Books A Song of Ice and Fire (Books) | TV show? What TV show?

Revan said:
Considering that Daenerys is useless for the first five books, they should just decide to nake Emilia Clarke until when the show will start showing the events of the sixth book, that is the only way to keep the public interested.
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:lol: Well it is her body and her pretty face that has her so loved, why the feck not?
About the books, I think that Littlefinger and Tyrion have read them too. Richard IIRC, read (before season 1) the first book, then before season 2 the second book and before season 3 the third book, in order to know only what will happen in that season but not his entire story. I don't think that the actors should neccesary read the books, it will get out from them the element of surprise. The characters won't know what will happen after 2 years so maybe it is a good idea that the actors to not know it too.
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Littlefinger wouldn't surprise me, Aidan seems that sort of guy. I'm not sure if Dinklage does actually, but you may be correct, I may have to check that. Your point about the characters is pretty valid, but perhaps they should reread the earlier books? Just to pick up on and look for certain idiosyncrasies within their characters. It isn't mandatory of course, but the best actors should always be looking to further themselves.
@Cheesy I really do agree with your second paragraph.

As I say, perhaps it's just me being a tiny bit demanding in my need for meticulous acting. It's all phenomenal anyway.
 
Dinklage has not read the books. I really don't think it matters at all.
 
Mountain vs The Viper will be episode 8 while the Battle at the Wall will be 9. Stannis is going to be going to Braavos in an episode before then. Presumably accelerating him meeting the banker in book 4 or 5, whichever it was.
 
JustAFan said:
My wife loves to hate Tywin, but all she keep saying every episode is "Why doesn't one of his kids just kill him, he is such a bastard!" Especially about Tyrion, every scene between them she says if she were Tyrion she would kill Tywin, lol.
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Mel_F said:
I still don't know what Shae was doing in Tywin's bed. He hates whores, why on earth was she in his bed?

Also, Tywin's character is hateable, but Charles Dance.
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Tywin's hate for Tyrion stems from the fact that he's so similar to him. They both have a weakness for whores and I think this is the main reason Tywin resented Tyrion. He saw himself in Tyrion and the only way he knew how to handle it was to constantly belittle Tyrion to convince himself he's much better.
He obviously wanted to prove to Tyrion that whores will always betray him and he shouldn't treat them with any respect. Tyrion truly cared for Shae and I think the feeling was mutual but when Tywin came into the picture he poisoned her mind with doubt and she thought she's just a whore to Tyrion also. In her mind it was pretty much Like father like son.
 
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akash02 said:
Just ctrl+f'd the the quote:



Not sure if that's foreshadowing anything.
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I think that quote is from the first book when Arya wants to learn to fight in Winterfell before Robert arrives and everything changes. I'm not sure of it's significance given that it was that long ago but you never know.
 
Tywin's hate for Tyrion stems from the fact that he's so similar to him. They both have a weakness for whores and I think this is the main reason Tywin resented Tyrion. He saw himself in Tyrion and the only way he knew how to handle it was to constantly belittle Tyrion to convince himself he's much better.
He obviously wanted to prove to Tyrion that whores will always betray him and he shouldn't treat them with any respect. Tyrion truly cared for Shae and I think the feeling was mutual but when Tywin came into the picture he poisoned her mind with doubt and she thought she's just a whore to Tyrion also. In her mind it was pretty much Like father like son
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agree on the Tywin and Tyrion being similar point but I disagree on Shae. I don't believe she ever had genuine feelings for Tyrion he was her meal ticket and she was good enough at her job to keep him interested in her. IIRC Tyrion finds her wearing the hands chain when he kills her, that is telling for me as to her motivation for wealth above all, Tyrion was out of the picture so she quickly moved on to the next sucker (or suckee). The TV character may turn out different of course, I guess we'll see from her reaction to Tyrions plight in coming episodes

I think it was west coast *********** Dre who observed 'you can't make a ho a housewife' I think we'd all do well to heed that advice personally
 
Naming your kid after a Games of Thrones character?

http://us.cnn.com/2014/04/10/showbi...-names-ew/?obWgt=articlefooter&iref=obnetwork

In 2012, 146 girls got named Khaleesi. No word on how many Eddard's, Stannis's, Tywin's and Tyrion's there are. And you know someplace there is some poor kid with a last name of Snow, whose parents decided long ago to call him John and all he hears all day long is "You know nothing, John Snow."



