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[Revan]

Not everything. I mean the entire Tysha incident, what did that gain him? What war did that win him? That seemed to be pretty evil just for the sake of being a bastard to his son whose only sin was being born.

Like most in this series he is after power and he is also driven by his legacy, he claims it is about his family name, but lets face it all he really cares about is what people will think about him personally. That is why he hates Tyrion so much, yes his wife died as a result of childbirth, but in the end Tyrion's physical appearance is an embarrassment not just becuase others have and do make fun of him, but because Tywin is embarrassed that something "like that" could be produced by his loins. He believes his enemies will see it as a weakness, Tywin sees it as some sort of stain on the Lannister legacy.

He wouldn't let his son (regardless how much he hated him) to marry a lowborn girl. It also served a lesson to Tyrion to not do things on his own.

 

[JustAFan]

He wouldn't let his son (regardless how much he hated him) to marry a lowborn girl. It also served a lesson to Tyrion to not do things on his own.

Oh not evil at all then and it still did not win a war for him

 

[Revan]

Oh not evil at all then and it still did not win a war for him

It had a motive though, to seperate his son from a lowborn. On ASOIAF, a highborn like Lannister cannot ever marry a lowborn like Tysha. Don't judge them on today's standards, that was a big no for Tywin.

All I am saying is that his work (even when it is evil) has a motive and an endgame behind it. Joffrey's or Ramsey's sadism is pure evil, without a need, Tywin's on the other hand is rude pragmatism. It is also the reason why people feel sympathy for him, but only hate for Joffrey.

 

[Massive Spanner]

I forget the chronological order of shit. Wonder what episode nine will be this time, battle of the wall?

Assume Gregor vs Oberyn will be episode 5/6.

 

[JustAFan]

It had a motive though, to seperate his son from a lowborn. On ASOIAF, a highborn like Lannister cannot ever marry a lowborn like Tysha. Don't judge them on today's standards, that was a big no for Tywin.

All I am saying is that his work (even when it is evil) has a motive and an endgame behind it. Joffrey's or Ramsey's sadism is pure evil, without a need, Tywin's on the other hand is rude pragmatism. It is also the reason why people feel sympathy for him, but only hate for Joffrey.

Not judging him by todays standards, even in a fictional world having the wife of your son gang banged in front of him then sent off to "where ever whores go" can not be viewed as a nice thing to do. Oh he has his reasons, but then everyone has there reasons for doing what they do, doesn't make it right.

To me Joffry is a direct result of the way first Tywin raised his kids, which then created Cersei and all her nastiness, which in turn led directly to Joffry being who he is, with a bit of blame falling on Robert also. He is largely responsible for the mess his family has become.

No need for anyone to feel any sympathy towards Tywin, he is lying in a bed of his own making.

 

[Member 39557]

Just read about episode 10 being "the episode to end all episodes" followed by a comment about a confrontation between Tywin and Tyrion.

 

[JustAFan]

Of course I find a good many (NOT ALL) of the characters in these books to have their despicable side. Products of the world and society they inhabit (and of the writers imagination). Most (AGAIN NOT ALL) of them, like so many real human beings, are driven only by their selfish interests, their lust for power, etc. So they all have reasons for what they do. And the story would be far less interesting without all this.

But at the end some of those actions can be defined as not being very nice, even evil.

 

[Revan]

I forget the chronological order of shit. Wonder what episode nine will be this time, battle of the wall?

Assume Gregor vs Oberyn will be episode 5/6.

That early? I am expecting it to be the ninth episode. At-least I hope so, Oberyn is awesome and I want him on screen for as many episodes as they can.

 

[Massive Spanner]

That early? I am expecting it to be the ninth episode. At-least I hope so, Oberyn is awesome and I want him on screen for as many episodes as they can.

hmm, dunno, surely the wall will be episode 9? Maybe episode 8 then, seeing as Tyrion v Tywin is 10.

I'm surprised they actually did the purple wedding so early. Nicely surprised though. Lots of people complained about how slow last season was iirc.

 

[kps88]

I think one of the last scenes will be Catelyn coming back. This is based on absolutely nothing considering I can barely remember anything; but it would make for a cool final scene.

 

[Nighteyes]

I just realised Balon still hasn't died. So that's Balon, Oberyn, Tywin and Shae all slated to die this season.

 

[Massive Spanner]

I think one of the last scenes will be Catelyn coming back. This is based on absolutely nothing considering I can barely remember anything; but it would make for a cool final scene.

Probably the last scene seeing as it's the epilogue of the book.

 

[Revan]

I think one of the last scenes will be Catelyn coming back. This is based on absolutely nothing considering I can barely remember anything; but it would make for a cool final scene.

I'll expect the season to be concluded with that scene.

THe battle at wall should happen a bit sooner IMO, while Stannis will reach the wall somewhere on the last 2-3 episodes.

 

[Cheesy]

I think one of the last scenes will be Catelyn coming back. This is based on absolutely nothing considering I can barely remember anything; but it would make for a cool final scene.

