposedly accidentally included in the viewers guide for the episode? Like, book spoiler. They removed it after.
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Judging by the
crownesque horns on his head
that seems to ring true for me.
 
I never quite figured out the difference between a whitewalker and a wight and tv show makes it even more confusing. Anyone know the precise difference or any links?

I hope they don't spoil anything else. Might have to stop watching from next season if GRRM doesn't hurry up.
 
akash02 said:
I never quite figured out the difference between a whitewalker and a wight and tv show makes it even more confusing. Anyone know the precise difference or any links?

I hope they don't spoil anything else. Might have to stop watching from next season if GRRM doesn't hurry up.
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Seems to me that the white walkers are an actual race born like that or something where as wights are just mindless minions.
 
Cina said:
Yep, to be honest
I completely forgot who the hell he was. The granny just tells Bran a story about him in book one after all
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I am sure that it is mentioned also on the third book. It is on a discussion about why castles of NightWatch aren't defended from the south side.
 
paceme said:
Seems to me that the white walkers are an actual race born like that or something where as wights are just mindless minions.
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So the thing that attacked mormont in the first book was a wight?

If that's the night king he must be 1000's of years old which is quite creepy. Hurry the feck up GRRM!!
 
The Nights King was a Stark, brother of the ruling Stark at Winterfell. Somebody on Reddit just wondered if Benjen was the new night king.

Mind Blown.
 
akash02 said:
So the thing that attacked mormont in the first book was a wight?

If that's the night king he must be 1000's of years old which is quite creepy. Hurry the feck up GRRM!!
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Yeah that's a wight where as I think the thing on a horse in the show is an actual white walker. There is obviously some kind of homeland for them far far north.
 
Bill.s.preston said:
The Nights King was a Stark, brother of the ruling Stark at Winterfell. Somebody on Reddit just wondered if Benjen was the new night king.

Mind Blown.
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Holy shit. So Benjen is Darth Maul?

It is very possible although I always said that Benjen's only contribution on the saga would be to convince Jon to go there.
 
akash02 said:
So the thing that attacked mormont in the first book was a wight?

If that's the night king he must be 1000's of years old which is quite creepy. Hurry the feck up GRRM!!
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Yep. The only whitewalker/the other who has been killed until now is that one which Sam slayed.
 
Revan said:
It is very possible although I always said that Benjen's only contribution on the saga would be to convince Jon to go there.
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That's what I've thought as well. And well, I doubt Benjen can suddenly go from being a human to Night's king in a year or so even if he's a stark. Was the Last Night's king even killed? If so it could still be that guy.

Revan said:
Yep. The only whitewalker/the other who has been killed until now is that one which Sam slayed.
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Ah, right.

In that case I guess coldhands was a random wight warged by Bloodraven
 
paceme said:
Seems to me that the white walkers are an actual race born like that or something where as wights are just mindless minions.
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Yeah that's how I understand it too. The Wight are more like zombies while the white walkers or others seem to be the leaders of that army. I think there might also be different factions among the white walkers considering that Coldhands seems to pursue his own plans and is even helping Bran.
 
Bill.s.preston said:
The Nights King was a Stark, brother of the ruling Stark at Winterfell. Somebody on Reddit just wondered if Benjen was the new night king.

Mind Blown.
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I don't think so.

The Night's King isn't like the title of the king of the others it's just the name the Stark lord commander gave himself when he ruled the Nightfort. So if it's the Night's King that we saw I'm pretty sure it's the original one.

I still think if Benjen is still in any way involved it is Coldhands, maybe he got turned into a White Walker just like the little kid but still has his own mind and thus decided to help Bran and is still working against the Night's King.
 
Benjen spoiler

He's dead and his corpse was probably eaten by wolves.
 
Starks are descended from the Others.

Also, what's up with Locke then? And the archer kid will probably be Ygritte's killer. Called it as soon as I watched it.
 
NoLogo said:
I don't think so.

The Night's King isn't like the title of the king of the others it's just the name the Stark lord commander gave himself when he ruled the Nightfort. So if it's the Night's King that we saw I'm pretty sure it's the original one.

I still think if Benjen is still in any way involved it is Coldhands, maybe he got turned into a White Walker just like the little kid but still has his own mind and thus decided to help Bran and is still working against the Night's King.
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Yeah, I agree. It's likely he's the original one which would be more satisfying than Benjen. On coldhands, I remember bloodraven saying he died a long time back so that's probably not benjen.
 
Has anyone thought about the posibility of The Other in fact being the good God, while R'hllor being the evil God. It would be very conter intuitive but it will also be very George RR Martin.

An another thing I have thought about is what if GRRM decides to end the saga by the Others winning and thw winter that never ends coming, which will ice the oceans making possible for the Others conquering the other continents too. Red Wedding would look like a party compared to that. We are thinking that it is a given that the humans will end in the end, but wouldn't it be the ultimate cruelty from him if he decides to do the complete opposite.
 
Mel_F said:
Starks are descended from the Others.

Also, what's up with Locke then? And the archer kid will probably be Ygritte's killer. Called it as soon as I watched it.
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Care to elaborate a bit about Starks?

I agree about the archer kid.
 
In the books Jon didn't know who killed her right, so it could have been one of his arrows too? Or am I remembering that wrong.
 
Revan said:
Has anyone thought about the posibility of The Other in fact being the good God, while R'hllor being the evil God. It would be very conter intuitive but it will also be very George RR Martin.

An another thing I have thought about is what if GRRM decides to end the saga by the Others winning and thw winter that never ends coming, which will ice the oceans making possible for the Others conquering the other continents too. Red Wedding would look like a party compared to that. We are thinking that it is a given that the humans will end in the end, but wouldn't it be the ultimate cruelty from him if he decides to do the complete opposite.
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Another theory that fans have come up with. The Others are actually the good guys.