And yes I posted this in both threads, deal with it. It contains no spoilers.
 
Gandalf Greyhame said:
It's really interesting, I think I'll take my chances. Unless it's in the rules, of course.



You almost made me go "But Lysa killed Jon!". Let's keep OUR debate here, FFS.
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Just had my memory jogged that Maester Pycelle had a hand in this also, in that he took over caring for Jon, the other Maester had been giving the correct treatment and would have save his life. Pycelle stepped in to make sure Jon died, and why did he do that? To keep the secret of who the real father of Cersei's kids is. Pycelle being a Lannister man through and through.
 
Revan said:
Great piece of reading. I would like to see more of Aegon's war (a sequel perhaps). Another thing that has always interested me is what exactly was the Doom of Valyria, how it did happened. I doubt that that will be ever explained though.
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Though there was a pretty decent description in ADWD of it, though of course one from a characters POV without an exact 'scientific' explanation. From the sound of it, it was a massive geological event, perhaps a super volcano eruption.

While Tyrion Lannister is aboard the Selaesori Qhoran, the ship’s captain is commanded to sail the shortest course to Slaver's Bay by Moqorro, which brings her close to the accursed coast of Valyria.
Tyrion recalls that it was written that on the day of Doom every hill for 500 miles had split asunder to fill the air with ash and smoke and fire, blazes so hot and hungry that even dragons in the sky were engulfed and consumed. Great rents had opened in the earth, swallowing palaces, temples, entire towns. Lakes boiled or turned to acid, mountains burst, fiery fountains spewed molten rock a thousand feet into the air, red clouds rained down dragonglass and the black blood of demons, and to the north the ground splintered and collapsed and fell in on itself and an angry sea came rushing in
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http://awoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/Doom_of_Valyria

Now there is also talk of demons now roaming Valyria, so with many things in the GoT universe, there may be a super natural connection to the event also.

I've wondered how much the Doom has affected the weather patterns of Westeros, perhaps that is why the seasons are so long?
 
The Doom really gets me thinking too. Things like how it happened, what makes it so scary/bad for sailors to go near now, what kind of things you can find in the ruins (Dragonbinder being but one example) and even just how Euron managed to trek there and find the thing himself despite all the danger surrounding the place. GRRM really does well to create these feelings of intrigue around his work.

The Land of Always Winter is another example.
 
Have you read Princess and the Queen? That's some great reading as well albeit slightly cluttered. Dany is a tad boring but most of the Targaryens were fecking brilliant.
 
I'd love to know more about the Doom and Valyria as it is in its current state, as well as the Land of Always Winter.

Because the Others are obviously going to be a huge part of the conclusion to the series, I think we'll probably find out a bit more about the Land of Always Winter. Perhaps they have hundreds of thousands of wights/White Walkers ready to awaken? Valyria is a bit more mysterious. I think the fact so little is known about the Doom is what makes it so fascinating.
 
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Apparently the last episode of season 4 is called 'The children'. I hope that means Bran will meet the children of the forest at the end of this season, which means they've massively moved his story from Dance with Dragons forward.

That's a good thing, really. They'll need to move stuff around a lot from book 4 and 5 to keep season 5 interesting. They don't need to change much, just cut the long-winded stuff out and run the stories from book 4 and 5 together.

Plus, I love the children of the forest and Bran's storyline in DwD. It could be done really well.
 
Yep.

I can't figure out whether turning Jamie into a rapist was a conscious decision on the writer's part or just a badly executed version of what happened in the books. The director says "it became consensual by the end", which sort of sounds like what was in the book but not what actually came across on screen. It definitely changes the tone of Jamie's character which is quite problematic for those who like him because of his attempts to redeem himself.

