Not sure whether to even read the next book if it ever comes out. The tv and book storylines are so tangled in my head.
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I'd have to read the whole series from book 2 just to recall all the characters and plotlines that diverged since Ned Stark's execution.
Opposite for me - I feel now they’re two quite distinct works. I read the last two books again quite recently (they get better with every reading IMO) and the way the show has gone bears so little relation to those two books.
And in doing so realize(again) just how disappointing the TV show has been?
That would be my last read through experience.
Same. I guess the hope is this season is based heavily on what GRM told them so the books eventually turn into a much better version of what we watched. If GRM has big plans for the characters or story lines the show has abandoned, it's going to be a clusterfeck.
They've diverged, but I still think we'll see a lot of the threads go in similar directions to the show, albeit in a very convoluted way. I think Tyrion will eventually meet with Daenerys, he'll introduce her to Jon, they'll get together, Jaime will go north to fight with the Starks and co when everyone coalesces at Winterfell come the final book - it'll just be a lot more fleshed out than it has been here. I reckon a lot of the characters who've been cut etc will be tied to the Aegon plotline.
It's possible that FAegon replaces Jon in that role. It's unlikely, but possible that Jon stays dead in the books leaving many of his plotlines for FAegon.
I suspect the Wildlings will have a much bigger role in the books too with Mance and Val. Then there's Dorne not being a complete joke, the scheming going on there and Arrianne getting involved further north than Dorne.
I'm still saddened that a lot of it will be spoiled with what's become such basic nonsense and bad writing, but hopeful that GRRM's writing is good enough to make it still worth my while and that he has twists and turns in there that make it worth sticking through.
If it ever comes out... And lets be honest he's a 70 year old who looks massively out of shape who at current rates will need a decade at least to finish the series (quite possibly more)... Odds are it ends up as an unfinished story anyway.
I'll probably wait and see if he can live long enough to finish the whole thing before reading the next book.
Which is why I kind of despise an all flash little substance TV show being the likely narrative conclusion to a story that grabbed me so many years ago. Resenting GRRM comes and go, as my entitlement waxes ands wanes, but the regret at unfulfilled potential... How many of these fantasy epics have actually worked out and found an ending. Sanderson finished off WOT, grateful for it, but it is not the same, as will be the case with the TV adaptation of ASOIAF.
Sure, in terms of the various plots the broad outlines will likely be similar. But for me the characters are now so different. Apart those the show didn’t bother with, they got some so wrong, and even some of those they nailed in the early seasons have lost some depth as the seasons have gone on. I don’t really associate book Jaime or Brienne with their TV counterparts now when reading Feast for Crows. Their motivations and development seem so different.
Seems likely that Jon will be warging in Ghost for a good chunk of the next book at least.
Nah I definitely think Jon comes back. I can still see Cersei pulling off a scheme similar to S6 in KL, but it'll be once Aegon seizes power. Greyscale will rampage through the city and Euron will side with her after wrecking havoc in the Reach. But obviously that's all been condensed down in the show.
It's declined but I'm still enjoying the show for what it's worth. Next week has potential to be excellent.
Yeah, it's weird in a way, wherein I'm still enjoying some of the show characters who are well-played by their actors, but who also simultaneously seem very different from their book counterparts as you say. But I do think they've pulled it back a bit this season - in S7 a lot of the secondary characters felt like worthless props just there for the sake of it, but some like Sam and Brienne have been given some decent stuff this season that's brought them properly back into the fold again. Although some like Varys have been ruined fully, not even sure when he last contributed anything important.
Oh yeah I'm not saying Jon will stay dead, but it is possible. He's unlikely to come back just the way he died like in the show either, in the books there's a price to be paid for coming back from the dead. Beric paid it, but not in the show. It also seems possible they merged his story and FAegon in parts, it's even possible R+L does not equal J in the books, although again unlikely at this point. I enjoyed the theory that Ned + Ashara was the real secret.
Oh shit that reminds me, we need to find out who Septa Mordain really is.
Tyrion is another character that's completely diverged from the books, in earlier seasons he was whitewashed and could do nothing bad. Even his drinking and whoring was toned down. Some day we might find out where whores go.
Oh shit that reminds me, we need to find out who Septa Mordain really is.
Tyrion is another character that's completely diverged from the books, in earlier seasons he was whitewashed and could do nothing bad. Even his drinking and whoring was toned down. Some day we might find out where whores go.
TV is the definitive version. Books are practically lame fan fiction.
Nah R + L = J will absolutely be the case in the books, it's central to Jon's character and Ned's as well. Anything else would be pointless subversion. Although yeah, he'll be a lot more changed after death - he'll probably spend some time in Ghost in the books, which obviously would never have translated to screen.
It won’t, so you should be fine.
Yeah, especially considering Varys had the last word in the last book, that epic little speech when he’s taking out poor Ser Kevan. Man I wish I could have seen that scene play out on TV.
The writing in this show is pretty funny now. It's making it pointless to make predictions.
