In the show all the kids are older then in the book, aren't they? Makes only sense that Tommen is also played by an older character.
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In the show all the kids are older then in the book, aren't they? Makes only sense that Tommen is also played by an older character.
In the books, the battle between Margerie and Cersei for control of Tommen is a fairly big plot line. If I remember rightly, at one point he gets bribed with a kitten and storms off wanting to outlaw Turnips.
A 15 year old Tommen will take one look at his wife's boobies and all the kittens in the seven kingdoms won't be enough for Cersei to have any influence over him at all.
"When I'm King in my own right, I'm going to outlaw beets."
Tommen and Ser Pounce are right for the Iron Throne.
Tommen and Ser Pounce are right for the Iron Throne.Coldhands doesn't ride a horse mate. That's one of the most badass thing about him
The most interesting "flash" Bran had, for me, was the image of the Iron Throne. It looked like winter had finally come, and "snow" was falling on the Iron Throne.
From the TV thread:
Why do some book readers insist on posting in that thread no matter what? I don't think anyone realized yet, but if they see that you've got 30 odd posts in this thread there's going to be some mightily upset people. You can say it's just "general knowledge", but it's not. "Cersei is back as queen regent" is not something they can be sure of by now, nor "Margaery has no power at this moment".
Just don't post in there about actual plot stuff. At all.
Edit: If it didn't go without saying, be sure not to click on that post and reply to it thinking it's the book thread. It's the TV thread, but a book reader.
I see you also posted this:
You've got to know that post isn't okay as a book reader in the TV thread.
Why do some book readers insist on posting in that thread no matter what? I don't think anyone realized yet, but if they see that you've got 30 odd posts in this thread there's going to be some mightily upset people. You can say it's just "general knowledge", but it's not. "Cersei is back as queen regent" is not something they can be sure of by now, nor "Margaery has no power at this moment".
Just don't post in there about actual plot stuff. At all.
Edit: If it didn't go without saying, be sure not to click on that post and reply to it thinking it's the book thread. It's the TV thread, but a book reader.
I see you also posted this:
You've got to know that post isn't okay as a book reader in the TV thread.
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He used it as a distraction to get Sansa out of king's landing in the confusion that follows which then further strengthens his position. It's all part of the masterplan he has going in ASOS which ends up with him as lord of 2 different places and earning the loyalty of the key to the north, Sansa.
I think this is the basic idea:
Kill Joffrey: Because he's a dick
Frame Tyrion: Get him out of the picture. He meddles, could disrupt Littlefinger's plans, and is married to Sansa.
Get Sansa away from the capital and Tyrion: Since Littlefinger loves/has a creepy relationship with her/needs a Stark to reunite the North.
Arrange Robert Arryn's death. Marry Sansa, get Winterfall, reunite the North in Sansa's name, rule Winterfell, the Riverlands and the Vale, go to the Winchester and wait for it all to blow over.
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We really should avoid any sort of speculation about what will happen or filling in gaps for the non readers in the TV show thread. A book reader saying "Tommen will be king" is quite different to a non-reader saying it. It's really best not to talk about anything that hasn't happened yet, even if it's something viewers should be able to figure out for themselves.
On a side note, I noticed Frankie Boyle spoiling Tywin's death on twitter. What a cnut.
On a side note, I noticed Frankie Boyle spoiling Tywin's death on twitter. What a cnut.
I merely said Cersei has another son, not that he'll be king. I'm assuming that's fine when he's evidently in the show?
You said Cersei has another son in response to someone speculating that Margaery would be queen on her own now. Anyone who reads that and knows you're a book reader is going to know that Tommen will be the new king.
Not really though, because all I'm saying is that Cersei has another son. It's well known that in this society that if someone hasn't got a son but has a brother, they're next in line. For all they know, Tommen's going to get eaten by Hodor in the next episode. Surely just elaborating that Cersei has a son isn't spoiling?
The rules of succession really haven't been laid out for show watchers that well I don't think. It's not mentioning Tommen that's the problem it's that you did it in reply to a theory. You confirmed that the theory wasn't going to happen because Cersei has another son.
Maybe, but then maybe some people will see it like Scrumpet. And that's why we shouldn't post about anything plot related, at all. Even the most innocent post can be interpreted in many ways.
Wasn't really directing that at you, I was just using it as a general example.
Thing is though, let's say both you and a non-reader say that Cersei has another son. The implication when the non-reader says it is that "Tommen should be King next", whereas the implication when you say it is "Tommen will be king next". They read so much into everything book readers say that they will draw that inference, even if Tommen could theoretically be killed off in the next episode. Basically everything we say in that thread comes across as definitive, so it's best not to get involved in clarifying things.
I think they have. You know, since there was like whole 2 seasons where there was a war because of it.
The rules are also pretty much as in real life. Most people in that thread are British or Irish and are quite familiar with how these things work. Maybe not the Queen regent bit but it's pretty straightforward that Tommen is the new king.
Fair enough, I never really viewed it as a spoiler, but I'll not bother if anyone brings up something like it again. Under the rules it's technically fine, but I'll avoid posting stuff like that anyway.
As I said, while what I said doesn't fall outwith the rules at all, I'll make sure to be careful whenever posting in there. This reading the books and trying not to spoil stuff is hard. Even when you're saying something small, you forgot how much non-book readers read into every little comment.
