She can easily gain the extra men from the khalasar she encountered and wrap up the Mereen story in half a book and be in Westeros for the start of the next.
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I can see that happening. Her sense of entitlement is grating as is the fact that neither Jorah nor Barristan had any balls to tell her everything. She has no claim to the throne, she needs to take it with her dragons and fast!
She needs someone like Tyrion alongside her to simply tell her it as it is, otherwise she's got no chance when she comes to Westeros. Jorah was honest with some things, but held back because he was too scared too offend her. The only thing that would deter Tyrion is the threat of losing his life, however he doesn't seem to hold that with much value right now.
Well that's true but is it really her fault? I mean she grew up consistently being told that her family are the rightful heirs to the throne in Westeros. She only slowly discovers through stories from her advisers that the stuff she thinks is so black and white really isn't that way at all.
I actually really like her and her story arc because she is slowly brought down to earth through realizing that some parts of her family weren't all that great as she thought they were, including her father and through the whole slavery arc that it takes much more then a good set of morals to be a king/leader.
I always saw her way as a rite of passage of a good queen so to speak. She starts out very meekly under the dominance of her brother and goes on to emancipate herself from him discovering her own power and just when she has gathered her army and thinks she is ready to rule the world she gets brought down to earth again, has to marry a man she doesn't love and has to compromise with her enemies, with some she even has to make common cause and I feel she is now at the point where she realizes that the world doesn't really play by the rules she is setting but by a much more complex set.
Her flying away on Drogon seems to mark the end of that journey and I think we will see her coming back to Westeros once she returns from her not entirely voluntary sabbatical as a changed person and conqueror/ruler.
I think that is one thing to keep in mind that everyone of the main characters makes a journey that will forever change who they are and even if they start ignorant, proud, self-righteous and arrogant they all change and adept or die.
Personally there was never really a story arc in the books that I didn't like reading, they all added either another layer to this wonderful world or another facet to the characters in it even if I didn't like the person at the start I really came around to liking almost all of them apart from Cersei and even her story arc is an interesting one albeit I really think she needs to die rather sooner then later.
The thing is if you think about it, she can't just be a character who goes "oh I have dragons, lets go instantly take over Westeros, then." She inherited the same issue her brother had, no army. Once Khal Drogo died she lost her Dothraki horde. She bought a nice slave army, but not big enough to attack Westeros with. She then also got a huge number of freed slaves who are not warriors following her around and they have to be taken care of. Plus she has to wait until her dragons first get big enough to be a real force and then of course be able to ride and control them, which takes time.
Then she also has the issue of needing a fleet, that has not been easy to get. Having to deal with the enemies who are after her in Easteros. She has to convince whatever army she builds that they should abandon their homelands to take her to her homelands so she can rule their and abandon them. But it will also mean leaving behind many of the non-warrrior slaves she freed, with no protection something that I think she will end up struggling with.
But like many other characters, most notably the Starks she has a narrow code of honor and just like the Starks that narrow code does not leave much room to manoeuvre.
Of course you also have the fact that everybody wants to use her for their own purposes meaning she is in a constant battle with not just those who are not interested in her goals, but those who have their own plans for how to go about it.
Being very young I think also has driven her to make some poor decisions, she may be the mother of dragons but she has no real experience leading an army, ruling, etc. This is what I think has led to many of the decisions that have left her trapped at Merreen.
As far as being self-entitled, well that is something we see in pretty much all the power players vieing for the thrown. You sort of have to be self-entitled to want to place yourself on the thrown.
I dunno about this.
Bran has reached his destination and I don't see him ever coming back from that cave. Arya has even made her first kill so a large part of her training is over and now it's just a case of finding a convenient way for going back. Tyrion's storyline is linked to Dany now and he has every incentive to get her to hurry up if he wants the rock. Stannis, if he wins (which seems likely) will have the backing of the entire north to take the throne.
@JustAFan I agree with a lot of that, and much of it is true, but there's just something about her in general I can't warm to. I agree a lot of what she's done makes sense from a character direction, but I find her quite bland in general. Characters like Tyrion and Jaime have their own wit which makes them entertaining to read, while others often feel a lot more relateable. For some reason, I just kind of find a lot of her story really bland and hard to get into compared to some of the others.
