Books A Song of Ice and Fire (Books) | TV show? What TV show?

The changes make it far easier to follow for TV viewers. Remember that having a show that you have to watch intently is not what the majority (in my experience anyway) of TV viewers want - they want something that's relatively easy to follow, that keeps them entertained and excited. Adding in all of these, ultimately pointless, characters like Edric Storm etc would just confuse people even more and possibly lose the show viewers.

I could already make a business from charging my non-book reading friends for my help understanding the current plotlines. Any more characters would just overwhelm the majority.
 
The Taurean said:
Can anyone remind me why Sam Tarly doesn't tel Jon Snow that both Bran and Rickon are alive?
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Hard to remember, but I think that they had him to promise to don't tell Jon about them. I don't know the reason why though.

Could be completely wrong about that though.
 
Also a couple of points:

Littlefinger's accent. What is up with that? How many different ones doe he have?

I'm not sure I like the casting of Ramsey Bolton either tbh. In my head he was pure evil and in the show....just not quite. He had a much more rasping voice in my head from the books.
Probably doesn't help that I still remember him from Misfits.
 
africanspur said:
Also a couple of points:

Littlefinger's accent. What is up with that? How many different ones doe he have?
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Yeah his accent is bizzare, Welsh by way of Gotham City. Changes episode to episode and season to season.

Season 1 and the actor's normal voice:


Season 2:


Season 3 (latest episode):


Not even sure what accent he's going for.
 
africanspur said:
Also a couple of points:

Littlefinger's accent. What is up with that? How many different ones doe he have?

I'm not sure I like the casting of Ramsey Bolton either tbh. In my head he was pure evil and in the show....just not quite. He had a much more rasping voice in my head from the books.
Probably doesn't help that I still remember him from Misfits.
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Nah I like him so far, he was always supposed to come across as a bit socially inept and very creepy, I think. I reckon he'll go a good job playing him, though he was supposed to be a great swordsman which I might find hard to believe.
 
And finally, someone bright enough in the GoT thread to realize that Ramsey Bolton is holding Theon.
 
sullydnl said:
Yeah his accent is bizzare, Welsh by way of Gotham City. Changes episode to episode and season to season.

Season 1 and the actor's normal voice:


Season 2:


Season 3 (latest episode):


Not even sure what accent he's going for.
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Never mind episodes, sometimes it changes mid sentence!
 
paceme said:
Tbf one vague mention is not easy to remember. It's easier to remember small details from books than it is from tv shows.
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They have been talking a lot about who is there, they have mentioned a lot of time the Bolton's bastard. They know that Lord Bolton send his bastard to Winterfell. I don't think that it was that hard to put 2 and 2 together. But probably is, considering how many people haven't realized this yet.
 
Revan you seem like a nice guy, but in this thread you are coming across like a smug condescending douche. There has not been a big 'reveal' who it is, it's only inferred that it is Lord Bolton's bastard in the tv show- if you can't appreciate that fact, carry on acting superior but it's making you look a cock.
 
Drainy said:
Revan you seem like a nice guy, but in this thread you are coming across like a smug condescending douche. There has not been a big 'reveal' who it is, it's only inferred that it is Lord Bolton's bastard in the tv show- if you can't appreciate that fact, carry on acting superior but it's making you look a cock.
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Probably. It looked really strange to me, but I never said that I would have known it even if I haven't read the books. But genuinely, for everyone who has listened carefully to all the dialogues and has probably make a rewatch it shouldn't be that hard. At-least not as hard as in some other seasons when things will be a lot more complicated.
 
I'm not sure if I want to know how far the series will go with the Theon stuff from here on....it's been cringe so far and this is only the beginning. It's gonna be brutal if they show it in full effect.
 
Zen said:
I'm not sure if I want to know how far the series will go with the Theon stuff from here on....it's been cringe so far and this is only the beginning. It's gonna be brutal if they show it in full effect.
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Agree, there's only so long Theon can keep getting tortured without any other developments. Wonder where they're gonna take it next season? Also, there was some stuff that was only hinted at in the books, if we have to see it it'll be very grim.
 
The_Red_Hope said:
The next episode is called 'The Bear and the Maiden Fair' - written by GRRM :drool:
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It has to be that episode when Jaime comes back to save Brianne from that Bear, right?

Let's see what GRRM can do, the two other episodes he wrote for the TV show were the best of their seasons (for obvious reasons_.
 
I'd like to suggest that everyone in here refrain from commenting in the tv thread. This is especially important for the next few weeks for obvious reasons. It's incredibly easy to accidentally confirm a theory or let something slip or set off a chain that leads to someone spoiling something for themselves.

For example, if I were to post the same warning over there, it would spoil the fact that something big is coming next. then reasonable people might deduce that shit's going down at the wedding. Please don't even go over there to talk about how excited you are about the episodes coming up, and for feck's sake, I know how tempting it is, but please don't go posting your favorite youtube clips of people covering "The Rains of Castemere".

Please don't deprive from all of us the pleasure of watching them react to the full shock of what happens next. It's probably going to be the most entertaining thing we book readers will experience until The Winds of Winter is published. So feel free to observe them, but please leave them to experience what we did and enjoy watching them lose their shit.
 
Agreed. It's very easy to accidentally mention something. I've found myself reading that thread and finding it hard to distinguish what knowledge I know from the books and what I know from the show. Because of that and other obvious reasons I only ever comment in there about how good I found the episode, or to remind someone who a character is or something.

I think this goes double for someone like Revan, who does at times seem like a big smug ball of book information that wants to spurge all over the TV thread.
 
Agreed jveezy. Solius, I think that I went a bit far about Jaime (before his revelation) but that's it.

