Books A Song of Ice and Fire (Books) | TV show? What TV show?

There are a million boards on the internet to freely discuss GoT/ASOIAF. If you are banned from one, find another. Pretty simple really.

I'd say that if you feel that strongly about the show, you'd enjoy it more on Free Folk. Give it a try. No reason to be that upset unless you crave affirmation from people you are acquainted with over that thread. We are just a bunch of silly names on a message board.
 
Do you still get notifications when you're tagged or quoted in the other thread even though you're banned from it? If yes, your notifications must have gone absolutely bonkers since the finale :lol:
 
InfiniteBoredom said:
There are a million boards on the internet to freely discuss GoT/ASOIAF. If you are banned from one, find another. Pretty simple really.

I'd say that if you feel that strongly about the show, you'd enjoy it more on Free Folk. Give it a try. No reason to be that upset unless you crave affirmation from people you are acquainted with over that thread. We are just a bunch of silly names on a message board.
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I don't mind Free Folk. It's a good place to go for jokes about the show, but that's all. I love coming here because the layout suits discussion.
 
Welsh Wonder said:
Do you still get notifications when you're tagged or quoted in the other thread even though you're banned from it? If yes, your notifications must have gone absolutely bonkers since the finale :lol:
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Not that I know of. I was asleep when I was threadbanned and woke up to everything that had happened.
 
robinamicrowave said:
I don't mind Free Folk. It's a good place to go for jokes about the show, but that's all. I love coming here because the layout suits discussion.
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Then Westeros.org or ASOIAF. There are dedicated sections for the show with a long standing community. Same layout. I haven't checked them for a while but last time I was there it was pretty much the same as the show thread here, minus the hysteria about potential spoilers.
 
robinamicrowave said:
I've been threadbanned by KM from the TV thread so I took a couple of days out for things to blow over. I've exchanged a couple of PMs with Redlambs and KM, and while Redlambs has given me the benefit of the doubt, there's no way back in for me with regards to KM. I'll ask him again at some point but not yet, he doesn't need it.

I was going to give myself a week off and let things calm down but it seems that my name keeps getting dragged up so I might as well try to defend myself. I'll happily admit I read the leaks on a week by week basis after episode four was leaked, but not before. I watched episode 4, read the leaks for episode 5, watched episode 5, read the leaks for episode 6, etc. I was always careful to not post anything that would ruin the show for others. Personally I don't care about spoilers all that much but others do and I attempted to respect that.

Before I read the leaks following episode four, though, every theory I posted was based on stuff you could find in public. Mainly trailer footage, reading into media appearances from the cast, that sort of thing. Once a picture of Maisie Williams holding Littlefinger's dagger appeared in Entertainment Weekly it seemed obvious to me that she would kill him at some stage. Once the trailer showed Bran at the Winterfell godswood it seemed obvious to me that he'd use his powers to help Arya figure things out before Sansa's life was endangered. Did I get it all correct? No. In my mind I had Jon going beyond The Wall in episode two because the trailer only showed him at Winterfell and fighting wights in the ice, as opposed to his three episode trip to Dragonstone.

And with regards to my prediction about the Night King breaching The Wall, in my head I initially had Castle Black down as the target of the Night King's army until they name-dropped Eastwatch three times in the first episode of the season. How they got through The Wall was still a mystery to me but ever since they announced the show would be ending at season 8, the last moment of the penultimate season was always going to be the Night King descending on Westeros somehow. Considering so many people on this forum have criticised the show for becoming too predictable since season 6, the treatment of people who manage to correctly predict about 50% of what happens is unusual.

Once episode 6 was over I implied to someone that Sansa wasn't being an idiot by sending Brienne away. But that was only when a user on here seemed either panicked or irritated at her character progression this season. But even that turned out to be wrong, as interviews with Isaac Hempstead-Wright (Bran) and Jeremy Podeswa (the director) have revealed since. It turns out Sansa was just being an idiot and that her decision to send Brienne to King's Landing wasn't her staying one step ahead of Littlefinger. It turns out there was a scene cut from the script that involved Sansa going to Bran's chambers and asking him for help in the night after her final talk with Littlefinger.

I love Game of Thrones. I've seen every episode at least four times, I rewatch classic episodes regularly, I read about it, talk about it, watch reaction series' and listen to podcasts about it, follow blogs that focus on production dates and cast appearances in the media. It's a huge hobby of mine. It's become that much of a big deal for me because of how much I enjoy watching it. I wouldn't want to deliberately spoil the show for others because it would ultimately prevent them from loving the show as much as I do. And what would have happened if I'd posted accurate leaks? Well, exactly what's happened to me this week. I get threadbanned and I'm prevented from talking about a show I love with others who feel as passionately about it as I do, my name essentially dragged through the mud.

That was always going to happen and it's why I didn't bother doing it.