I don't think he's going to have any problems tying the story up in two books.
The thing is, if we assume Stannis does defeat the Bolton's , and lord knows GRRM loves to throw us some curveballs, then his attention turns back to even further north and defeating the threat that is "The Whitewalkers" It seems to be based on what the Red Witch is saying to him, that she feels the only way for him to claim the thrown is to defeat the true enemy of the kingdom, thus saving everyone from being over run by The Whitewalkers and their army of wights.
Pretty soon now the fight for the Iron Throne is going to be shown to be essentially irrelevant. Daenerys could very well end up taking the throne, then have to rush north to help Jon or Stannis or whoever, depending on who's actually alive at that point.
I think after the upcoming battle of Mereen, things will start moving pretty quickly on the Dany front. She has a rival seemingly family member now on Westeros with an army. She might soon have access to a small fleet of the Iron Born. Though she also has a plague to deal with. With the murder of the last Lannister who could and who was willing to help Cersei rule in a way that is not totally inept the Seven Kingdoms are in a heap of trouble. Though she still has to pass her trial to maintain any sort of power.
Will Dorne once again join with House Targaryen? Or are they only interested in putting a Dornish fanny on the Iron Throne?
And with Littlefinger and Varys, just what are there real plans? Oh I know they have said certain things, but with both of them how much can you trust what they are saying? Plans within Plans.
So much to resolve. I am expected a bloodbath that next two books that will make the Red Wedding look tame. We may not yet have met the person who ends up on the throne, if anyone does.
To be honest, I am taking everything Melisandre says with a pinch of salt. She's been wrong more than she's been right so far.
I am not too sure how the Whitewalkers thing will play out. The North have no chance of stopping them without the dragons so I think there's still time left before the the actual invasion happens. But I think Stannis is playing it right regardless. I think he'll win (he better win ffs!!) and thus have a much better chance at taking the throne than he had while he was at dragonstone. I was just disagreeing with alex that he was fighting the wrong men.
Does anyone have any theories for littlefinger? I don't understand what he's up to and what he gains from it all. Maybe he's just trolling everyone and loving the chaos
It's going to have to be two monster books plus the pacing of Storm of Swords for everything to be concluded. Lots of things did come together in DwD so I'm hopeful the pace picks up now.
It could also end up being irrelevant because Westeros is becoming a total wreck that will soon be hit with a hard winter but desperately short of food in many areas. War continues to rage accross most of the continent. Places where war has not broken out will soon be faced with it. It will be like wanting to be Mayor of New Orleans starting the day after Katrina.
Oh I know someone's ass will end up on that Throne.
They were all dead the whole time, Westeros is purgatory.
Done!
Or, one of the Dire Wolf pups wakes up and it was all a dream.
Well he wants the throne don't he. Or so it seems. He has always been the outsider, even while being the Master of Coin, he was looked down upon his whole life, whether by the woman/women he wanted, other higher born lords, etc. he has a massive chip on his shoulder but instead of using physical power (which he has little of) he uses his cunning. It would not be beyond him to just want to bring the whole system of lords and ladies crashing down so that people like him can aspire to real power or just to watch it all burn. But most likely he wants something, he always wants something or someone, he is not just some sort of clever anarchist.
The question remains with him, is he on anyone's side other than his own. How much is he working with Varys, or do they each just take advantage of the opportunities presented by each others schemes?
That's what it looked like until he said he wanted to marry Sansa to Harry the heir. Until that point he had both the North and Eyrie in his grip. If they get married littlefinger loses control of both so I don't get the thinking behind that. Or maybe he's just doing it out of sentiment towards Sansa
I could talk about this series for hours. Mind boggling scope!
Especially if you consider that they are usually 800+ pages strong.
Oh and I remember him also saying that he will bring down the point of view characters for the next two books. I guess a lot of the characters that were introduced as pov characters will either die or not get any pov chapters anymore.
Well, he said he's not introducing any new PoV characters, he didn't say he's getting rid of any.Especially if you consider that they are usually 800+ pages strong.
