Books A Song of Ice and Fire (Books) | TV show? What TV show?

Nickosaur said:
Thought I'd bump this for people wanting to discuss the books and TV show. Shit's starting to kick off in the TV thread...

Anyway, thoughts on the Season 4 trailer? We get a very short glimpse of Oberyn vs Gregor. Oberyn looks pretty cool, but Gregor doesn't seem to look anywhere near big enough to be The Mountain...from what I saw anyway. Like I said, it was a very short clip. Hasn't Gregor been recast (again)?

Also, was that a dragon flying over King's Landing at the start, or another city? Seemed like King's Landing, but surely that would have to be a dream/vision if so?
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The "actor" is about as big as it gets. He's Icelandic and is very likely going to be the World Strongest Man in 2014. He's 205cm and 175kg.

The rest is up to the cinematographer to make him bigger. There aren't many men that are (former wrestler that played the big guy in Troy comes to mind).
 
I should have read the books before watching the tv show. I am halfway through the second book at the moment and i keep looking at the character names and trying to match their name to a face rather than building my own image and reflection of the person which is one of the great things about a book usually. Kind of takes away from the experience a little bit but i suppose that is like any book/movie or book/tv show. Also with GoT there are so many characters you are able to make an image for some of the lesser ones.
 
SilentWitness said:
I should have read the books before watching the tv show. I am halfway through the second book at the moment and i keep looking at the character names and trying to match their name to a face rather than building my own image and reflection of the person which is one of the great things about a book usually. Kind of takes away from the experience a little bit but i suppose that is like any book/movie or book/tv show. Also with GoT there are so many characters you are able to make an image for some of the lesser ones.
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I didn't think it mattered much for GoT. I enjoyed the more expansive explanations, settings, the bigger range of characters in the books.

Also once you've read a bit past the show you're really going to enjoy the characters you've not heard about.
 
Mel_F said:
Ahhh can't wait to watch the reactions to the Purple Wedding!

Also, feck GRRM for killing Oberyn. He was so badass. In the fight with Gregor, I went from feck YES to sitting in stunned silence. I'm still pissed when I reread that scene.
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When people say TRW was the scene that got to them the most, this is actually the scene that affected me the most by far. Remember reading it on a bus ride, being stunned into silence and just shutting the book.
 
Seveneric said:
When people say TRW was the scene that got to them the most, this is actually the scene that affected me the most by far. Remember reading it on a bus ride, being stunned into silence and just shutting the book.
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Personal opinions and all that, but this fight/outcome did nothing to me. It's between two characters that I don't really care about, one just popped up not long ago (albeit a badass character) and the other not a central villain (even though he's supremely evil in his own rights). Obviously I was rooting for RV and quite disappointed that he got killed the way he did, but ultimately, I was like "Meh, even if he wins and the Mountain gets what he deserves, so what?" because at that point, I had a strong feeling that Tyrion's fate was not dependent on the outcome of the fight one way or the other.

RW and the (fake) death of Bran/Rickon did so much more to my sanity in comparison.
 
December_16 said:
Personal opinions and all that, but this fight/outcome did nothing to me. It's between two characters that I don't really care about, one just popped up not long ago (albeit a badass character) and the other not a central villain (even though he's supremely evil in his own rights). Obviously I was rooting for RV and quite disappointed that he got killed the way he did, but ultimately, I was like "Meh, even if he wins and the Mountain gets what he deserves, so what?" because at that point, I had a strong feeling that Tyrion's fate was not dependent on the outcome of the fight one way or the other.