Pretty clear from reading the other thread that it's not straightforward for them.
That lack of clarity was more down to the fact that they'd forgotten Tommen existed though, as opposed to not knowing the rules of succession.
According to the rules it's been mentioned in the show so there's nothing wrong with pointing it out.
People are just shit with memories and don't know who Tommen is. Everything is not clear to them. That's how some people are.
Just don't think there's any point in book readers correcting them about anything. Let them theorise based on false assumptions. That's half the fun and they'll find out next week anyway.
The point would obviously to correct the people who are wrong. Whether you agree with that is another thing. I don't mind it that much. Usually a smarter show watcher or a show watcher who's also reading up on all the clues and what have you point it out eventually so yes, in a way it's a bit pointless for a book reader to do so.
But it's not your place to correct people who are wrong, because as a booker reader it's impossible for the show viewers to know what part of your post has any other meaning and which doesn't.
Well, there should be common sense to judging based on the content of the post. If someone watched the TV serial fairly well, they'd know that Cersei has a second son. If someone forgets it, anybody can bring it up, book reader or what not. It's a bit shit if we go into the other thread and say Jon Snow will die, because there's nothing to base that on, but suggesting Tommen is in line for the throne is hardly ground breaking shit and you don't have to read books to suggest that.
Bloody hell, you're right of course. An elk! I really am rusty - I'm struggling to remember what happened in ADWD, let alone earlier than that.Coldhands doesn't ride a horse mate. That's one of the most badass thing about him
The most interesting "flash" Bran had, for me, was the image of the Iron Throne. It looked like winter had finally come, and "snow" was falling on the Iron Throne.
Good episode I thought, Joffreys death was more violent than I had imagined.
Two things though:
1) Didn't like how they handled Shae. In the books you really think 'You bitch!' when she arrives at the trial, now you wouldn't even be surprised.
2) I can't remember Theon confessing he didn't kill Bran & Rickon in the books, did he?
Two things though:
1) Didn't like how they handled Shae. In the books you really think 'You bitch!' when she arrives at the trial, now you wouldn't even be surprised.
2) I can't remember Theon confessing he didn't kill Bran & Rickon in the books, did he?
Both added. Also, did Vargo stayed at Harrenhal and then got defeated by one of Lannister bannermans (probably Clegane)?
If I remember correctly, Tywin sends Clegane after him.
Something like that. It is mentioned on the book that all his gang members were executed while he was being tortured from Clegane.
I've resulted in google to refresh my memory.
Clegane cuts off his limbs while keeping him alive, eventually they killed him so Celgane can go fight the Red Viper.
So now that Joffrey is dead, does anyone think they'll show THAT Jaime and Cersei scene?
Also, both he and Varys, whatever their ultimate plans really are (I trust very little of what those two say in the book) they both need Cersei around mucking up the kingdom.
Well said, people are getting way too uptight about things being spoilers that are not spoilers at all. True spoilers should be dealth with harshly, banning the person from the thread. Getting upset about things that are not spoilers should earn the person getting upset a ban from the thread.
Now about Bronn, does he come accross even cooler in the show then he did in the book?
You can say Tommen exists, but to even say he's next in line is saying too much. I don't think it's ever actually been directly mentioned that Tommen is in line. Now, you could argue that it's common sense, but only if we go by the succession rules that we know are in Westeros. Why correct them at all? Why not just let them find out on their own?
Yeah, he does. He has some great lines as well. They've fecked up Shae's character though and whitewashed Tyrion's.
Don't be ridiculous. There is no way for a show-watcher to know what is a spoiler or not, so they have to assume everything is. That's just how it works. Anything I as a book-reader say in that thread, whether I try to or not, is coloured by the fact that I know what is going to happen. If you say Tommen is next in line for the throne and they realize you've read the books, they're going to start asking themselves whether you're saying that because it's been mentioned in the show, you're just making an assumption based on real world succession laws, or you know that Tommen is going to be crowned King. Your post can be completely innocent and it's still impossible for them to know that it is.
The solution is simple. Don't post in the thread about actual plot stuff. Any ambiguity to that rule leads to the instances we've had of people actually posting spoilers, whether they meant to or not.
Just don't post in that thread. You could give something away even if you don't mean to. And I enjoy seeing them work things out tbh
I actually agree with you nimic, other than very general things, I don't think we should be posting in that thread, there really isn't too much need tbh. Someone doesn't get something? Not really our problem.
As for the laws of succession in Westeros, I'm pretty sure they were discussed earlier in the very same episode, re Robb Stark and his 2 'dead' brothers. if you somehow haven't yet gotten it from all the clues in the show, as well as the fact that they are very clearly a medieval, fuedal society.
But yes, I don't really see the need to post in that thread.
As for the laws of succession in Westeros, I'm pretty sure they were discussed earlier in the very same episode, re Robb Stark and his 2 'dead' brothers. if you somehow haven't yet gotten it from all the clues in the show, as well as the fact that they are very clearly a medieval, fuedal society.
But yes, I don't really see the need to post in that thread.
Will agree to disagree, if they want to be utter stupid twats getting upset over things that should be obvious to anyone watching the show regardless of whether they read the books or not, then they need to be told to calm down. Something is either a spoiler or it isn't. If it isn't then they have no leg to stand on whining about it.