Books A Song of Ice and Fire (Books) | TV show? What TV show?

Wait what! I am assuming someone dies in the first chapter of TWoW as that's what happened in all the other books. I don't think they count as POVs though
 
So the fourth Dunk and Egg tale is not appearing in 'Dangerous Women' after all.

/insert Kevin Sorbo disappointed
 
Solius said:
Also means a lot of the POVs won't die (at least in the immediate future) though which kind of spoils it a bit.
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With the amount there is, he can still kill plenty off without needing to bring any new ones in.
 
Cina said:
I assume you mean the Prologue, not the first chapter.
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Well yes, that piece of book Martin published, whatever it is. I know that Stannis and John's fate was unknown in the end of the fifth book but that's all I know.
 
I've no idea what he published, all I said was that FW appears to be talking about the Prologues, not the actual first chapter. In the prologues we do usually get a PoV we've never had before and the character usually dies.
 
Cina said:
I've no idea what he published, all I said was that FW appears to be talking about the Prologues, not the actual first chapter. In the prologues we do usually get a PoV we've never had before and the character usually dies.
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Who died in the other's novels prologue? I can't remember it.
 
Hmm, not sure on the order, but certainly AGoT a member of the watch gets killed by a white walker. Melisandre kills Cressen with poison in one, some Nights Watch guy who was planning on killing Samwell gets killed by the others (I think) in another.

A few characters die in epilogues too, as I recall.
 
Pate gets killed by the Alchemist who is *cough*

Jaqen

*cough*
 
You've also got the Frey who was killed by Lady Stoneheart's men. Think his name began with an M.
 
It doesn't say it is but the appearance matches that of him when he changed his face last.
 
Yeah sorry I did mean the Prologue but for some reason that very word went missing in my vocabulary.

One of Walder Frey's sons and Kevan Lannister died in the epilogues as well.

Going back to the main point, I wouldn't count them as POVs though. But we will probably see a death in the prologue again.
 
That reminds me, what the hell is going on in that Oldtown place? Between "the alchemist", Alleras, Sam and all that talk of magic maesters and candles that can't be lit, it seems like some important stuff was happening/about to happen there, but I haven't a notion what that could be.
 
Dargonk said:
That is good to hear. The story suffers badly from to many characters that get focused on, so at least we can expect the number not to keep rising in future books.
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I agree, sometimes I forget that a certain character even existed when the book suddenly gets back to them; it's hard to build a connection that way.
 
Solius said:
It's only implied to Stannis that the leeches worked. Melisandre says it's working but it doesn't mean that's true. It's likely that Balon, Robb and Joffrey would have died anyway. I see it as Melisandre's way of manipulating Stannis, though she probably believes it worked too, the nutter.
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Yeah you could view it as a coincidence, though I was inclined to think not given all the shit big R'hllor gets up to. Like Thoros being able to bring people back to life, but it's ok because it's quite hard after the sixth time or something.

Too many presumed and actual dead people come back to life in this for me. Cheapens the whole thing in the long run I'd have thought. Though I don't count the wights in that, ice zombies are fine by me.
 
I wish this thread was split into different threads for each book. I've read through book 3 Blood and Gold, and I don't dare to read much in here. at the same time I am not allowed to discuss the books in the TV thread. I am basically fecked.
 
Dyslexic Untied said:
I wish this thread was split into different threads for each book. I've read through book 3 Blood and Gold, and I don't dare to read much in here. at the same time I am not allowed to discuss the books in the TV thread. I am basically fecked.
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At the rate the books move. You are probably more caught up than you realise :lol:
 
Siorac said:
don't want to read back the whole thread so I'll just ask: am I the only one who hates the Bran chapters?

Too much mysticism and acid trip stuff in there; I enjoy the political machinations far more in any of the books. The kid has potential as an interesting character but his search for the chance to become interesting is being dragged out far too long.
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:lol: I love the Bran chapters and love Bran as a character, but then I'm more into the fantasy elements of the story instead of the battle parts... I can understand it's a bit too much for some people though. I loved Bran's storylines in ADwD and I really like the Children of the Forest. I find the whole dream-trippy thing interesting as well. I wish he'd had more chapters in the book really, if anything.

I'm not a huge fan of where Daenerys and Arya are going with their stories... Dany's stories have been boring for a while and for me Arya's have also been relatively dull since the brilliance of her stories in the second and third books. To be honest, I think the 4th and 5th books were a bit of a let down after the brilliance of the first 3 (Storm of Swords was fantastic), I'm hoping the 6th will be back to Martin's best again.
 
