Books A Song of Ice and Fire (Books) | TV show? What TV show?

Every other "ending" book nerds wanted other than possibly Stoneheart would of been WAAAAAY too rushed. Either way it allowed them to troll the book nerds this week after they had their moment last week.

Big picture, the ending doesn't bother me at all. Because now you don't have to wait like forever to get anything from the epilogue, because not much would of happened with Stoneheart next season anyway. Considering how bad 4/5 are in comparison to book 3, they have to save stuff, since they'll still have to get 2 seasons out of them, if not, somehow magically 3 just to milk time.

Like if they used Stoneheart now, they'd probably have nothing for the end of 4....and possibly even 5, Jon Snow cliffhanger will be 6 or 7 for sure.
 
I actually liked it. There are now way too many different storylines to conclude within the last episode that any major event would not have enough screentime to properly show its importance (as seen with Arya's first kill - it's meant to signify the real end of her old 'innocent' identity - instead it got about 2 minutes and seemed rushed).

I winced when Jon fell off his horse and must have shoved those arrows further in his back.
 
Lynk said:
Are we allowed to mention the show in here? Christ they ballsed up that ending, when you consider they could've done one of the following
-Lady Stoneheart
-Purple Wedding
-Battle at Castle Black/Ygritte's death
-Ayra using her coin (Although probably a bit too soon)

And what the feck was with that scene with Davos? Stop ruining Stannis HBO.
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Purple wedding and Battle at Castle Black/Ygritte's death would be way too soon - they won't happen until next season, probably mid next season. Arya using her coin will probably be the last episode of the next season (I was glad they showed her with the coin though - it reminds the non-book watchers).

I did think they would do Lady Stoneheart, but they're probably waiting to make it a really dramatic ending to season 4 (it's only revealed in the epilogue in the book).

The ending wasn't as dramatic as season 1 and 2, but it was a good episode that sets season 4 up nicely. Lots of storylines being set up.

Grey Wind/Robb was horrible. They didn't show what they do to Catelyn though - which is probably a blessing. Both of them together are too horrible.
 
MG said:
Purple wedding and Battle at Castle Black/Ygritte's death would be way too soon - they won't happen until next season, probably mid next season. Arya using her coin will probably be the last episode of the next season (I was glad they showed her with the coin though - it reminds the non-book watchers).

I did think they would do Lady Stoneheart, but they're probably waiting to make it a really dramatic ending to season 4 (it's only revealed in the epilogue in the book).

The ending wasn't as dramatic as season 1 and 2, but it was a good episode that sets season 4 up nicely. Lots of storylines being set up.

Grey Wind/Robb was horrible. They didn't show what they do to Catelyn though - which is probably a blessing. Both of them together are too horrible.
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What did they do to Catelyn again? And did Ygritte shoot Jon in the books as well? I've forgotten so much stuff.
 
Snow said:
For me it's the definite one thing that added to the show. If not only for her death scene. Made the RW even more intense.
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But I mean the name and place of origin change. Surely they could have done all of the same stuff with her called Jayne Westerling?

Its not like it bothers me, it makes no difference, I just wonder why they did it.
 
MG said:
Purple wedding and Battle at Castle Black/Ygritte's death would be way too soon - they won't happen until next season, probably mid next season. Arya using her coin will probably be the last episode of the next season (I was glad they showed her with the coin though - it reminds the non-book watchers).

I did think they would do Lady Stoneheart, but they're probably waiting to make it a really dramatic ending to season 4 (it's only revealed in the epilogue in the book).

The ending wasn't as dramatic as season 1 and 2, but it was a good episode that sets season 4 up nicely. Lots of storylines being set up.

Grey Wind/Robb was horrible. They didn't show what they do to Catelyn though - which is probably a blessing. Both of them together are too horrible.
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I thought they would do Lady Stoneheart as well, just thought it would make it more dramatic and would fit in as we had just saw someone else come back to life a few episodes ago. Either way I was hoping Lady Stoneheart would go round killing some Freys next season.
 
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Stoneheart would have been shite one episode after Catelyn was killed.

We finally got Arya killing someone in cold blood.
 