RW and the (fake) death of Bran/Rickon did so much more to my sanity in comparison.
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Like someone said above, up until then, Gregor had been made out to be the absolute shittiest person in all of Westeros(or at least up there) and Oberyn's motive for wanting to kill him was easy to root for, so the combination of seeing him get the better of a horrible person and then seeing him die when he came so close was just gut wrenching for me.
The RW for me featured two characters I didn't care about. Robb- we never got a POV from him so I never felt attached to him at all and once he broke the marriage vow, I knew he'd pay, so when it happened, it was a feeling of "well you got what was coming you naive little shit", the scenario and how it was planned, actually impressed me more than anything. As for Catelyn, she meant nothing to me either, her "better than everyone" attitude and the part where she tells Jon- "it should have been you" + freeing Jaime, pretty much sealed her fate for me and I never warmed to her. I know she was grieving and all that, plus she never fully accepted Jon, but it was shitty.
Fake Bran/Rickon death was a "he'd never do that" moment for me, therefore I refused to believe it until it was 100% confirmed, wasn't surprised when it turned out false.
 
I'm exactly the same for the bran/rickon thing. Didn't actually think they were dead and I always suspected they were hiding somewhere.
 
I must be the only one who loved the iron islands part of the story?

Euron Greyjoy at the kingsmoot was pure gold
 
akash02 said:
I must be the only one who loved the iron islands part of the story?

Euron Greyjoy at the kingsmoot was pure gold
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I wasn't overly thrilled by that plot, seemed to drag a bit for me, certainly at the beginning anyway. Euron does seem an interesting character though.
 
I love the whole drowned spirituality of theirs, I grew to care for the harsh iron islands. Aeron standing before the ocean's crashing and thought of just letting things break on him, as the roaring ocean does on the isles, was pretty cool to me as a north-west Noggy.
 
December_16 said:
Personal opinions and all that, but this fight/outcome did nothing to me. It's between two characters that I don't really care about, one just popped up not long ago (albeit a badass character) and the other not a central villain (even though he's supremely evil in his own rights). Obviously I was rooting for RV and quite disappointed that he got killed the way he did, but ultimately, I was like "Meh, even if he wins and the Mountain gets what he deserves, so what?" because at that point, I had a strong feeling that Tyrion's fate was not dependent on the outcome of the fight one way or the other.

RW and the (fake) death of Bran/Rickon did so much more to my sanity in comparison.
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For me, it was a good v evil, Oberyn fighting for the justice of Elia that made me root for him, and the fact that Gregor had been made out to be this monster. The way the fight was going, especially Oberyn shouting ELIAAAA was so stereotypical good guy defeating bad guy that I was fully expecting him to kill Gregor, only for GRRM to completely feck with us and have Gregor kill Oberyn. That was the shock value for me. It was when it really hit home that this wasn't a stereotypical fantasy book, this was real life where the good guy doesn't always win in the end.
 
Mel_F said:
For me, it was a good v evil, Oberyn fighting for the justice of Elia that made me root for him, and the fact that Gregor had been made out to be this monster. The way the fight was going, especially Oberyn shouting ELIAAAA was so stereotypical good guy defeating bad guy that I was fully expecting him to kill Gregor, only for GRRM to completely feck with us and have Gregor kill Oberyn. That was the shock value for me. It was when it really hit home that this wasn't a stereotypical fantasy book, this was real life where the good guy doesn't always win in the end.
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It was then that hit home? You didn't pay much notice to the fact that the one honorable guy in all of King's Landing was killed off in the first book?

Or the fact that the whole Stark clan was wiped out, culminating in a wedding?
 
marjen said:
It was then that hit home? You didn't pay much notice to the fact that the one honorable guy in all of King's Landing was killed off in the first book?

Or the fact that the whole Stark clan was wiped out, culminating in a wedding?
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:lol: I knew as soon I posted that someone would say something like this. I think when I read it, I was more, surely he's going to kill Gregor, surely! But no :(
 
A question for you all, that possibly sound a bit stupid:

Did Jon Snow die in the last book? I didn't think this was clear. I get we're supposed to think that he's dead, but do you reckon Martin's actually killed him off?
 
marjen said:
It was then that hit home? You didn't pay much notice to the fact that the one honorable guy in all of King's Landing was killed off in the first book?