They might finish with LF pushing Lysa after his "Only Cat" moment, before then cutting to a Frey in the Riverlands who is caught by the Brotherhood, followed by the final shot of the season being the Stoneheart revelation.

 

[Solius]

At the pace they're going surely Tyrion will be freed from his cell around episode 4? Stannis and the wall thing should pretty much be in the next two episodes too.

 

[Nighteyes]

At the pace they're going surely Tyrion will be freed from his cell around episode 4? Stannis and the wall thing should pretty much be in the next two episodes too.

I reckon -

3 - aftermath to killing
4 - first trial
5 - oberyn meets tyrion
6 - trial by battle
7 - in the cells
8 - escape/kills Tywin and Shae

 

[Massive Spanner]

I reckon -

3 - aftermath to killing
4 - first trial
5 - oberyn meets tyrion
6 - trial by battle
7 - in the cells
8 - escape/kills Tywin and Shae

nah I'm pretty sure there will be at least one or two episodes that don't involve Kings Landing at all, possibly even the next one.

 

[Melvyn]

3 "Breaker of Chains"
4 "Oathkeeper"
5 "First of His Name"
6 "The Laws of Gods and Men"
7 "Mockingbird"
8 "The Mountain and the Viper

 

[Cheesy]

I can see them stretching out Tyrion's trial to be honest, with Oberyn/Gregor coming around 7/8. Tyrion/Tywin is bound to come in episode 10 I think, unless they want to have the whole thing wrapped up by episode 9 and start on early AFFC stuff so they can push on in S5.

 

[Nighteyes]

nah I'm pretty sure there will be at least one or two episodes that don't involve Kings Landing at all, possibly even the next one.

They will have to have kings landing in the next one. Don't think they can skip it in the next episode. The one after that is called "first of his name" so presumably that will have kings landing as well

edit - the 5th is called "first of his name". So yeah 4th might skip kings landing

 

[Cheesy]

If the 4th is called "Oathkeeper" then it'll have KL since it'll deal with Jaime giving the sword to Brienne in order to search for Sansa.

 

[Massive Spanner]

They will have to have kings landing in the next one. Don't think they can skip it in the next episode. The one after that is called "first of his name" so presumably that will have kings landing as well

edit - the 5th is called "first of his name". So yeah 4th might skip kings landing

Well the battle isn't til episode 8.

We may see some of KL but it will likely be on the periphery to the characters that weren't in the last one (Dany, Jon, Arya).

 

[DWelbz19]

"Only Cat" has to be in it. I predict somewhere from episode 7 to 10.

 

[Scarecrow]

I've forgotten so much. Especially when it comes to the chronological order of events.
In which book was Aeron Greyjoy introduced? I recall there was quite a bit action taking place on the Iron Islands in one of the latest books, with the elections in the center of it. Should we expect that in this season of the show or next?
Same question about Dorne and Oberyn's daughters.

 

[Nighteyes]

Given the fact that Balon hasn't died yet and the show introducing a new Asha plot last season, I think the kingsmoot will be next season. Same with Dorne.

I don't think they've even cast Euron.

 

[Scarecrow]

Ah, that's a shame.

 

[sullydnl]

I'll expect the season to be concluded with that scene.

THe battle at wall should happen a bit sooner IMO, while Stannis will reach the wall somewhere on the last 2-3 episodes.

Isn't the battle at the wall pretty much confirmed for the second last episode? They've even brought the director from "Blackwater" back in for it.

Also, they've mentioned Tysha more than once already. There was the drinking game and then a couple of references to it afterwards.

 

[Cheesy]

I've forgotten so much. Especially when it comes to the chronological order of events.
In which book was Aeron Greyjoy introduced? I recall there was quite a bit action taking place on the Iron Islands in one of the latest books, with the elections in the center of it. Should we expect that in this season of the show or next?
Same question about Dorne and Oberyn's daughters.

Those were in A Feast For Crows, book 4, so we can probably expect them next season. I imagine they'll compress some of the events since they'll have to do a lot of casting, however they'll probably include them at some point in Season 5 I'd imagine.

 

[Revan]

hmm, dunno, surely the wall will be episode 9? Maybe episode 8 then, seeing as Tyrion v Tywin is 10.

I'm surprised they actually did the purple wedding so early. Nicely surprised though. Lots of people complained about how slow last season was iirc.

Yeah, definitely it kept the pace and the public were surprised which is good, considering that the last 3 seasons were pretty much all building towards something big on the ninth episode.

Isn't the battle at the wall pretty much confirmed for the second last episode? They've even brought the director from "Blackwater" back in for it.

Also, they've mentioned Tysha more than once already. There was the drinking game and then a couple of references to it afterwards.

I dunno. If the battle at wall is that late, then Stannis defeating the wildlings will likely be postponed for the next season. Also, there is nothing to be done anymore in the wall before the battle. However if they do it a bit more quickly - like in the 4-5th episode - then there are a few important things to be done, like Stannis arriving and Jon becoming the new Lord Commander. I hope they do all these things in thi season, because if not, then Snow's parts will be as boring as Daenerys parts.