Lynk said:
Are we allowed to mention the show in here? Christ they ballsed up that ending, when you consider they could've done one of the following
-Lady Stoneheart
-Purple Wedding
-Battle at Castle Black/Ygritte's death
-Ayra using her coin (Although probably a bit too soon)

And what the feck was with that scene with Davos? Stop ruining Stannis HBO.
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All of those bar Lady Stoneheart would've been way too rushed/soon, they're better off leaving them until next year. I'd imagine coldhands and the other Greyjoys have been pushed back until next season as well. Lady Stoneheart might've worked as a cliffhanger ending but it's probably still too soon after the Red Wedding. Better to leave it until the end of the next season so it'll be a bigger shock (and more faithful to the books). People are complaining about the things they left out but they'll all serve to make next season stronger. I think the RW was enough of a shock to end the season with, probably needed an episode to settle everything down again.
 
Always suspected LS wasn't going to be this season and I'm happy to be right. It removes the shock factor of killing off a main character if she doesn't stay dead for at least a few episodes. Let everyone stew for a bit.
 
Have they said in the TV show that Dany is (supposedly) barren? Think the idea that she won't have any children make the "Mhysa" thing seem more significant, don't think they ever made that clear in the show though.
 
So they've brought Jaime back early. Suppose it doesn't make too much difference in the grand scheme of things.
 
It was a crap ending though, considering what we're going to be subdued to for the next three seasons with Daenerys.

I suppose the whole episode was a bit meh, but I did expect that seeing as the first half of book three doesn't really end on cliffhangers of any sort.
 
Yep. I don't know why they're building her up so much. All the non book readers I talk to consider her to be the last hero left and their main hope for revenge. I think they will have to get very creative with her for the next few seasons.
 
africanspur said:
But I mean the name and place of origin change. Surely they could have done all of the same stuff with her called Jayne Westerling?

Its not like it bothers me, it makes no difference, I just wonder why they did it.
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Maybe to add a bit of mystery. I'm not sure there's any particular reason. Perhaps because the actress was foreign looking. She didn't look like she was born in Westeros unless her parents were immigrants (which there are very few of).
 
I'm rather disappointed they made Stannis going to the wall so obvious for viewers, it was a pretty big "holy shit" moment in the books.

Also, direwolf-man was suitably disgusting.
 
Many of the big things are made pretty obvious in the show. Didn't think they executed the whole Jon/Ygritte bit nicely. Jon was on a horse. She wasn't. How could she have caught up with him and find him? A bad scene.

The Roose-Walder scene was also poor. Very cliche. "Forever young". I bet Roose just loved sticking around and having that chat.

Stannis has been ruined by the show. Him and Gregor have been hard done by.

The episode was a good one. It covered everything nicely. It didn't exactly set up the next season with a bang. That's alright in my books because people will anticipate the show for the show itself, not just a specific scene.
 
That Roose - Walder scene seemed to only be there to confirm to viewers who Ramsay was.
 
Snow said:
Many of the big things are made pretty obvious in the show. Didn't think they executed the whole Jon/Ygritte bit nicely. Jon was on a horse. She wasn't. How could she have caught up with him and find him? A bad scene.

The Roose-Walder scene was also poor. Very cliche. "Forever young". I bet Roose just loved sticking around and having that chat.

Stannis has been ruined by the show. Him and Gregor have been hard done by.

The episode was a good one. It covered everything nicely. It didn't exactly set up the next season with a bang. That's alright in my books because people will anticipate the show for the show itself, not just a specific scene.
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I think they probably needed to have another scene between Jon and Ygritte to cement the idea that he does love her but he's being driven away by duty. I guess they didn't want anyone to doubt the feelings they still have for each other after Jon dumped her last week. It was clumsily executed but probably a good note to end their storyline on for now.

Roose/Walder scene was a bit odd but more Roose is always a good thing as far as I'm concerned. Also let them explain that Edmure was captured and Blackfish had escaped, so again, I can see why they did it.

I thought the weakest plotline this season was Theon/Ramsay. I guess they had to stretch out his storyline but from listening to my non-reader friends it really wasn't engaging enough to justify the lack of plot development.
 
