In the books, he comes up with some hilarious one liners probably without even realising himself. Most of it they've cut out from the show though
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In the books, he comes up with some hilarious one liners probably without even realising himself. Most of it they've cut out from the show though
On another note, did Varys knew about the regicide? Of course, a dead Joffrey was good for him, but he hates Littlefinger.
He is supposed to know everything, so a bit strange how he wasn't an actor on that game.
He is supposed to know everything, so a bit strange how he wasn't an actor on that game.
No one knows everything, not even Varys.
Last we'll see of him for a while too.
He doesn't know absolutely everything. Granted, he knows most things and he knows more than anyone else does, but he doesn't literally know every single thing.
Marrying a nine year old would have been weird though. Think thats probably why they did it.
Well, this was quite a big thing to be missed by him. Especially considering that there were multiple actors (Littlefinger, Olenna, Sansa and fool Dontos with possibly some others too).
Anyway, great adaptation of the episode. Loved also the version of Rains of Castamere on the end.
Oberyn Martell is such a great character. Shame that we saw him only on three or four chapters.
I think they'll come round soon enough. The only 'good guy' left to rally for (apart from Tyrion) is Jon, and when they see Stannis with him, he'll grow on them. Similar things are happening with Jaime and his relationship with Tyrion recently.
I was just thinking this today, it's been the entire TV show so far imo. They've made TV Cersei to be a lot more likable than book Cersei who was just a vile bitch
I've forgotten so much. Can someone refresh my memory as to who actually poisoned him and why? I remember Olena and Little Finger being in on it but can't really remember their reasons.
Basically,
Dontos gave Sansa the necklace (hairnet in the books)
When Olena pats Sansa she removes one of the stones from the necklace which is poisonous and that's served to Joffrey.
Olena didn't want her precious grand daughter to be bedded by Joffrey. Littlefinger spread tales about Joffrey's infamy when he went to them to secure the alliance initially.
Was going to ask the same, wasn't it something to do with the pearls that were given to Sansa by Littlefinger?
Also, lots of people in the tv thread are saying it's obvious who did it based on certain looks/scenes, anyone know what they mean?
EDIT: That's the one, thanks akash
Ah. So what does Littlefinger gain out of this? Was it his intention to frame Tyrion and get Sansa?
Oh and @Cina, I just saw this - http://kotaku.com/the-big-thing-you-mightve-missed-in-last-nights-game-of-1563058360
So pretty much everything is shown in the episode if you have a real eye for detail.
Littlefinger says he wants to give Sansa Winterfell.
If Littlefinger told me the sky was blue, I'd check again just to be sure. He's just a highly functioning sociopath.
So we're still not entirely sure why Littlefinger was involved in Joffrey's death?
I'm not sure I understand why she would have to do it like that. What's the point of the necklace? Why couldn't she just drop the poison in the cup like she apparently does anyway? Frame Sansa?
Ah, so everyone now knows already it was her then, meh, we waited a while to actually find out she did it, you think they'd make those tv show feckers have to do the same.
Think it was to frame Sansa, just in case. I saw an interview with Martin where he said that Olenna's intention was for it to appear like a genuine choking accident, but that she hadn't anticipated Cersei being so paranoid as to immediately begin accusing people.
That was a fantastic episode. There wasn't a bad scene imo. Obviously all the talk will be on the Purple Wedding, but there were also great scenes with Ramsey/Reek/Roose, Jaime and Bronn, Tyrion, and Cersei being a twat. What I found really interesting though was Bran's 'experience' with the weirwood.
There's flashes of some things that have happened in the past. Ned in the Godswood amongst others. I can't quite remember but can't greenseers use the weirwoods as a way to see past/present/future? It looked like we saw a close up of a zombified horse...Coldhands' horse? Obviously they haven't met Coldhands yet. And there is also a flash of a dragon's shadow flying over what appears to be KL. If so, does this confirm that Danerys and her dragons will definitely come to Westeros? (I remember there was talk a few pages back that it was be very GRRM for Danerys to not even make it across the Narrow Sea...)
