It's because the book readers have a better understanding of the characters. The show does not give too much details whereas the book is very detailed, you know their thoughts etc. I read the books before the show started and I would still do the same even if I started reading after the show started. There's a lot of information in the books they can't possibly include in the show and that lack of information is what's causing the disconnect with the TV show viewers.
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That's funny because to be honest it's the first fantasy book series I ever enjoyed. Admitted I haven't read all that many of them because I usually don't get past the first 50 pages before it starts to really annoy me, especially when elves are involved.
I never would have thought the fantasy genre would ever do anything for me until I stumbled across ASOIAF.
This episode had Ser Pounce, therefore this was a good episode.
AGOT was hard for me to get through initially simply because there were so many characters and I was a bit overwhelmed by the story. I plowed through it and I remember thinking 'holy shit' after reading Dany's dragons coming to life.
Good episode. Very creepy ending as well.
Agreed.
Seems like they have cast Ser Pounce but not coldhands
Agreed.
Seems like they have cast Ser Pounce but not coldhands
I thought it was half "meh" and half very good. I also liked the ending a lot, despite it not being in the book at all. Although it was always fairly obvious that they got turned into white-walker-babies.
Can't wait to see this tonight, just because of Ser Pounce.
Ser Pounce and Margaery in the same scene
Was any of the Craster's stuff in the book? I can't ruddy remember. Did Jon go there? Was that good fighter bear guy with him? Was Bran there?
Think it's all made up. They had to do something like that, Bran has about three chapters to stretch out for the next 3 seasons. Will Bran and Jon meet, do you think? Sam's already told Jon he's alive in the show, iirc in the books he keeps it a secret for some reason I've forgotten.
Nope. But as long as they keep it interesting I don't mind.
They seem to have made the decision to deviate from the books this season more then ever before. Anyone else thinking they might prepare for the inevitable? I mean the point where the show overtakes the books and basically has to tell it's own story anyways considering that no details have been written yet. Of course another possibility is that they thought book 4 and 5 weren't really interesting enough for a TV show and needed a lot of rewriting?
Probably the latter. They already know the ending...the bastards. I suspect the whole point of Jon knowing Bran is alive is to stretch out the season a bit more. I hope they meet though.
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He kept it secret because Bran asked him to, I think, something to do with him not wanting Jon to leave the castle to find him wasn't it?
I hope he doesn't meet Bran, though, I don't like deviations to that extent.
I know they know the ending but they don't know any details like dialog and exact scenes because it hasn't been written yet. Basically they have an outline of how the story will progress but all the dialog and stuff they will have to come up with on their own if they happen to overtake the book, so pretty much what they have started atm considering that they do a lot of stuff that isn't in the books and some character paths seem to go into a completely different direction compared to the books.
So Jamie and Cersei meet post coitus in sept and what she seems more upset about is that he went to see Tyrion, that he promised Catlyn Stark he would send the girls back to her and that he would not promise to hunt down Sansa and cut her head off.
Okay episode the whole Bran deviation from the story line doesn't seem that interesting to me. I am guessing that having Jon lead a successful ranging agaisnt the traitors and will help them explain in the show how he becomes head of the Nights Watch.
Quite a bit of rape going on at Crastors place now. They don't really treat women very well in this show do they.
The actor playing Tommen seems a bit old for the whole "kitty > titty" thing, though still young enough not to have a clue what to do with Queen M.
Okay episode the whole Bran deviation from the story line doesn't seem that interesting to me. I am guessing that having Jon lead a successful ranging agaisnt the traitors and will help them explain in the show how he becomes head of the Nights Watch.
Quite a bit of rape going on at Crastors place now. They don't really treat women very well in this show do they.
The actor playing Tommen seems a bit old for the whole "kitty > titty" thing, though still young enough not to have a clue what to do with Queen M.
I hope they don't. Is Jon supposed to just let his crippled brother go on without him in his quest to get to a talking tree?
The stuff at Craster's seems like pure filler which will have no bearing on the plot.
Jon has no other choice though. I can see what you are saying mind and I agree but I just I'd like to see some of the Starks meet. Been too long.
I don't expect they will see each other. Bran and co will probably slip out when the battle is going on.
I'd say it's being done mostly so that show viewers get to see more of the White Walkers (otherwise they'd see none this season), Bran is kept in it, and that there's stuff going on at the wall before the big fight. Filler to us but probably not to people who haven't read the book.
@niMic leave them be, no point in a book reader debating over things like that in the TV thread, always ends with them PMSing everywhere.
It's probably the further the lionisation of Jon. Why is Locke/Vargo there, again? Is he undercover for Roose?
Yep. He's there to find the kids.
huh. I never realised that was Vargo!
Yes he was sent there last episode to find Bran and Rickon. Can't have them two alive if the Boltons are to claim Winterfell.
Thought so.
@akash02 - he's a bit more likeable as Locke, isn't he? I found the lisp a little silly and it would've been a bit too caricature-like for the show, I can see why they switched his character up.
