Is there anything else from Martin you'd recommend - preferably something with a bit of closure too
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Is there anything else from Martin you'd recommend - preferably something with a bit of closure too
Haven't read anything other than ASOIAF and 'Tales of Dunk and Egg'. If you haven't read 'Tales of Dunk and Egg' go for them, there are three of them (about 100 pages each) so they can be a distraction until the next ASOIAF book. They're good written, not that much complex and have some references to ASOIAF (they are prequels but after you read them, you understand some things about ASOIAF which is impossible to understand without reading them).
The most famous one is potentially the identity of BloodRaven.
I've forgotten a lot of shit about this series.
Same, even though I've read it twice. A load of it will turn out to be pointless by the end anyway.
If it has an ends, and the fat feck doesn't go and die first.
If it has an ends, and the fat feck doesn't go and die first.
Hasn't he told HBO how it will end, so even if he does keel over and die before he writes it, the TV series can wrap things up as they're intended to be?
Edit: fecked up my "they're".
Edit: fecked up my "they're".
Yep. But still it cannot be near as good as if it gets written by him.
I am jelous. Going to start the second reading myself soon enough. There are a lot of things I have forgotten and when I go at Westeros forum, I see how many things I have missed.
Has he posted any updates on his blog about the progress for Winds of Winter? I don't remember seeing any since ADWD came out...
Don't think he posts updates on the blog with regards to the completion. If we're very lucky then WoW might come out towards the end of 2014 but sometime in 2015 is probably more realistic. Looking increasingly likely though that the tv show will overtake the books
Possibly. They may make three series out of ADWD/AFFC though, they're massive books, although not an awful lot happens. I think they'll start to change more and more though and eventually it'll take its own path, cause ... it'll have to.Don't think he posts updates on the blog with regards to the completion. If we're very lucky then WoW might come out towards the end of 2014 but sometime in 2015 is probably more realistic. Looking increasingly likely though that the tv show will overtake the books
I hope GRRM doesn't tell them his plans for the books and then the TV show spoils them, I'd much prefer reading the books first.
Dunno if there's 3 seasons worth of material in those 2 books given they both go hand in hand and as you said not a lot happens in that time frame. Have they finished Storm of Swords yet?
Yeah, much prefer the books but I think GRRM has already told them the ending and HBO guys might not be too inclined to wait around for him to finish writing. Generously speaking, 2018 is the earliest we can hope for him to complete the books and I can see the tv show finishing well before then. Avoiding the spoilers might be next to impossible if that's case
Started a new reading last week and I am near the ending of A Game of Thrones. fecking hell, it's really an amazing book.
Going to start next month. When Ned stark was killed in GoT I pretty much knew this was going to be a special series
Yep. It's only around 18 months since I first read them and already on the second reading. If GRRM continue being a lazy bastard, God knows how many other reading I'll do before the ending.
Don't think he posts updates on the blog with regards to the completion. If we're very lucky then WoW might come out towards the end of 2014 but sometime in 2015 is probably more realistic. Looking increasingly likely though that the tv show will overtake the books
He did post occasionally that he was working on ADWD while he was writing that. He'd always talk about going to battle Kong or the Mereenese Knot or some other metaphor for the book. Now, he doesn't even mention working on it.
I think he might have said he wasn't going to post so many updates this time. I think he got tired of people criticising how slow he was with ADWD, particularly whenever he posted something that wasn't related to the books.
And how the feck is GRRM going to finish this in 2 books? Is there going to be a 5 year gap or something? And I hope he doesn't die anytime soon either
I'm a bit worried about this actually. In the beginning, the books followed each other quite quickly, but between book 3 and 4, there were five years already and between 4 and 5 six years. I'm hoping that the succes of the series motivates him to concentrate on ASOIAF first and just finish them before working on other projects.
And just in case, I hope he has already written down the outlines for the whole story somewhere, so that someone else can finish it. Just like Robert Jordan did with his Wheel of Time series.
Thought I'd bump this for people wanting to discuss the books and TV show. Shit's starting to kick off in the TV thread...
Anyway, thoughts on the Season 4 trailer? We get a very short glimpse of Oberyn vs Gregor. Oberyn looks pretty cool, but Gregor doesn't seem to look anywhere near big enough to be The Mountain...from what I saw anyway. Like I said, it was a very short clip. Hasn't Gregor been recast (again)?
