Books A Song of Ice and Fire (Books) | TV show? What TV show?

Yeah I'm not convinced by the Ned and Cat thing, they don't really work, Cat wasn't that old in the book and supposedly pretty good looking, bit of a difference here. She's a little dull.

I thought it was a good episode though, loved, loved, LOVED The Wall. Think they've made it to absolute perfection.
 
Red_Aaron said:
started reading the book last week after enjoying the first 2 tv shows and i'm really enjoying it so far

just finished the chapter where robert reinstates ned as his hand after his fight with the kingsguard.

have to say i found this weeks show really poor, whilst i'm sure it didnt help that i knew what was going to happen I noticed just how much they've cut out - particularly dialogue wise. when Ned & Cat arrive at the kingslanding there are several drawn out conversations/meetings between them and other characters that were reduced to a few lines in the tv show, they crammed a bit to much of the story into the last show and disrupted the pace of it imo.

I'm also disappointed that they altered the exchange between dany and viserys in the long grass. They showed her being rescued from him but didnt show her first fighting back and then making the decision to take away his mount herself, showing her to be recognising her own power was an important part of the scene but they took it away from her and made out it was the dothraki guards decision.

but yeah, i'm loving the book and i'll be finished it in a couple more days. does the next one follow straight on from this or does it take place in another period/place of the same world?
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The more closely you compare it with the book the less you will enjoy I found.
 
Ok guys, changed the OP so that non-book readers know to stay the fewk out now.

As discussed, no spoilers are needed for anything book related now.

My biggest wonder actually, the final scene in the book, I wonder what the dragons will actually be like. I hope they don't look like poor CGI seeing as they play such a monumental part from then on.
 
philipb231190 said:
Is there a map of the world it's set in? I googled Game of Thrones map but I'm not sure if every place was included in it.
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This is Westeros only. I've not seen a map of Essos.
 
niMic said:
They're all older. Almost every single character. I don't particularly mind.
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Ya, I get the impression from the books Ned/Cat etc were supposed to be in mid 30's. In this they are mid 50's.

I wonder if this is a conscious decision by HBO to move away from the idea that in GOTs, people start knocking out babies at 15-16ish.

Even then, the Stark kids should be ranging from like 4 to 16 I think is how old Rob and John are?

So I looked it up. Ned is like 34-35 at the time of GoT.
 
spinoza said:
No, don't think so. Some skirmishes in King's Landing perhaps. A Clash of Kings and A Storm of Swords - the clue's in the name :D
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Next episode should be the Hound and the Mountain along with the tournament. That will probably be about as much action as can be expected this season.
 
Most wars and battles aren't really depicted in the books though, you usually just hear about them. Which is probably good budget wise.

The Kings Landing one was though I think? The wildfire?
 
Nucks said:
Ya, I get the impression from the books Ned/Cat etc were supposed to be in mid 30's. In this they are mid 50's.

I wonder if this is a conscious decision by HBO to move away from the idea that in GOTs, people start knocking out babies at 15-16ish.

Even then, the Stark kids should be ranging from like 4 to 16 I think is how old Rob and John are?

So I looked it up. Ned is like 34-35 at the time of GoT.
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The Stark kids are 3 to 14-15 in the books. Now they're 6 to 16-ish. It's definitely a conscious decision by HBO, for a few reasons. For one, this has a lot of very serious roles for young actors. Finding kid actors who can play those roles must have been hard enough as it is. Imagine how hard it would be to find someone who could pass as 6 and play Brans role through the books, or Arya. They are still young in the series, but I think they found the perfect actors.

Also, of course, the babies stuff. Daenerys is like 12-13 in the books. She gets raped by a big buy. And then she starts loving him. I don't think it would work too well on American television, even HBO :p

That said, they did have a scene in the series with the woman with Daenerys who said she was sold to basically a whorehouse at the age of 9.. it's not exactly entirely chastised, still.
 
niMic said:
The Stark kids are 3 to 14-15 in the books. Now they're 6 to 16-ish. It's definitely a conscious decision by HBO, for a few reasons. For one, this has a lot of very serious roles for young actors. Finding kid actors who can play those roles must have been hard enough as it is. Imagine how hard it would be to find someone who could pass as 6 and play Brans role through the books, or Arya. They are still young in the series, but I think they found the perfect actors.

Also, of course, the babies stuff. Daenerys is like 12-13 in the books. She gets raped by a big buy. And then she starts loving him. I don't think it would work too well on American television, even HBO :p

That said, they did have a scene in the series with the woman with Daenerys who said she was sold to basically a whorehouse at the age of 9.. it's not exactly entirely chastised, still.
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Drogo doesn't rape her in the book if memory serves. In fact I am almost positive he doesn't rape her in the book. I believe the scene basically broke down with her crying, and him basically comforting her until she said "yes".