 

[Scarecrow]

Those were in A Feast For Crows, book 4, so we can probably expect them next season. I imagine they'll compress some of the events since they'll have to do a lot of casting, however they'll probably include them at some point in Season 5 I'd imagine.

Wait a second. Doesn't Season 4 = Book 4?

 

[Revan]

Wait a second. Doesn't Season 4 = Book 4?

Nope. Season 4 = last 300 pages of the third book.

 

[Cheesy]

Wait a second. Doesn't Season 4 = Book 4?

No, Book 3 has been stretched over 2 seasons, with elements of books 4 and 5 in 4.

 

[Scarecrow]

Cheers.
I should really re-read the books. I honestly have no idea what to expect from this season, apart from the Tyrion storyline. I've forgotten so many things.

 

[Revan]

Cheers.
I should really re-read the books. I honestly have no idea what to expect from this season, apart from the Tyrion storyline. I've forgotten so many things.

I have been doing so during the last 6 months or so and I've re-read the first three books. Re-reading them is totally worth it, a ton of stuff which you might have missed during the first reading.

 

[Massive Spanner]

Hope episode one of season five will just be a 50 minute montage of books 4 and 5.

 

[Cheesy]

I think S5 might be quite good actually - books 4 and 5 were too drawn out, but there was plenty of good stuff in there too. Condense it down to mostly one season, quicken the pace and it'll play out a lot better onscreen.

 

[Nighteyes]

I expect the last 2 episodes of season 5 to have winds of winter stuff - battles at winterfell, meereen

 

[DWelbz19]

But then there's also the fear they'll stretch some parts out, like they did in the books, and add in some new stuff. As somebody said a few pages ago, Dany's involvement seems to stifle in the books, but they need to keep her refreshing for the show as she is basically the poster girl.

Just an aside, but does it irk anyone else when the actors have no clue on their characters? Like, Emilia Clarke who plays Daenerys, in a lot of her interviews on YouTube seems almost clueless as to who Daenerys actually is. It seems a bit lazy to play a role and not know anything about your character. In fact, in one of the clips on YouTube I saw, Kit and Richard (who play Jon and Robb) were the only ones of the cast there who'd actually read the books. I understand some like to keep it secret so it doesn't affect their performances, but surely picking up some of the earlier books and solely reading your own parts isn't too hard? Maybe I'm just being picky, I don't know.

 

[Revan]

But then there's also the fear they'll stretch some parts out, like they did in the books, and add in some new stuff. As somebody said a few pages ago, Dany's involvement seems to stifle in the books, but they need to keep her refreshing for the show as she is basically the poster girl.

Just an aside, but does it irk anyone else when the actors have no clue on their characters? Like, Emilia Clarke who plays Daenerys, in a lot of her interviews on YouTube seems almost clueless as to who Daenerys actually is. It seems a bit lazy to play a role and not know anything about your character. In fact, in one of the clips on YouTube I saw, Kit and Richard (who play Jon and Robb) were the only ones of the cast there who'd actually read the books. I understand some like to keep it secret so it doesn't affect their performances, but surely picking up some of the earlier books and solely reading your own parts isn't too hard? Maybe I'm just being picky, I don't know.

Considering that Daenerys is useless for the first five books, they should just decide to nake Emilia Clarke until when the show will start showing the events of the sixth book, that is the only way to keep the public interested.

About the books, I think that Littlefinger and Tyrion have read them too. Richard IIRC, read (before season 1) the first book, then before season 2 the second book and before season 3 the third book, in order to know only what will happen in that season but not his entire story. I don't think that the actors should neccesary read the books, it will get out from them the element of surprise. The characters won't know what will happen after 2 years so maybe it is a good idea that the actors to not know it too.

 

[Cheesy]

But then there's also the fear they'll stretch some parts out, like they did in the books, and add in some new stuff. As somebody said a few pages ago, Dany's involvement seems to stifle in the books, but they need to keep her refreshing for the show as she is basically the poster girl.

Just an aside, but does it irk anyone else when the actors have no clue on their characters? Like, Emilia Clarke who plays Daenerys, in a lot of her interviews on YouTube seems almost clueless as to who Daenerys actually is. It seems a bit lazy to play a role and not know anything about your character. In fact, in one of the clips on YouTube I saw, Kit and Richard (who play Jon and Robb) were the only ones of the cast there who'd actually read the books. I understand some like to keep it secret so it doesn't affect their performances, but surely picking up some of the earlier books and solely reading your own parts isn't too hard? Maybe I'm just being picky, I don't know.

I think they'll know that whereas only big fans would go to the effort of reading the full books, they'll have a lot of casual viewers who watch the series because it's easier to follow. Stretching it out too much means losing viewers, and losing ratings potentially. They won't make the same mistakes the books did, I don't think.

On the characters, I think not reading the books makes sense for some of them because they won't want to spoil their characters direction. But, not reading the book isn't an excuse to put in a poor performance. The majority of great shows didn't come from books, and you've got actors in there who would've known their parts to a tee, so if they don't know their part then it's sort of just laziness, as opposed to not reading the book, although reading them would be further help.