I agree with that, Storm of Swords was the peak of the series. I liked Daenerys when she was the frightened little girl, loved the way she came into her own and became strong and purposeful... but again, her story is dragging on too much now. Same with Arya. Same with the whole effing series, to be honest.

As for Bran... the mysticism in most of the books is rather... well, mysterious and vague and in the shadows. But when it comes to the Bran chapters Martin goes into full-blown Woodstock LSD mode that doesn't quite fit the tone of the rest of the books, somehow.
 
If you look at the series as a whole, the difference in quality between the first three and the last two books is massive. Daenery's storyline goes to shit, Bran's storyline goes really weird, Arya's storyline isn't great, Jon dies and a 'revival' would be shit seeing as we've seen loads of them already, Tyrion's story also becomes less interesting. There are probably more I've forgotten. Jaime was good though.

It's a real struggle to see how the overall story can be saved.
 
It's pretty obvious what happened. For the first three books he freewheeled, spinning this vast universe of people, places and events out of his imagination, complete with tangled relationships, glimpses of the past, foreshadowings of the future etc, without benefit of a properly worked out plot.

At the end of the third book he paused, and thought - 'how the f**k am I going to pull all this together?'

Answer: No idea

Result: Very long funk

Result: Reader outrage

Result: Two books where nothing happens
 
Probably. Rascals playing for time hoping he passes away before he has to complete it.

Get on a treadmill and start properly writing, asshole!
 
Will Absolute said:
It's pretty obvious what happened. For the first three books he freewheeled, spinning this vast universe of people, places and events out of his imagination, complete with tangled relationships, glimpses of the past, foreshadowings of the future etc, without benefit of a properly worked out plot.

At the end of the third book he paused, and thought - 'how the f**k am I going to pull all this together?'

Answer: No idea

Result: Very long funk

Result: Reader outrage

Result: Two books where nothing happens
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Iuno, he's been saying for some time that he's got the most important details of how this plays out all ready to go, and that he's given the gist to the HBO folk, in case GRRM pops his clogs and they have to finish the story without books to guide them. I doubt he's just spinning his wheels.
 
Quite a lot of differences in that episode from the book. Not sure about the thinking behind some of them.

That said, a lot of the things they changed/added last season in particular worked really well.
 
I'm guessing they didn't deem Strong Belwas vital enough to the story. I mean you have that fight scene he has with the guy on the horse, and then him eating the poisoned locusts but I can't really remember much else him doing standing out.

Were Robb and Cat at Harrenhaal? I don't remember them ever going there. Also I'm pretty sure right now nobody who just watches the TV show has a clue who Roose Bolton is.
 
To be honest, even though I've read the third book twice now, I still struggle massively to remember what was or was not in it in the early chapters and only really remember the overall plot at this stage so whether the Robb & Cat at Harrenhaal is true or not, I couldn't even tell you!
 
Solius said:
I'm guessing they didn't deem Strong Belwas vital enough to the story. I mean you have that fight scene he has with the guy on the horse, and then him eating the poisoned locusts but I can't really remember much else him doing standing out.

Were Robb and Cat at Harrenhaal? I don't remember them ever going there. Also I'm pretty sure right now nobody who just watches the TV show has a clue who Roose Bolton is.
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Nah, they were never at Harrenhal, t'was just Bolton who took over there. Guess it's as good a place as any for Robb to hang out for a bit. I was thinking the same thing about nobody knowing Bolton but I suppose they have a few episodes to establish him a bit better.

Don't mind the lack of Strong Bewlas, there're so many characters as it is...
 
Her and Dany shared a few moments IIRC. Slept in the same bed and stuff, plus the actress got her amazing arse out in one of the episodes of Misfits so she's not afraid to do stuff like that.

Here's hoping!
 
Considering the people who make the TV show are aware of key plot points in case Martin pops his clogs, are we in danger of being spoiled regarding future developments in the books by noticing which characters they've decided to leave out? You could now assume someone like Strong Belwas doesn't have much of a part to play in the future. I know he's kind of a minor character but still.
 
it's hard to imagine Martin has gone into that much detail with them, yet. He's constantly rewriting large portions himself. I'd say he's more so giving the writers the general gist of where the plot is going to go.
 
It could cause problems though. Say Martin decides that Strong Belwas does something quite important, like kill Hizdahr. He wouldn't be in the show then.
 
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