In other changes from the book, looks like they'll fill Jon's time before the battle by having him hunt down the mutineers. I'm happy enough with that, I think.
 
That was a bit shit in general but especially with regards to Jaime. Changing things just because they can is very annoying. Really fecks up his character.

I like what they've done with the Hound though. Just the right amount of cnut-ishness mixed with bouts of sympathetic behavior. I am guessing Stannis will take a detour to Bravos before heading to the wall. Still no Iron Born to be seen.

And the new Daario is fecking shite.
 
The Sam/Gilly storyline is one of the dullest in the books and so far the show is not presenting it any better. I hope their screen time is as limited as possible.
Also, yeah, I preferred the old Daario much more.
 
While it wasn't rape in the books, I'm sure Jaime was told to stop/Cersei says 'not here' or something. But yeah, they've definitely made it much more rapey. Not sure how I feel about that, doesn't fit in with Jaime's redemption at all.

You guys preferred the old Daario? I couldn't stand him, this guy seems much more tolerable. Liked how he took out the champion of Meereen.

Pretty average episode but there were some good scenes in there. I found the Pod/Tyrion goodbye really well done. And Dany is now at Meereen, where she will remain for the next 3 seasons..yay!
 
Scarecrow said:
The Sam/Gilly storyline is one of the dullest in the books and so far the show is not presenting it any better. I hope their screen time is as limited as possible.
Also, yeah, I preferred the old Daario much more.
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The Sam/Gilly plot becomes a lot better once they leave Castle Black. The whole Citadel/oldtown thing is really intriguing.
 
Stannis is still not bad-ass enough. Everyone still hates him.
 
Was always going to be a slower episode than the previous two, but it was a dangerously meandering hour. Every single character is now in the inbetween, no-mans land so to speak, just waiting for the next big thing to happen. Whilst it's good that Tywin acknowledges the threat from the North and the East, I think it's only going to upset TV viewers even more when they realise that Dany isn't going to cross over. I imagine a fair few are expecting her arrival in Westeros to be concurrent with the Wildling attack.

The show is definitely struggling to capture the intrigue, and depth of the book, it's in danger of becoming unenjoyable for non-readers imo.
 
Wondering how Alex99 sat through last nights show? He says he watches but with the pretty awful way female characters are treated by the men of GoT, he has to about blow a gasket every episode. Especially during a scene like last nights.
 
Zak Smith said:
Was always going to be a slower episode than the previous two, but it was a dangerously meandering hour. Every single character is now in the inbetween, no-mans land so to speak, just waiting for the next big thing to happen. Whilst it's good that Tywin acknowledges the threat from the North and the East, I think it's only going to upset TV viewers even more when they realise that Dany isn't going to cross over. I imagine a fair few are expecting her arrival in Westeros to be concurrent with the Wildling attack.

The show is definitely struggling to capture the intrigue, and depth of the book, it's in danger of becoming unenjoyable for non-readers imo.
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I reckon there is just about enough material in the Dance to make a good season 5 (Won't be as good as this season) with perhaps one of the 2 known battles in Winds of Winter being shifted to season 5.
 
So does anyone know why they twisted that scene to rape instead of it being consensual like it was in the books? It just sets Jaime's character in the show back again. One of the worst changes so far
 
Seveneric said:
So does anyone know why they twisted that scene to rape instead of it being consensual like it was in the books? It just sets Jaime's character in the show back again. One of the worst changes so far
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Maybe due to the timing of Jamies return? It was the first time he saw her in the books wasn't it? Still doesn't make much sense. For a man who said if he were a woman, he would rather die than be raped, to then rape someone?
 
I don't think they intended the scene to be taken as rape. The director of the episode has said that it "“becomes consensual by the end because anything for them ultimately results in a turn-on, especially a power struggle.".
 
Watching right now, why on earth did they turn that into a rape scene? :lol:
 
Some changes are good but that was just pointless. In fact sending Jaime ehre before Joffre's death was pointless and now the raping was bullshit.
 
Just watched it, good episode, but WHY did they make Jaime rape Cersei?

It's not rape in the book, why did they invent that? What was the point?
 
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