Can someone remind me who Aegon is 
can't remember the last book much
can't remember the last book muchCan someone remind me who Aegon is
Let Varys explain:
A man after my own heart.
Have always defended AFFC and ADWD. Yes they are slow and uneventful compared to the 3 preceding books, but they are also much more introspective and descriptive about the human conflict, which is the heart of the series.
They're interesting but they're also essentially two books that fail to cover what GRRM originally planned to do in one book considering ADWD is unfinished. And so if you look at it from that perspective he's not fully written his intended sequel to ASOS, which came out nearly two decades ago.
I stopped watching the show a few seasons ago to avoid spoilers. Still waiting for the books to come out
I stopped watching the show a few seasons ago to avoid spoilers. Still waiting for the books to come out
suckerYeah they’re great. I especially enjoy Jaime and Tyrion’s stories, each tormented and haunted by their father’s legacy and their handicaps. Tyrion really going over to the dark side on a few occasions. But Jaime is my favorite by far. Really appreciate Brienne’s chapters more and more now, and Cersei losing the plot is great. I even really enjoy the Ironborn and Dorne chapters now. Still not a fan of Quentyn though.
When you think that he originally intended just three books, I think it’s possible that the story of Game of Thrones, Clash of Kings and Storm of Swords is basically the first intended book, expanded. Which may make the last two just part of the originally intended second book. So feck knows how much writing he actually has left.
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Aye, AFFC and ADWD were meant to be the break between act one and two. Which would (technically mean) GRRM's a third of the way through his intended story.
Definitely will read, should he ever manage another book. I'm still hoping he will put the plotlines the show botched right.
Y'all too optimistic if you think GRRM is gonna sit his lazy ass down and finish the book series. He's got two more books to write, his pace has slowed to a book per decade and he's a 70yo that's been grossly overweight all his life. Odds are stacked heavily against him.
He should just call it quits and give it to Brandon Sanderson to finish it off. We might actually get a good wrapping up then, like he did with WoT.
He should just call it quits and give it to Brandon Sanderson to finish it off. We might actually get a good wrapping up then, like he did with WoT.
FFS, not Brandon Sanderson. The ending would be a bunch of superheroes defeating the Others, and then a final clash of wills between an ascended Jon and Rhllor or whatever.
I hope GRRM finishes them, but if he dies before it, I hope he leaves the books to be finished either by Joe Abercrombie or Daniel Abrahams.
I thought GRRM died seeing the title.
Let’s put the magnum opus of a gore/nudity friendly atheist hippie into the hand of a prudish conservative Christian author, what can possibly go wrong?
I don't think that Sanderson actually writes anything with Christian/Mormon themes and I have enjoyed some of his books. The biggest problem is that their styles are so different that it doesn't make sense for him to finish those books. He was ideal for WoT (considering that his writing in the first place has been heavily influenced from it) but ASOIAF is a totally different beast and if someone else has to finish it, it has to be someone who is influenced from GRRM's writing (Abercrombie, Lawrence, Abraham and so on), with Abramah being easily the one with the most similar style (though nowhere as good as GRRM, or even Abercrombie).
Considering that GRRM is friends with Abraham, and he loved the Expanse (written by Abraham and GRRM's ex-assistant and Ty Franck), I think that it will be either Abraham or an unfinished series, if GRRM cannot finish the books himself.
It would have to be Abercrombie for me.
Tbf I wouldn't mind a fan fiction like that
Ok, death prediction for the new episode:
Jaime is going to be the big death, sacrificing himself to save Daenerys. The little brother prophecy will be realized by Arya wearing Jaime's face.
Theon dies saving Bran. Lady Mormont dies. Lady/Ser Brienne dies. Gendry dies. Most of the people in the crypts die. Add Gray Worm and Missandei too.
Jaime is going to be the big death, sacrificing himself to save Daenerys. The little brother prophecy will be realized by Arya wearing Jaime's face.
Theon dies saving Bran. Lady Mormont dies. Lady/Ser Brienne dies. Gendry dies. Most of the people in the crypts die. Add Gray Worm and Missandei too.
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Can't see Jaime dying. I'd be surprised if he doesn't make it back to KL to confront Cersei and finish his arc.
Brienne, Theon, Gendry, Jorah are all certs.
Brienne, Theon, Gendry, Jorah are all certs.
Thought this too and then I had a convo with my boss, and she is convinced that it is gonna be Arya with his face, which actually would be an even bigger feck you to Cersei than Jaime killing her. Plus Arya didn't kill almost anyone in her list, and Cersei is the most important of them all (bar Joffrey himself).
I think that someone big has to die (in addition to lesser characters next episode), and I cannot see Daenerys, Jon or Tyrion checking out this early. Which leaves Jaime as the top choice (Arya and Sansa are not as important to the story as him). It would be poetic if Brienne falls early, for Jaime to take command of that part of the army, save the day, save Daenerys at the very end while falling himself. The best ending for the best-written character in the show.
I really think that almost everyone who had an emotional scene this episode is a dead man walking.