KM says I'm allowed in the book thread for now to discuss the show and I thank him for that. The only way for this to blow over is to keep posting. Redlambs says I'll have the shit ripped out of me and that's fine now I think about it, and there will be some posters who won't budge. Both of those things are fine. But it sucks that any theory I post in the future will now be under more scrutiny than anyone else's because of what's happened. It also means that any theory I post will automatically be regarded as a leak. Say I predict that Tormund and Beric made it out alive and headed east to Castle Black to warn them, or that the Great War will be sorted by episode four of the new season - they're both perfectly logical plotpoints but because of what I've been accused of this week, the case could be argued against me again.

I'm hoping that, by the time season 8 comes round, this whole matter is dealt with and things can go back to normal. As Redlambs implied to me over PM, that process only starts if I carry on posting.
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Good post. Welcome back.
 
Think i might start avoiding this thread tbh.
I knew what was going to happen in the last episode from second to second,
there wasn't a single surprise because some people have had spectacularly detailed and accurate 'predictions' about it for weeks.
I could go back and figure out who it was and introduce them to my blacklist but its just too much effort and Im not sure i care that much anymore
 
caid said:
Think i might start avoiding this thread tbh.
I knew what was going to happen in the last episode from second to second,
there wasn't a single surprise because some people have had spectacularly detailed and accurate 'predictions' about it for weeks.
I could go back and figure out who it was and introduce them to my blacklist but its just too much effort and Im not sure i care that much anymore
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That's why I haven't read one 'speculation' post since I started watching the show. What's the point? There's literally no purpose to reading what some anonymous poster thinks is going to happen. Discussing the episodes after they air is much more fun anyway.
 
InfiniteBoredom said:
Then Westeros.org or ASOIAF. There are dedicated sections for the show with a long standing community. Same layout. I haven't checked them for a while but last time I was there it was pretty much the same as the show thread here, minus the hysteria about potential spoilers.
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I was briefly a member of the ASOIAF forum but they went ridiculously anti-show once season 5 was over. It was basically impossible to start a discussion on there without someone leaping in that the show had completely lost it.
 
robinamicrowave said:
I was briefly a member of the ASOIAF forum but they went ridiculously anti-show once season 5 was over. It was basically impossible to start a discussion on there without someone leaping in that the show had completely lost it.
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Can you blame them knowing the way they butchered Dorne and Winterfell plot? That's the anger phase.

I was there a few months ago, it seems fine.
 
robinamicrowave said:
I didn't. Please read the very long post I made this afternoon.
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I just re read it (scanned through briefly earlier)
I dunno, I guess it wasn't a spectacularly surprising series of the show and by piecing bits of the trailer together it wouldn't have been a huge leap to make the various calls you made.
I just avoided all the interviews, trailers and other stuff not to ruin it for myself and ... it didn't help much ...

At the end of the day I have no real business complaining about it, I'm ruining it for myself and if it wasn't you it'd be someone else.
Pop in the day after the show and avoid the longer posts that go beyond talking about Melisandres tits and I'll probably enjoy it.
Carry on
 
InfiniteBoredom said:
Then Westeros.org or ASOIAF. There are dedicated sections for the show with a long standing community. Same layout. I haven't checked them for a while but last time I was there it was pretty much the same as the show thread here, minus the hysteria about potential spoilers.
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And there was a cnut there too who was posting leaked information as his own prediction. Called it, and surprisingly he dissapeared. The nice thing of ASOIAF forum is that even the only TV-show watchers don't mind book information considering that the show has surpassed the books a long time ago and all the book info just gives more depth to the show without spoiling anything.

Posting leaked info just to look smart is a bit sad though. There were multiple people here who had read the leaks, but we stayed away from giving predictions in this thread.
 
"I read the leaks on a week by week basis but not before episode 4"
robinamicrowave said:
Baelish will get found out this season and meet a grisly end. I'm going to guess at a timeline.

First couple of episodes: As we've seen in the trailer, Jon and Baelish have a conversation in the crypt - probably about Jon's heritage or that he's not a "proper king" - remember that it was Baelish who told Sansa the story about Rhaegar and Lyanna in season 5. The conversation leads to Jon becoming a bit wound up and pushing Baelish up against the wall, mirroring Ned's first meeting with him in season one outside the King's Landing brothel. Littlefinger will use this chat as an opportunity to get the measure of Jon, to see how easily he can be wound up, and will begin to plant the idea in Sansa's head that she's a more worthy ruler because her temper is cooler and she's a better strategist - "Jon can't be trusted, that's why you didn't tell him about the Knights of the Vale" he'll say to her. Sansa will begin to doubt Jon, and if she's got even the slightest inkling that he's a Targaryen there could be more trouble in the works.