Oh and I remember him also saying that he will bring down the point of view characters for the next two books. I guess a lot of the characters that were introduced as pov characters will either die or not get any pov chapters anymore.
The next episode is called 'The lion and the rose' and is writen by GRRM himself. The Internet will get united in joy and happiness to celebrate the little shit's death.
Piss of Revan, not everyone wants to know when everything happens in the TV show.
No mention of the TV show in this thread!
I'm serious, delete or spoiler that shit. I don't want to know exactly what's going to happen in every episode.
Well the way the story has been going I think it's save to say that not all of the PoV characters will live to see the end of this whole saga.
I posted the name of the next episode. That isn't a spoiler, you little girl.
If we can't talk about the episode titles in a TV show where we know what is going to happen... yeah, that's stupid.
Gleeson is a brilliant actor though so would be a bit said to see him go.
Yeah especially because I heard he doesn't want to pursue a career as an actor? Would be really sad if that would remain his only work as an actor.
That's what it looked like until he said he wanted to marry Sansa to Harry the heir. Until that point he had both the North and Eyrie in his grip. If they get married littlefinger loses control of both so I don't get the thinking behind that. Or maybe he's just doing it out of sentiment towards Sansa
I could talk about this series for hours. Mind boggling scope!
So far, he doesn't really have the north under his grip because no one knows (or no one is saying they know) that he has Sansa. When they get married, I imagine he'd reveal that it's her. While he wouldn't have control of the Eyrie and the North in name, I expect he's got some sort of plan that'll ensure he's able to ultimately have power in both still, due to arranging the marriage. Not to mention that in name, Harrenhall and the Riverlands are his.
It's true. Here is the article on it. Video in the link.
The Irish Independent said:
Source.
He also bashed celebrity culture at the Oxford Union.
Didn't watch it all, but apparantly one of the quotes are:
"It was an environment from which I instantly wanted to retreat," [Gleeson] admitted. "I detested the superficial elevation and commodification of it all, juxtaposed with the grotesque self-involvement it would sometimes draw out in me."
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we know what's going to happen, we don't know when it will.
You laid out the rules yourself in the first post; nothing is a spoiler in this thread. Besides, no one knows when anything will happen. We're just guessing. It's a very likely guess, but it's still just a guess. Other things like Zombie Cat didn't happen when we thought they would.
It would be a little bit absurd if we can talk about characters, actors, directors, what may or may not happen and when it may or may not happen, but episode names for the TV show is strictly forbidden.
It would be a little bit absurd if we can talk about characters, actors, directors, what may or may not happen and when it may or may not happen, but episode names for the TV show is strictly forbidden.
When did people think that would happen? I was expecting it to be the final scene of season 4.
Well there was some speculation that it could be the final scene of Season 3, with the episode called Mhysa, aka mother. It seemed plausible that there could be some double play, with it referring both to the obvious Mhysa/Dany thing, but also to Cat.
Ah never knew that, hadn't read the books back then. It would've been good since it would've brought more to what was arguably a bit of a lackluster finale, although it wouldn't have left a lot of time to recover from the RW and would've taken some of the impact away immediately.
GRRM has already admitted as much- he thinks the show will pass him and according to the show's creators, GRRM has told them how everything will end, but he just hasn't fleshed out what leads to it. Also, from what the creators said, this season onwards might see them veering a lot more from the books to keep things interesting, so we'll see. All in all, I think we'll get a scenario with the same endings, but different ways of getting there.
I hope the TV show doesn't spoil the endings of the books. I'd much rather watch a TV show I know the ending to than read a book I know the ending to.
It seems inevitable now that it's going to happen. With plot points from AFFC/ADWD being pushed forward, a lot of those books will be compressed into season 5, meaning by season 6 we'll be well into material that would be in the 6th book. Even if it is done for then, he'll have a race against time to get the 7th book out and he probably won't manage to in time. Obviously the two will differ, but I expect that the series will still be largely similar, meaning they'll give us the general ending first.
HBO has just announced that the show has been renewed for a fifth and sixth season.
I think I just might stop watching Game of Thrones if it catches up to the books, although that depends on how far off track they're actually planning to go.