Or the fact that the whole Stark clan was wiped out, culminating in a wedding?
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Was about to say the same :lol:

I wish the fat bastard would get of his arse and finish the damn thing.
 
marjen said:
A question for you all, that possibly sound a bit stupid:

Did Jon Snow die in the last book? I didn't think this was clear. I get we're supposed to think that he's dead, but do you reckon Martin's actually killed him off?
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Warging nudge nudge wink wink. But I seriously doubt Jon Snow will be killed off seeing as there are a lot of theories surrounding his actual parentage and what role he will play in the end game.
 
One thing I hope doesn't happen is that Martin deviates from the original story because a number of the theories including the most famous one have been worked out. It's his own fault for taking so long with the books!
 
akash02 said:
Nah, he can't be dead. That would be ridiculous
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Would it? More ridicilous than some of the other deaths?

I mean, he's basically kept Cath and Robb's story arcs alive for about a book longer than strictly necesarry. Why shouldn't he keep Jon around on the wall, then decide to kill him? I guess the obvious answer is "but how will we get updates from the wall". But then again he could just add another POV-character from Castle Black or something?
 
Mel_F said:
Warging nudge nudge wink wink. But I seriously doubt Jon Snow will be killed off seeing as there are a lot of theories surrounding his actual parentage and what role he will play in the end game.
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Yeah, of course. feck me, it's been a while since I finished the books so I've forgotten quite a lot of it.
 
marjen said:
Would it? More ridicilous than some of the other deaths?

I mean, he's basically kept Cath and Robb's story arcs alive for about a book longer than strictly necesarry. Why shouldn't he keep Jon around on the wall, then decide to kill him? I guess the obvious answer is "but how will we get updates from the wall". But then again he could just add another POV-character from Castle Black or something?
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I think yeah, his death would indeed be hell of a lot more ridiculous than any other death. He's even hinted in the past about how important Jon's parentage is to the story I think.

Would be seriously pissed off if he dies. I found the whole Jon as the lord commander boring as feck in the last book. In fact the entire book promised a lot but delivered very little.
 
marjen said:
Would it? More ridicilous than some of the other deaths?

I mean, he's basically kept Cath and Robb's story arcs alive for about a book longer than strictly necesarry. Why shouldn't he keep Jon around on the wall, then decide to kill him? I guess the obvious answer is "but how will we get updates from the wall". But then again he could just add another POV-character from Castle Black or something?
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He's already said he's not introducing anymore PoVs.
 
akash02 said:
I think yeah, his death would indeed be hell of a lot more ridiculous than any other death. He's even hinted in the past about how important Jon's parentage is to the story I think.

Would be seriously pissed off if he dies. I found the whole Jon as the lord commander boring as feck in the last book. In fact the entire book promised a lot but delivered very little.
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Yeah it was tedious, I agree.

Incidentally, if memory serves, I'd say this season on the TV-show will be the best of the lot.
 
marjen said:
A question for you all, that possibly sound a bit stupid:

Did Jon Snow die in the last book? I didn't think this was clear. I get we're supposed to think that he's dead, but do you reckon Martin's actually killed him off?
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I think I got a bit annoyed with some characters coming back from the dead. Cath I hated anyway and she's walking around like Dondarion now. The Mountain is the big lad guarding Cersi now right and he died at the hands of that lunatic Maester. I'd say he'll zombify Jon Snow. What about the guy on the Elk that guided Sam under the wall and Bran to the tree chair? I bet that's John Snow's Uncle who went missing!! Am I the only person waiting on a White Walker attack? I think the White Walkers swarming over the north would result in a massive war and all of Westeros going cap in hand to Blondie for the Dragons help!
 
He's definitely overdone the "not really dead" twist. I think he needs to pull off another RWesque shock to reintroduce some doubt over characters' fates. Right now there are two many characters who are clearly in absolutely no danger of dying any time soon.
 