Dan said:
With Season 1 Mountain it could be as he was ripped. His replacement in Season 2 was just very tall and thin, he just didn't look right.
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Yeah I felt he looked like one of the Knights of Nih (sp) from Monty Python and the Holy Grail.
 
Keep wanting to talk about how great the Tywin line from last night's episode about giving Joffrey some nightshade to help him sleep was in the TV thread, purely because Joff mentioned King Robert and to me it was a massive 'we drugged him and took his crown we could do the same to you' in the same way he stood over him in the throne room and said 'we could arrange to have you carried there' as a threat, but since I know the plot point that Joffrey gets poisoned I realise it could look like I'm being a book spoiler dick to people who know how he dies.
 
Don't understand people saying that was a bad episode because nothing happened (Twitter, a few forums). Loads happened! Jaime's back in Kings Landing, Daenarys has a new city with people (who could join her massive dragon army), Stannis is skipping off merrily to The Night's Watch, where we've just seen Sam and Jon are back, Asha's decided she's going to go and kick some people and get Theon back, we've established that Walder Frey is such a shitbag that even the gods hate him now, and Shae thinks Tyrion is trying to get rid of her.

So yeah, a bit happened.
 
The story which Brann told with the cook who cooked a pie with King's son and served him was pretty interesting. If you remember, Wyman Manderley does the same to three Freys in the fifth book as a vengeance for how Frey killed the Robb under the guests rights.
 
Cina said:
I'm rather disappointed they made Stannis going to the wall so obvious for viewers, it was a pretty big "holy shit" moment in the books.
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I dunno, with hindsight it seemed pretty obvious in the books. Wasn't there a similar conversation about the raven from the night's watch?

It was still a surprise because they weren't mentioned for a long time until they appeared North of the wall. It'll probably be something similar next season. I don't think we'll see Stannis again until he's bitch slapping Mance.
 
Snow said:
Many of the big things are made pretty obvious in the show. Didn't think they executed the whole Jon/Ygritte bit nicely. Jon was on a horse. She wasn't. How could she have caught up with him and find him? A bad scene.
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I disagree. I thought it was better than in the books. I'd rather have Ygritte stick three arrows in him in cold blood than one while he's trying to escape like in the books.

As for how she caught up with him didn't the fella Jon refused to kill have several horses?
 
Scrumpet said:
I disagree. I thought it was better than in the books. I'd rather have Ygritte stick three arrows in him in cold blood than one while he's trying to escape like in the books.

As for how she caught up with him didn't the fella Jon refused to kill have several horses?
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One, does she know how to ride a horse? Can't remember a single horse North of the wall.
Two, if she did have a horse, how did she catch up with him? It only looked like he stop to get a drink of water. Also, how did he not hear her coming if she did have a horse?
 
Yes, he stopped she didn't, his hair was in his ears.

It's a pretty silly gripe. Don't you think it was good to have a proper confrontation between the two? We didn't get that in the books.
 
Nah they'll probably have him in a few scenes before that. They'll want to show Davos with Salladhor and Stannis with his army. Can't be wasting Dillane. The battle's not gonna be until later in the season I would expect.
 
Scrumpet said:
Yes, he stopped she didn't, his hair was in his ears.

It's a pretty silly gripe. Don't you think it was good to have a proper confrontation between the two? We didn't get that in the books.
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Why did we need a confrontation? And what made this a proper one? I just thought it was cliched. You also thought it was cold blood. Well it wasn't. She could have easily have killed him. Shoot the horse and he'd be done for.

The scene just didn't make sense at all. He wouldn't think about stopping for a moment if he wasn't absolute sure that he wasn't being followed. But he did. She somehow manage to sneak up on him without a horse.

You wanted a "proper" confrontation. Fine. You ignore the holes just fine as well. I don't and that makes me silly? Forgive me but I expect more from this show. It practically writes itself since, well, it's already been written. It's not like it was a scene that they were forced to change to explain something quickly or mention certain characters. Those can be annoying but they are necessary. This was just cliche and catered to the audience love for relationship drama.
 
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