I could be reading far too much into that 'montage', but I thought I'd mention it as the Purple Wedding has dominated the discussion (and rightly so).
There's flashes of some things that have happened in the past. Ned in the Godswood amongst others. I can't quite remember but can't greenseers use the weirwoods as a way to see past/present/future? It looked like we saw a close up of a zombified horse...Coldhands' horse? Obviously they haven't met Coldhands yet. And there is also a flash of a dragon's shadow flying over what appears to be KL. If so, does this confirm that Danerys and her dragons will definitely come to Westeros? (I remember there was talk a few pages back that it was be very GRRM for Danerys to not even make it across the Narrow Sea...)
I could be reading far too much into that 'montage', but I thought I'd mention it as the Purple Wedding has dominated the discussion (and rightly so).
Okay, that was the only reason I could think of. Seems like they only half went with it in the show, though, at least the "choking accident part". I'm no doctor, but I don't think your eyes start to bleed if you choke to death.
I like how they sort of made Joffrey look like a white walker at the end, the lil shit.
Although in the books he tried to gouge out his own throat, would've been even better to show that.
Although in the books he tried to gouge out his own throat, would've been even better to show that.
More likely Tyrion. They could spin some tale about how Tyrion wanted to poison the king using Sansa etc... Once Tyrion is killed or sent to the wall they come back to the original plan of marrying Sansa to Willas and getting Winterfell as part of the bargain.
Only god knows what he wants.
Yeah I actually hoped they would make it nice as bloody as in the books. I guess most people would have enjoyed that.
Yeah from the description in the books it sounded proper nasty. No way it could have been 'just a choking accident'.
Littlefinger seems to enjoy stirring trouble while being safe in the knowledge that he is smart enough to take advantage of it. He's really a bit of an opportunist, and Joffrey's death presents him with a few opportunities. For a start it must cement an alliance with the Tyrells, no? It doesn't damage his standing with the Lannisters either and creates the kind of chaos in their ranks that he might be able to take advantage of. Plus if nothing else it'd distract attention from whatever he's getting up to in the vale.
In the grand scheme of things his plan seems to be to pit the major powers against each other and have them drag each other down while he steadily rises in the background. This fits in generally with his MO I guess.
In the grand scheme of things his plan seems to be to pit the major powers against each other and have them drag each other down while he steadily rises in the background. This fits in generally with his MO I guess.
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Well if you consider that he is playing the game of thrones doesn't that leave only one possibility what he is really going for? The iron throne.
I see GRRM wrote this one, no surprises as he always writes the best ones. Always interesting to see what he changes from the books, you get the impression it's the way he'd have done it had he the chance to rewrite them. I remember he said before that he regretted not having Theon/Ramsay in it til book five, I think.
I'm kind of surprised by that actually. I always thought one of the most eerie parts about Theon's transformation to Reek was that we didn't see it happen. We're given often vague details about what Ramsay did to him, but we're kind of left to use our own imaginations, and then there's that brilliant initial shock when you realise what's happened to Theon, and for people who read the books first the fact that he's still alive would've been another twist, nevermind what happened to him.
Makes more sense to put it into the show though, since you can't just get rid of a major actor for a season then bring him back. I know a lot of people didn't seem to like the torture scenes in season 3, but the interactions between Theon/Ramsay in that episode were excellent.
I loved Joffrey's little dance as he cut open the pie
How did you do it?
Trade secret.
They very had very subtle hints at it but no way would anyone guess if they didn't have someone point out the little details.
It's the internet age, people will find out everything.
The actor playing Tommen seems a lot older than he should be.
Everyone else has aged up so I suppose Tommen has too.
The new actor playing him was actually in the show already, as one of the hostages Karstark killed.