Anyway, it could be easy for someone to accidentally spoil something about the red wedding. I know a friend of mine who watching beyond the scenes YouTube clips, accidentally read a stupid comment about Robb Stark going to die in the ninth episode. Better is we stay out of the TV thread after that episode.
 
I forgot who, but after Blackwater, someone linked to the Wiki of Ice and Fire article for the Rains of Castamere for the lyrics, entirely meaning to be nothing but helpful. Located in the "Major performances" section is a bullet about the Red Wedding.

On top of that, when I spotted it, I thought about immediately deleting the post, but doing so would only draw attention to it if anyone noticed it was missing, so I had to quietly make an edit.

It requires walking on eggshells to the point where I don't trust myself to do it. Hopefully nobody notices that all the book readers are going silent and reads that as a sign that shit's about to get real.
 
MG said:
Only really evil characters like Chiswyck and Weese! (I could have included them in my list of 'all bad' characters, but they're too minor)
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No. Also guards. She has no problems killing. She's training to be excellent at it after all. She's definitely not a good human being like her younger brother.

The Hound is more bad than good. He's got no problem killing at all. He's a bit of a lost cause in a way that he probably wouldn't have turned out the way he did if it weren't for his upbringing. But he is what he is.

Stannis is not much more different than Cersei. He doesn't care about anything or anyone besides what's right for him. The only thing good about him is that you know what you get from him because of his upfront nature. He'll make two footed tackles, elbow people in the face but he won't dive.
 
Excellent reading in the links provided in this thread (the forum dedicated to the books & further links to the Tower of the Hand site).

There were some excellent theories provided regarding Jon Snow in particular which really opened my eyes. I won't post them as I'm typing this on my phone (whilst on the potty at work) and I don't want to spoil anything for anyone... But if you are interested in all the theories behind who the characters are then I recommend you go to that Forum, and to the Tower of the Hand site too.

Suffice to say I am looking forward to the new book(s) a whole lot more now.
 
Seen a lot of stuff floating around the web about non-book readers being suspicious about the Edmure to Frey wedding, slightly worried that they'll make it too obvious and it won't have the impact that it should.
 
Cina said:
Seen a lot of stuff floating around the web about non-book readers being suspicious about the Edmure to Frey wedding, slightly worried that they'll make it too obvious and it won't have the impact that it should.
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I was suspicious when reading the books as soon as Grey Wind started barking, but the whole guest rights thing turned my alarms off. I am worried it'll be too obvious, but I think part of that comes from knowing what happens already. When you know the ending, the warning signs look a lot more glaring. Also the nature of weekly tv shows means people have a lot of time to talk to each other and build on their ideas. It's only natural that they'd be more suspicious.
 
True, it doesn't help that it's in episode nine though, seeing as that's always the episode where shit completely hits the fan. I thought they maybe could've done it a little earlier.
 
Cina said:
True, it doesn't help that it's in episode nine though, seeing as that's always the episode where shit completely hits the fan. I thought they maybe could've done it a little earlier.
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Also, the unusual two weeks pause between episode 8 and 9 is un-necessarily. TV Show viewers will start thinking that something big will happen.
 
Cina said:
True, it doesn't help that it's in episode nine though, seeing as that's always the episode where shit completely hits the fan. I thought they maybe could've done it a little earlier.
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Someone who is actually chasing details would probably have figured it out already.

Ep 9 -> Titled "The Rains of Castamere" -> That's a Lannister song! -> That wedding's coming up with all the important people in the north going to it -> Holy shit!

The only thing saving them at this point is the desire to not be spoiled.
 
Even if people figure out something's up, there's no way they could imagine what's coming. It's the suddenness of it all that gets to you in the book. All they need to do is set a calm tone for the audience and then BAM, sucker punch.

I think it's easier to do on TV compared to a book, so they better not mess it up.
 
I am listening 'The Rains of Castamere' on repeat today. It really will be one of the most WTF moments in TV Show history and the reaction will be hilarious.
 
kps88 said:
Even if people figure out something's up, there's no way they could imagine what's coming. It's the suddenness of it all that gets to you in the book. All they need to do is set a calm tone for the audience and then BAM, sucker punch.

I think it's easier to do on TV compared to a book, so they better not mess it up.
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It was such an absurd moment in the book that, even after what happened to Ned, I couldn't bring myself to acknowledge shit was really going down. I remember reading and stopping, going back, reading again, like I was misreading. If they keep lowkey like in the book, some weird things like the awful musicians, Grey Wind acting crazy, nonstop crying wife, they having parted bread in such comely manner, nothing gave away what was about to happen.
Total shock!
 
Revan said:
I am listening 'The Rains of Castamere' on repeat today. It really will be one of the most WTF moments in TV Show history and the reaction will be hilarious.
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Even funnier than "They've killed my nigga Ned, man" :lol:
 
Danillaco said:
It was such an absurd moment in the book that, even after what happened to Ned, I couldn't bring myself to acknowledge shit was really going down. I remember reading and stopping, going back, reading again, like I was misreading. If they keep lowkey like in the book, some weird things like the awful musicians, Grey Wind acting crazy, nonstop crying wife, they having parted bread in such comely manner, nothing gave away what was about to happen.
Total shock!
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I think I missed it originally. It said about an arrow going through Robb and I must have subconciously skimmed over it. I read a few more words and was like "Hang on a minute, what the feck?!".
 
Solius said:
I think I missed it originally. It said about an arrow going through Robb and I must have subconciously skimmed over it. I read a few more words and was like "Hang on a minute, what the feck?!".
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:lol: First, I was like "feck, this Frey bastard even has a son called Rob too? But who would try to kill him on his own home?" And then it happen...
 
And like always, I somehow manage to get spoiled, that mean that I knew that Robb will die during the books.

But when it did happen, I was totally unprepared, wtf is going on. It was really sad.
 
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