@akash02 - he's a bit more likeable as Locke, isn't he? I found the lisp a little silly and it would've been a bit too caricature-like for the show, I can see why they switched his character up.
In the books, Bran saved Jon from the Wildlings whilst warged as Summer didn't he?
Perhaps they'll switch things up and have Bran save Jon from the traitors instead?
I've not seen the latest episode yet, so Ignore if it doesn't fit with what you've seen.
Perhaps they'll switch things up and have Bran save Jon from the traitors instead?
I've not seen the latest episode yet, so Ignore if it doesn't fit with what you've seen.
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That happened before Bran went north of the wall. His distraction allowed Jon to escape. I think it was a place called Queen something.
Yep, it was the first time Bran got into Hodor's head.
In the books Jon hasn't yet found that Bran and Rickon are alive, has he?
I think they're changing the storyline at The Wall too much. One little change leads to a bigger one and then another...
Natalie Dormer is doing a fantastic job as Margaery by the way. She's a bit more provocative, direct and not as subtly mysterious as in the book but I find myself liking every scene that she's in.
I think they're changing the storyline at The Wall too much. One little change leads to a bigger one and then another...
Natalie Dormer is doing a fantastic job as Margaery by the way. She's a bit more provocative, direct and not as subtly mysterious as in the book but I find myself liking every scene that she's in.
I am not liking the changes that are happening, especially on the Wall which are big changes.
As others said, Natalie Dormer is doing a fantastic job as Margaery.
And yep, Ser POUNCE
As others said, Natalie Dormer is doing a fantastic job as Margaery.
And yep, Ser POUNCE
Great episode I thought. Loved every scene Jaime was in, especially in the cell with Tyrion. Tommen/Margaery/Ser Pounce scene was good too.
The changes at the Wall/Craster's...I enjoyed them. May cause problems later down the line but for the first time in a long time I wasn't sure what was happening, which is a pleasant change.
And that final scene with the White Walkers, with that huge ice kingdom (Land of Always Winter...?) - I found that very cool. We've learnt so much more about them, yet at the same time it didn't give much away at all. It's a fascinating aspect of the series, and I can't wait for it to be expanded in the books.
The changes at the Wall/Craster's...I enjoyed them. May cause problems later down the line but for the first time in a long time I wasn't sure what was happening, which is a pleasant change.
And that final scene with the White Walkers, with that huge ice kingdom (Land of Always Winter...?) - I found that very cool. We've learnt so much more about them, yet at the same time it didn't give much away at all. It's a fascinating aspect of the series, and I can't wait for it to be expanded in the books.
I am really interested in what Vargo does. It's an interesting change and by now he knows Rickon is not at the wall and Bran is beyond the wall. Does he try to kill Jon because Ramsay sees him as a threat (in the books he does)?
I don't think the changes will make too much of a difference to the overall wall storyline. Jon knows Bran is alive but I don't see that altering anything.
I don't think the changes will make too much of a difference to the overall wall storyline. Jon knows Bran is alive but I don't see that altering anything.
It's Lock here, right? I always call him Vargo (same about Talissa/Jayne Westerling) too.
I guess Jon will kill him. On the books he got killed by Ser Gregor so likely they'll kill him somehow here too.
That final scene was really interesting. Pretty much confirmed that the Others turn Craster's babies into one of them which had been suspected but never confirmed. Also gave us more of an insight into their world than the books have at all so far. I quite like that they're actually advancing their story instead of halting it like the books.
The Darth Maul looking guy seems an interesting one.
The Darth Maul looking guy seems an interesting one.
I found the whole scene utterly surreal to be quite honest (in a good way). We know so little about the Others, and then suddenly we get a glimpse of their world, something we've never had in the books.
I've generally disagreed with many of the changes made in the series, some have made sense and some have been utterly bizarre. This one has me really hopefully for the rest of the TV series, and desperate for the next book.
I think it's wise that they're going ahead with changes like that and advancing the story forward. Opens up so many possibilities to think about too, although I imagine some book readers will be pissed off because it's a pretty major spoiler.
I forgot they'd shown that! I remember now as Bran found out he could control Hodor.
There's so much I can't remember from the books, it's a bit of a struggle watching the show these days as I'm mostly sitting there thinking "did that happen like that in the books?" and so on.
One thing I'm a bit confused about: When Bran and Jon almost met when Bran helped him escape from the wildlings, didn't Jon have Ghost, or am I completely misremembering that part? And how did Ghost end up at Craster's again?
I wonder if they're ever going to introduce Dorne and reintroduce the Iron Islands?
One thing I'm a bit confused about: When Bran and Jon almost met when Bran helped him escape from the wildlings, didn't Jon have Ghost, or am I completely misremembering that part? And how did Ghost end up at Craster's again?
I wonder if they're ever going to introduce Dorne and reintroduce the Iron Islands?
Iirc, Jon sent Ghost back to the wall when they were at the fist of the first men, before he went off with Qhorin Halfhand. They got reunited somehow but can't remember how.