I could be wrong but I don't think I am!
 
you're spot on Nucks, he gave it the softly-softly approach and she was gagging for it an hour later, and shes a right goer by the end of the book

I finished the book for the first time last night, really enjoyed it though I would have preferred a little more closure on some of the stories. Dany, Jon and Eddards strings were progressed nicely (or finished in eddards case) but I felt we needed a bit more from the stark children who'd all fell by the wayside a little - I'm really looking forward to Arya becoming a badass medievel ninja type and hopefully getting her hands on that little cnut joffery.

anyone else find that the books really make you to want start collecting warhammer figures?

anyways off to start clash of kings!
 
One thing I really enjoy about the series, is how much of an awful cnut Cersie is. She is straight AWFUL, easily one of the most unlikable characters in any fiction ever.

She just gets worse and worse as the series progresses. All the children figure more into book 2 if I recall correctly. Especially with what happens at the end of book 1.
 
I strangely liked Cersei, she was a cnut for the most part, but she did treat Sansa quite well amidst all the horrific treatment from Joffrey, probably because she saw a bit of herself in her at that age.

I think when she and Jaime become POV characters in book 3 they get more likable, especially Jaime.
 
I'd say Cersei actually becomes less likable when we get her POV in the books. Jaime certainly gets more likable, almost likable even, but we just get a better look at Cersei's insanity. If A Song of Ice and Fire is a series of shades of grey, she's at the darker side of grey.
 
Nucks said:
Drogo doesn't rape her in the book if memory serves. In fact I am almost positive he doesn't rape her in the book. I believe the scene basically broke down with her crying, and him basically comforting her until she said "yes".

I could be wrong but I don't think I am!
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Well pardon me, but considering she's a 12 year old girl and he's a grown up warlord, I'd say that's - if not rape, then certainly rapeish. I have to admit I didn't like that part of the books, it just didn't seem believable, how quickly he won her over.
 
14, I'm pretty sure. Not that it matters too much though in terms of consent.
 
niMic said:
Well pardon me, but considering she's a 12 year old girl and he's a grown up warlord, I'd say that's - if not rape, then certainly rapeish. I have to admit I didn't like that part of the books, it just didn't seem believable, how quickly he won her over.
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People shouldn't let modern day sensibilities impact what they are seeing so much.

Through most of human history, when children hit puberty, they were sexually mature and paired off.

I think the fact Drogo just doesn't throw her down and have his way with her is especially poignant when you take this into consideration. We can accept that this series while fantasy, is taking its queues from real periods in our own history. The social norms being represented at this time would have allowed Drogo to do whatever he wanted with his new wife sexually once they were married. He could have raped her had he wanted to and nobody would have batted an eye.

The fact that he doesn't and waits for her to consent is a huge part of his character. The fact in the TV show he just takes her, and then she is supposed to fall head over heels for him later on down the road is going to cause problems, whereas if they stayed true to the books, the kindness he showed her in that instant, where consummation was not only expected but required, is an extremely important plot point when explaining how she does fall in love with him.

The reality that we are being shown in this series is that life is cheap, as it has been for most of human history and still is in most of the world even today. Historically people bred early because they died early. To place and expect modern day values to be represented in this instance is essentially anachronistic.
 
cina said:
I strangely liked Cersei, she was a cnut for the most part, but she did treat Sansa quite well amidst all the horrific treatment from Joffrey, probably because she saw a bit of herself in her at that age.

I think when she and Jaime become POV characters in book 3 they get more likable, especially Jaime.
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Cersei becomes less likable imo. Once you see her motivations and the totally fecked up rationalization she has for doing what she does. She isn't just a darker shade of gray, she is the monster in this story.
 
niMic said:
I'd say Cersei actually becomes less likable when we get her POV in the books. Jaime certainly gets more likable, almost likable even, but we just get a better look at Cersei's insanity. If A Song of Ice and Fire is a series of shades of grey, she's at the darker side of grey.
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agree niMic, although you hate cersei but I do admire the creation and depth of her character at the sametime.
 