Revan said:
Care to elaborate a bit about Starks?
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It's a pretty old theory, just google it. But here's one thread:
http://asoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/topic/60047-starks-others-kings-of-winter/
 
Revan said:
Has anyone thought about the posibility of The Other in fact being the good God, while R'hllor being the evil God. It would be very conter intuitive but it will also be very George RR Martin.

An another thing I have thought about is what if GRRM decides to end the saga by the Others winning and thw winter that never ends coming, which will ice the oceans making possible for the Others conquering the other continents too. Red Wedding would look like a party compared to that. We are thinking that it is a given that the humans will end in the end, but wouldn't it be the ultimate cruelty from him if he decides to do the complete opposite.
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Considering the title of the last book is Dream of spring, I doubt it. From what I've read the title before that was Time for Wolves, which probably indicates the Stark's eventually win and establish themselves again in the north.
 
Revan said:
Really? Feck, those nerds have left nothing for other nerds to discover. It would be very interesting if that really happens though.
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Yeah one of the consequences of each book taking a thousand years to come out is that fans have discussed everything to death, such that I doubt there'll be any major surprises in the last few books. R+L=J is all but confirmed.
 
Mel_F said:
Yeah one of the consequences of each book taking a thousand years to come out is that fans have discussed everything to death, such that I doubt there'll be any major surprises in the last few books. R+L=J is all but confirmed.
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Just read about that theory. Very interesting but there are a few things that doesn't add up:

- The Wall was build by Brandon Stark. If Starks and the Others are pretty much the same side, why did this happen?
- I always thought that Jon will be the Azor Ahai (especially with his death that looked dead cert). However, if this theory is true then that becomes impossible and in fact Jon will probably become the new Night King which is essentially the opposite of Azor Ahai. Who is then Azor Ahai? Dany perhaps.

Or it is possible that the history in fact has been manipulated and changed during those 8000 years which means that now we have a bunch of lies (made by Citadel perhaps) instead of events that really happened. Cat and Melisandre being 'baby Others' are interesting too. It would be funny if The Other and R'hllor is in fact the same guy but people have percepted him on different ways.

I want the next book right now!
 
NoLogo said:
Yeah that's how I understand it too. The Wight are more like zombies while the white walkers or others seem to be the leaders of that army. I think there might also be different factions among the white walkers considering that Coldhands seems to pursue his own plans and is even helping Bran.
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Yes, I'd agree with that. It just seems odd that after having an entire series where the entire point is "everything is grey", you'd suddenly end it with a proper good against evil fight. I don't mind it if the Others continue to be the main antagonists, that much is obvious, but it would be nice if that could happen while portraying the Others as essentially just another race, if one with wildly different motivations. That's part of what has always bothered me about fantasy, as much as I love the genre. You usually have entire races of creatures that it is simply agreed on are "evil".
 
Revan said:
Just read about that theory. Very interesting but there are a few things that doesn't add up:

- The Wall was build by Brandon Stark. If Starks and the Others are pretty much the same side, why did this happen?
- I always thought that Jon will be the Azor Ahai (especially with his death that looked dead cert). However, if this theory is true then that becomes impossible and in fact Jon will probably become the new Night King which is essentially the opposite of Azor Ahai. Who is then Azor Ahai? Dany perhaps.

Or it is possible that the history in fact has been manipulated and changed during those 8000 years which means that now we have a bunch of lies (made by Citadel perhaps) instead of events that really happened. Cat and Melisandre being 'baby Others' are interesting too. It would be funny if The Other and R'hllor is in fact the same guy but people have percepted him on different ways.

I want the next book right now!
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I think there will definitely be a battle between Jon and Dany. Ice v Fire, although Jon being the product of Ice and Fire doesn't really make sense if he battles Dany. But anyway, it's been a long time since I read the books and my memory of things is hazy at best. Simply haven't had time to reread through all the books.
 
Mel_F said:
I think there will definitely be a battle between Jon and Dany. Ice v Fire, although Jon being the product of Ice and Fire doesn't really make sense if he battles Dany. But anyway, it's been a long time since I read the books and my memory of things is hazy at best. Simply haven't had time to reread through all the books.
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Very strange. Always was convinced that Danny and Jon will join forces in the end against Others, which in the end of the day is again a black and white story.

This theory has given me a completely different point of view. Time for the reread of A Feast of Crowns.
 
Revan said:
Very strange. Always was convinced that Danny and Jon will join forces in the end against Others, which in the end of the day is again a black and white story.

This theory has given me a completely different point of view. Time for the reread of A Feast of Crowns.
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Hang on. Is this the first time you've heard of R+L=J?
 
Revan said:
Just read about that theory. Very interesting but there are a few things that doesn't add up:

- The Wall was build by Brandon Stark. If Starks and the Others are pretty much the same side, why did this happen?
- I always thought that Jon will be the Azor Ahai (especially with his death that looked dead cert). However, if this theory is true then that becomes impossible and in fact Jon will probably become the new Night King which is essentially the opposite of Azor Ahai. Who is then Azor Ahai? Dany perhaps.

Or it is possible that the history in fact has been manipulated and changed during those 8000 years which means that now we have a bunch of lies (made by Citadel perhaps) instead of events that really happened. Cat and Melisandre being 'baby Others' are interesting too. It would be funny if The Other and R'hllor is in fact the same guy but people have percepted him on different ways.

I want the next book right now!
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The wall was built before the nights king became lord commander and ran of with the other.
Dany is Azor Ahai and dragons are the lightbringers. Sure of that.
 
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