Stick said:
I think I got a bit annoyed with some characters coming back from the dead. Cath I hated anyway and she's walking around like Dondarion now. The Mountain is the big lad guarding Cersi now right and he died at the hands of that lunatic Maester. I'd say he'll zombify Jon Snow. What about the guy on the Elk that guided Sam under the wall and Bran to the tree chair? I bet that's John Snow's Uncle who went missing!! Am I the only person waiting on a White Walker attack? I think the White Walkers swarming over the north would result in a massive war and all of Westeros going cap in hand to Blondie for the Dragons help!
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There just has to be a white walkers attack, the entire series started with how the white walkers were coming alive. And it's been stressed how they are the real enemy!

THe next book has the potential to be a classic. He dragged out the plot as much as he possibly could in DoD, now we should have action
 
akash02 said:
There just has to be a white walkers attack, the entire series started with how the white walkers were coming alive. And it's been stressed how they are the real enemy!

THe next book has the potential to be a classic. He dragged out the plot as much as he possibly could in DoD, now we should have action
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Yeah I expect Winds to pick up the action. In fact Martin has said the book will start off with the battle of Meereen / Slaver's Bay and the battle in the snow near Winterfell (Bolton vs Stannis's army).

I was about to say I'm not too bothered about what happens in Meereen, but then again, with Victarion and the Greyjoy fleet approaching, Tyrion and Jorah in the middle of it and Dany to surely return on her dragon? If Dany does return, it would be interesting to see if Victarion uses that dragon horn...
 
Nickosaur said:
Yeah I expect Winds to pick up the action. In fact Martin has said the book will start off with the battle of Meereen / Slaver's Bay and the battle in the snow near Winterfell (Bolton vs Stannis's army).

I was about to say I'm not too bothered about what happens in Meereen, but then again, with Victarion and the Greyjoy fleet approaching, Tyrion and Jorah in the middle of it and Dany to surely return on her dragon? If Dany does return, it would be interesting to see if Victarion uses that dragon horn...
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I wasn't too bothered with Dany in the last book but like with most plots now it's starting to look interesting again. There's Aegon coming back, Davos bringing back Rickon, Stannis and the Bolton's, the Whitewalkers, Tyrion and Jorah etc..

Dunno what his plans are with the Starks though. They are all in different places doing weird stuff!
 
Fake for me.

Quaithe:
The glass candles are burning. Soon comes the pale mare, and after her the others. Kraken and dark flame, lion and griffin, the sun's son and the mummer's dragon.
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And Daenerys' vision in the House of the Undying:
Glowing like sunset, a red sword was raised in the hand of a blue-eyed king who cast no shadow. A cloth dragon swayed on poles amidst a cheering crowd. From a smoking tower, a great stone beast took wing, breathing shadow fire. . . . mother of dragons, slayer of lies.
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Kraken- Victarion
Dark flame- ?
Lion- Lannister
Griffin- Jon Connington
Sun's son- Quentyn Martell
Mummer's dragon- Fake Aegon

Who was the pale mare again? Also, I'm kinda hoping there will be real krakens.
 
I need to read the books again I think. Haven't got a clue as to what all that means
 
akash02 said:
I wasn't too bothered with Dany in the last book but like with most plots now it's starting to look interesting again. There's Aegon coming back, Davos bringing back Rickon, Stannis and the Bolton's, the Whitewalkers, Tyrion and Jorah etc..

Dunno what his plans are with the Starks though. They are all in different places doing weird stuff!
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Arya has to come back as some sort of assasin. Isn't that what she's training for?
 
Mel_F said:
Kraken- Victarion
Dark flame- ?
Lion- Lannister
Griffin- Jon Connington
Sun's son- Quentyn Martell
Mummer's dragon- Fake Aegon

Who was the pale mare again? Also, I'm kinda hoping there will be real krakens.
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I think the Dark Flame could be Jon Snow depending on who his mam and dad are.
 
Stick said:
Arya has to come back as some sort of assasin. Isn't that what she's training for?
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That's what it looked like but I'm not sure how she's going to fit in the story. Same for the other Starks except Rickon who might come back as the King
 
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