Also, was that a dragon flying over King's Landing at the start, or another city? Seemed like King's Landing, but surely that would have to be a dream/vision if so?
Anyway, thoughts on the Season 4 trailer? We get a very short glimpse of Oberyn vs Gregor. Oberyn looks pretty cool, but Gregor doesn't seem to look anywhere near big enough to be The Mountain...from what I saw anyway. Like I said, it was a very short clip. Hasn't Gregor been recast (again)?
Also, was that a dragon flying over King's Landing at the start, or another city? Seemed like King's Landing, but surely that would have to be a dream/vision if so?
That Oberyn v Gregor duel was epic in the books. The effect of repetition of 'you killed her' 'you raped her' etc.. in that scene was sensational although the end was a bit tame.
Are they doing iron islands this season?
Are they doing iron islands this season?
Oberyn getting killed by Gregor is probably the moment I hated George RR Martin more than ever. It was even worse than the death of Ned and the Red Wedding IMO. I thought that finally he won't go for the baddies but anyway. Liked him very much and it was a really great duel. Despite his cheating, he totally owned the most powerful warrior on the seven Kingdoms.
Was really the dragon on KingsLanding or not? If yes that Nickosaur is right, it has to be a vision.
In which episode Joffrey will die? I am going for the third one. The best moment on the history of TV shows.
Was really the dragon on KingsLanding or not? If yes that Nickosaur is right, it has to be a vision.
In which episode Joffrey will die? I am going for the third one. The best moment on the history of TV shows.
I honestly cannot remember anything that happened in the last couple books. This series is enjoyable, but completely forgettable for me.
Plenty of great moments, but it all just seems rather pointless. Maybe I'm just too impatient.
Plenty of great moments, but it all just seems rather pointless. Maybe I'm just too impatient.
Joffrey wil probaby kick the bucket in episode 2 or 3. They need enough time to buid up Oberyn/The Mountain and also for Joff's death to be a shock so the quicker the better.
I hope they do it early as well. My girlfriend had the Red Wedding spoiled for her and has had Tywin's death spoiled as well, so this is really the last big thing for a while, and if the Red Wedding was anything to go by, the closer to the episode we get, the more book readers will feel like sharing their thoughts on what's to come.
Other than some of the big storey lines, I've pretty much forgotten what's happened in the last 2 books as well. And a huge amount even before that. This really is a vast series.
Martin needs to focus on ASOIAF and not get distracted by side projects...
Apparently he's made progress with the book. Can't remember the exact numbers but something like halfway done or something to that effect since he cleared his schedule for a while.
While I can't wait for Joff's wedding/death, or the Oberyn vs Mountain battle, the one scene I'm dying to see is Tyrion vs Tywin in the Tower of the Hand, I imagine it will be the penultimate episode? One of my favourite chapters in all of the books - after being sentenced to death, humiliated and betrayed by Shea, and Jaime revealing the truth about Tysha, Tyrion just has no fecks left to give, and the way he carries out those killings is just...wow.
"But the stink that filled the privy gave ample evidence that the oft-repeated jape about his father was just another lie.
Lord Tywin Lannister did not, in the end, shit gold."
"But the stink that filled the privy gave ample evidence that the oft-repeated jape about his father was just another lie.
Lord Tywin Lannister did not, in the end, shit gold."
I think the Joffrey thing will happen around episode 3 probably, gives them enough time to build everything else up as well. I can see the Oberyn vs Mountain battle being the episode 9 thing, as well as a few other things, and then the final scene I'm guessing will be Lady Stoneheart making an appearance. That sure would shock everyone, having her for the ending!
Yep. Joffery will be dead on first three episodes (it will be interesting how well they implement his death, in the books it was a very smart and complex puzzle), the battle at wall on first two episodes, Oberyn vs Monatin on 9th episode, Snow becoming Lord Commander and Tywin getting killed on the final episode. I guess Catelyn returning will be somehow similar to the Others 'attack' on season 2, like an epilogue.
Speaking abouth The Others, what a feck are they motives?
So, probably the Purple Wedding in the third or fourth episode? Then you have Tyrion's trial and his season's arc ending with Tywin and Shae's death. I'm guessing the second last episode will be the battle at the wall too? Then ending with Lady Stoneheart.
