I thought GRRM died seeing the title.
He's dead to me for a long while now
I thought GRRM died seeing the title.
FFS, not Brandon Sanderson. The ending would be a bunch of superheroes defeating the Others, and then a final clash of wills between an ascended Jon and Rhllor or whatever.
I hope GRRM finishes them, but if he dies before it, I hope he leaves the books to be finished either by Joe Abercrombie or Daniel Abrahams.
Every climax of every book he has written was a bunch of overpowered heroes defeating the bad guys while being underdogs in the fights. Mistborn, Stormlight, WoT, Elantris, Warbreaker. Then you have the Vin vs Ruin and Rand vs Shai'tan which are very similar.I don't know how you came up with that nonsense. Sanderson was under instruction on how the ending of WoT would unfold, it wasn't his own creation. Same would apply to GoT.
Personally, I'd take Sanderson over Abercrombie or Abraham in a heartbeat cause I like his writing style more. But different strokes for different folks I guess.
EDIT: Although Abraham has worked with GRRM on GoT comic books already so he'd be the most likely candidate.
I read somewhere that he actually doesn't want anyone finishing it for him. I don't know how long ago he said that or if he's since changed his mind.Is it GRRM's decision as to whether the books will be finished if he dies/who gets to finish them?
I'm no writer but I genuinely cannot believe that it is taking him this long to finish them. I am sure plans change alot along the way but surely he has always known how it is going to finish? It seems impossible to write such a detailed story without a thorough plan of where things are going.
What pisses me off is that it has been so long since I read the books that I will need to do a full reread (baring the first book) before the next one comes out and then the same again ten years later when he finally finishes it.
Thought this too and then I had a convo with my boss, and she is convinced that it is gonna be Arya with his face, which actually would be an even bigger feck you to Cersei than Jaime killing her. Plus Arya didn't kill almost anyone in her list, and Cersei is the most important of them all (bar Joffrey himself).
I think that someone big has to die (in addition to lesser characters next episode), and I cannot see Daenerys, Jon or Tyrion checking out this early. Which leaves Jaime as the top choice (Arya and Sansa are not as important to the story as him). It would be poetic if Brienne falls early, for Jaime to take command of that part of the army, save the day, save Daenerys at the very end while falling himself. The best ending for the best-written character in the show.
I really think that almost everyone who had an emotional scene this episode is a dead man walking.
Is it GRRM's decision as to whether the books will be finished if he dies/who gets to finish them?
I'm no writer but I genuinely cannot believe that it is taking him this long to finish them. I am sure plans change alot along the way but surely he has always known how it is going to finish? It seems impossible to write such a detailed story without a thorough plan of where things are going.
I maintain this urge to drop kick him through a window on the ground floor.
Myself, I am hoping that whoever the Giants draft, he spends the year on the bench. Eli Manning is a class guy, and I’d love nothing better than for him to have a great season and lead the Giants to another SuperBowl, making all his detractors eat a big crow pie along the way.
Having written 1 book in the series in 14 years, I think people can be forgiven for asking about the show instead. He's lost interest in finishing the series and just wants to work on other stuff.Tbf I bet he's tired of all the interviews where people ask him about the show, because he always reminds them that he wrote the books and not the TV show. I'd be pretty pissed and wanting to focus on other projects after that as well.
I'm waiting for a video of him shouting "Surprise!!!" As he holds the manuscripts for the final two books. And then, smiling and without continually staring into the camera, extending his arm towards a fireplace and throwing both of them into it. Then with one final smile he will proclaim that those were the only copies before jumping into the fire himself and burning to ash.The naive part of me is hoping that the delay in book releases is because of the TV show. Perhaps because HBO doesn't want him to put out a different story while the show is still running. But I guess at this point that's not a likely explanation anymore.
Still, even if he for some reason can't or doesn't want to continue writing the story there would be a lot of money to gain for him in giving his manuscripts to someone else to finish?
He’s a fat old nerd who spends his time writing, going to the local theatre, watch handegg and going to Cons. I doubt money gained is worth it in his mind having his magnum opus associated with another person.The naive part of me is hoping that the delay in book releases is because of the TV show. Perhaps because HBO doesn't want him to put out a different story while the show is still running. But I guess at this point that's not a likely explanation anymore.
Still, even if he for some reason can't or doesn't want to continue writing the story there would be a lot of money to gain for him in giving his manuscripts to someone else to finish?
So he could break the hearts of millions a final time. Beautiful.I'm waiting for a video of him shouting "Surprise!!!" As he holds the manuscripts for the final two books. And then, smiling and without continually staring into the camera, extending his arm towards a fireplace and throwing both of them into it. Then with one final smile he will proclaim that those were the only copies before jumping into the fire himself and burning to ash.
I think the White Walkers / Others are a problem for GRRM's writing too. I don't see how he will be able to make sense of them beyond the classical evil incarnate. This is something that clashes with his overall writing style, which is all about giving everybody sensible motives and an agenda based on those. Maybe he manages to pull of some great connection of the three eyed raven/the children of the forest/the walkers that puts everything in a different perspective, but of course it's currently much more likely that it will never come to that point with his slow progress.Ah, well we're definitely not getting an explanation then – or at least not one that makes any sense.
I'm not particularly sure we can trust GRRM. He's been involved with the show throughout and given direction to where things will go. For a plot point as huge as the others/whitewalkers (which is let's not forget, what both the show and books started with) I find it almost impossible to believe that GRRM didn't sketch it out. The plot lines of the show seem almost certainly to be taken from GRRM's vision, as he saw it at the time, even if the way the show gets there is necessarily different.
If and when he comes to writes the books he might change his mind and go somewhere different with it, but ultimately I think that's the problem: he's still writing the books. He might know where he wants the story to end (although I'm not sure he does), but he has spent 8 years trying to work out the steps to get half way there. I just think he's created too much of a mess for himself.
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I think the White Walkers / Others are a problem for GRRM's writing too. I don't see how he will be able to make sense of them beyond the classical evil incarnate. This is something that clashes with his overall writing style, which is all about giving everybody sensible motives and an agenda based on those. Maybe he manages to pull of some great connection of the three eyed raven/the children of the forest/the walkers that puts everything in a different perspective, but of course it's currently much more likely that it will never come to that point with his slow progress.
I love this guy!I think they are definitely getting way past Winterfell in the books. I reckon they are getting at least as far as Harrenhal. I don't think Bran is coming south again either. Also the way Jorah went out, I dunno, I'm hopeful thats reserved for Ser Barristan. One last stand for him against an unbeatable foe. Instead of going out like a bitch in an alleyway.
All the bullshitting about Aragorn's tax code and hierarchy of Orcs inside Mordor, GRRM has done proper good with explaining the White walkers. I initially thought the CoTF creating White walkers to combat first men was a slight cop out in itself but hey ho. Don't get me wrong, the Episode 03 was great and the show did a good job of suspense and battle scenes but it feels hollow.
Spare a moment for Jon Snow, 20 years of books to build up to this, him vs the Night King and then he stands idly by while angry ninja teenager gets all the glory.
I mean the only reason any of them were even fighting the NK in the first place was because he managed to unite everyone to do so.
That's fair but the whole story was building to this being Jon's defining moment. His entire story was built around the NK and the WW. He feels to me like he's been relegated to a support character without his moment. Support Dany for the IT, support Arya to stop the NK.
I really enjoyed the episode but I felt it was Jon's place to kill the NK, I always felt reading the books that it was Jon's story.
Really don't see George having it play out like that, not that we'll ever know.
Yeah but it's not over yet is it?
Surely his big part is sorting out Dany/Cersei to come.