After seeing the first 4 episodes I had to order the paperback bundle on amazon. Can't wait! Even chose the express delivery doubling the price
 
PeteReDevil said:
After seeing the first 4 episodes I had to order the paperback bundle on amazon. Can't wait! Even chose the express delivery doubling the price
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Good man Pete. I'm sure you'll appreciate the series a lot more once you've read the books. Prepare to take some time off because once you start ... :devil:
 
Thought it was good, not great. It had some unnecessary scenes in it. What the feck was the point of the Viserys scene in the bath? Well, it was nice to see that ones tits, but Viserys is supposed to be an utter twat and madman in every way and they seemed to be trying to make him come across as more likable there.

The scene in the inn with Catelyn and Tyrion was excellently done though. Him and Arya are being portrayed perfectly in the show, because they're pretty much the same as they are in the books, and 2 good actors, especially Peter Dinklage who's great.

Aiden Gillen is a bit shit as Litterfinger so far, not too gone on Sansa either, she's too old.

They also didn't have enough of the jousting in the tournament. I'm a bit disappointed they didn't show the scene where the Knight of Flowers beats the Mountain and then he dismembers his horse and tries to kill him. He's supposed to be the outright most despicable character in the first few books at least and that was a defining moment in it.

Weakest so far for me, but still good.
 
The tournament
will continue in the next episode.
 
cina said:
Thought it was good, not great. It had some unnecessary scenes in it. What the feck was the point of the Viserys scene in the bath? Well, it was nice to see that ones tits, but Viserys is supposed to be an utter twat and madman in every way and they seemed to be trying to make him come across as more likable there.
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Remember that this is a tv series, with people watching it who aren't.. well, us. I think they thought that scene was necessary to explain the dragons, and Aegon the Conqueror, etc.

The scene in the inn with Catelyn and Tyrion was excellently done though. Him and Arya are being portrayed perfectly in the show, because they're pretty much the same as they are in the books, and 2 good actors, especially Peter Dinklage who's great.
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It was awesome indeed.

Aiden Gillen is a bit shit as Litterfinger so far, not too gone on Sansa either, she's too old.
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I quite like Littlefinger, actually. And Sansa is supposed to be older in the series, they all are. Bran should be six, for example, but he's ten. It's just something they apparently felt they needed to do, and I can understand why. He also had a bigger leap than Sansa. She's 12 in the books, and the actor playing her now is 15.
 
Yeah I know they've to add stuff for the TV series, I usually have no problem with that. The scene with Cersei and Joffrey in the previous episode, and Jaime and (feck, can't remember his name) outside Robert's chamber. But the Viserys scene pissed me off, I thought they could've done it in a better way myself.

I know she's supposed to be older, and obviously they had to make the characters older, can't have a 13 year old Daenerys shown getting raped on screen after all. And considering what happens to the kids at times it's fair enough.

But Sansa looks TOO old, one of her points is that she hasn't 'bled' (ewwww) yet, big focal point in the story, yet that actress is around 15 at least.

Bran was 7 in the books wasn't he? Arya 9, Sansa 11, Robb 13. In this I assume it's Robb 16/17, Sansa 13, Arya 11/12, Bran 10?
 
Think that's pretty close to accurate. Bran was six at the start of the books, but obviously with the book lasting a while some characters might have crossed over to the next one.

I see where you're coming from, I just don't really think Sansa is too old. She looks like she could be around 13-14. The actor turned 15 in February, so presumably she'd be 14 when this was all filmed.
 
Damn, I know I'm going to sound like a broken record but that was easily the best episode yet and demonstrates why I wish they had more episodes per season. They dialogue, the action, that scene between Cersei and Robert, absolute gold. This show is really going to slay it the last 5 episodes. Non readers will really get into it now!
 
Haha, damn that was good. And even though we know what was in store for the likes of Jory. Brilliant. Its going to be fun to see the reactions of people to the next show and especially the penultimate one.

I'm making sure I have HBO GO to watch both ep 6 and 7 next week. Winter is coming !
 
I can't wait to see the reactions of people who don't really know what this series is about when shit really hits the fan. And then again. And then an even bigger pile of shit.

And then it starts really getting interesting.
 
niMic said:
I can't wait to see the reactions of people who don't really know what this series is about when shit really hits the fan. And then again. And then an even bigger pile of shit.

And then it starts really getting interesting.
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:devil: Exactly !!!! I'm sure some people would have been grossed out today what with the gay loving and the breast feeding scene (I can't believe they actually kept that bit) ... Got to love HBO !
 
My god, that breast feeding scene, it was every bit was creepy and disturbing as I had imagined. She's the perfect amount of crazy! :lol:

And Bronn is so awesome!

And the gay, only HBO would do that.

I think I might be a fanboy, every episode is my new favourite..
 
Hmmm I remember Loras and Renly being close in that books but were they this umm close?:nervous:
 
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