Things I'm curious about:
- How they handle Oberyn. They'll have to make the audience like him a lot in a short space of time for his death to have the right impact.
- How they handle Shae's betrayal. TV Shae is a very different character to book Shae so it'll be interesting to see how the dynamics of that play out.
- What are they going to do with Theon, Ramsay and Yara for the season? Theon's story was thin enough last season, they really need to give him plenty to do. Same thing with Bran too.
- Whether they can keep people interested in Dany's storyline.
This is probably the last season that's guaranteed to be excellent. It'll be very impressive if they manage to make great, structured, coherent and well paced TV from AFFC and ADWD.
Things I'm curious about:
- How they handle Oberyn. They'll have to make the audience like him a lot in a short space of time for his death to have the right impact.
- How they handle Shae's betrayal. TV Shae is a very different character to book Shae so it'll be interesting to see how the dynamics of that play out.
- What are they going to do with Theon, Ramsay and Yara for the season? Theon's story was thin enough last season, they really need to give him plenty to do. Same thing with Bran too.
- Whether they can keep people interested in Dany's storyline.
This is probably the last season that's guaranteed to be excellent. It'll be very impressive if they manage to make great, structured, coherent and well paced TV from AFFC and ADWD.
I heard they were going their separate ways sort of, keeping generally the same main story lines but changing a lot more things from now on. There's no chance they could make 1 season on just one of those books seeing as half the characters are in it (and only the uninteresting characters basically in AFFC). This season should be brilliant though.
Battle at wall will happen somewhere on the beginning of the season. Snow becomes Lord Commander during ASOS.
This will be the best season of them all IMO. It will be faster with a lot of things happening. After it, we are for a borefeast on the next few years.
Being half of characters in one book and the other half on the other shouldn't be a problem because both books events happen on the same time. The problem is that it happens feck until the last hundred pages or so. Pretty much the only things I remember are Arienne's brother getting killed by dragons, dragons going rogue, Tyrion meeting with Jorah and Snow making peace with the wildlings. Then the last hundred pages or so when a lot of things start happening. There isn't more material than for two seasons on both books combined.
Yeah I think they might just combine the books into season 5, like George Martin first intended on doing anyways. Otherwise the show ratings could maybe take a hit because of the slower pace of book 4 and 5.
It does but I don't think they're doing it that way in the TV show. I'm pretty sure they're pushing the elections into season five and having the battle at the end of this season. I suppose the logic is that a) it'll give the more material to work with in season 5 and b) the battle would be wasted that early in the season, especially with Joffrey dying around that time too.
I'm basing this off reports I read that Neil Marshall (who directed Blackwater) was directing a battle centred episode for the season finale. That'd have to be the battle at the wall, wouldn't it?
Ahhh can't wait to watch the reactions to the Purple Wedding!
Also, feck GRRM for killing Oberyn. He was so badass. In the fight with Gregor, I went from feck YES to sitting in stunned silence. I'm still pissed when I reread that scene.
Also, feck GRRM for killing Oberyn. He was so badass. In the fight with Gregor, I went from feck YES to sitting in stunned silence. I'm still pissed when I reread that scene.
I actually stopped reading for a little while after oberyn died. GRRM is such a bastard that way. That is one scene I am most eager to see in the tv series. If done right, will be epic.
Aye, I really am not sure it'll have the same effect in the TV show though, should still be a great scene, but Ser Gregor was constantly being made out to be the most vile and hateable (even more than Joffrey) character in the books up until that point, and so far in the TV show, they've done nothing other than constantly recast him! I doubt anyone even knows who he is, they've done a shit job with him so far, I hope they bring him into S4 more.
They haven't introduced Elia at all in the show, but they'll probably do so this season when Oberyn comes in. And yeah doubt anyone knows who Gregor is, let alone that he's a monster. You just feel such a sense of injustice when Oberyn died, but not sure how they'll show that on screen. Joffrey's death should make up for it though.
The duel between Oberyn and the Mountain is my favourite chapter of the entire series, it certainly left a bigger impression on me then anything else, even the Red Wedding. No doubt they'll mess it up though
New sample chapter on GRRM website, if anyone is interested.
Link?