Mid-season: Jon has left Winterfell to go north beyond the Wall, leaving Sansa in charge. Baelish takes this opportunity to show Sansa she can manage the politics of the North by herself, that she could easily step in and do the job if Jon were to die beyond the Wall. Arya and Bran have both arrived back at Winterfell, but the reunion doesn't last long as Baelish immediately sets about causing a rift between the Stark children, playing on the fact that Arya and Sansa never got on in the first place. Cracks begin to appear in the relationship between the Stark children.

Final two/three episodes: Something happens to make Sansa reconsider things. Maybe Brienne says a few wise words. This, I imagine, is where the "The lone wolf dies but the pack survives" speech will come into it, that Sansa, Jon, Arya and Bran need to stick together when the full force of winter arrives. Maybe the show will make it really convenient and wrap it up easily, with Bran looking into the past and seeing that Baelish betrayed Ned, murdered Jon Arryn and that his feelings for Sansa are a mixture of necrophiliac lust for Catelyn and his own desire to take the Iron Throne. He's betrayed a Stark to get what he wants before, and he'll betray a Stark to get what he wants again. With everything out in the wash, Sansa sentences Baelish to death and Arya carries out the deed with his own dagger. Everyone goes home happy.
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robinamicrowave said:
He'll stumble across a few more titbits about Valryian steel and dragonglass and how they can be used against the Army of the Dead. But I also think Sam will discover something to do with Rhaegar and Lyanna that the Citadel have attempted to bury, or allow to rot. But let's face it, by the time that Sam's finished at the Citadel there won't be a Castle Black to go back to, so I imagine he'll stay at Winterfell to be an aid to Jon during the war. This is where he'll meet Bran again and they'll piece together his visions with the knowledge Sam now has, and ta-da. They'll collate everything they've learnt together and tell Jon he's a feckin' Targaryen.
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Yeah sure. Feck off.
 
Kasper said:
"I read the leaks on a week by week basis but not before episode 4"




Yeah sure. Feck off.
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:lol: Have to laugh really.

I wonder what he thought when he was writing it.

"Oh yes they'll love me for writing out exactly what happens, I'll just put something like "Oh just total guesses lolz" to make sure they don't figure it out though. What could go wrong?"
 
Massive Spanner said:
:lol: Have to laugh really.

I wonder what he thought when he was writing it.

"Oh yes they'll love me for writing out exactly what happens, I'll just put something like "Oh just total guesses lolz" to make sure they don't figure it out though. What could go wrong?"
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:lol::lol: I personally aren't particularly arsed any more. This season was already spoiled for me. I'll be a lot more careful with s8, it is funny how he keeps denying it though. It's the most blatant thing ever. Such a long winded post just to try and rationalise, then carefully shed a little blame which nobody is buying. I've done that trick before with other things in life I know when I see it. Lad probably meant no malice just dug himself a hole he can't climb out of.
 
Kasper said:
"I read the leaks on a week by week basis but not before episode 4"

Yeah sure. Feck off.
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Again I must stress that about half of these predictions have turned out to be completely wrong. Castle Black still stands; there's been next to nothing about Valyrian steel mentioned this season (especially not at the Citadel); Jon went to Dragonstone for three episodes as opposed to going straight to The Wall; Brienne had no wise words to bring to the table because she was off in King's Landing; Jon and Baelish didn't talk about his lineage, they instead spoke about Sansa. I could go on and on with things I called wrong.

And once again I must stress that anybody could work this stuff out if they spent as much time as I do wondering about where the plot was heading. Was I aware of the leaks at this point? Yes, but I avoided them. I found out last season that Tommen was going to commit suicide and that delicate, tragic scene was slightly ruined for me when I first watched the s6 finale. Hell, I even avoided watching the leaked version of The Spoils of War for two days until I got bored on a Saturday afternoon and watched it. While I was snooping around Reddit looking for it, I noticed they also had the leaked plot outlines stickied to the top of the noticeboard. Once episode four was over I read episode five's script, once episode five was over I read episode six's script, and so on and so on.

I'm trying to move past this whole fiasco and get back into the TV thread but if people are going to keep dragging me up then it's never going to get put to rest. As I said in that long post earlier in this thread: for a group of Game of Thrones fans who have spent the last eighteen months criticising how predictable it has become, the treatment of people who managed to correctly predict about 50% of the events has been fecking strange.
 
Kasper said:
"I read the leaks on a week by week basis but not before episode 4"




Yeah sure. Feck off.
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:lol: What a sad, strange little man he is. He should be banned from both threads as I wouldn't trust him not to do the same again.
 
Stringer said:
:lol: What a sad, strange little man he is. He should be banned from both threads as I wouldn't trust him not to do the same again.
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I thought I'd covered this but it turns out I hadn't done so publicly.

My plan is to go into this final season completely blind, not even trying to work out various plot-points or events beforehand, and nor will I watch the trailer. I started watching the show just as season 5 was ending, and so I knew about Ned's death, the Red Wedding and Jon Snow's stabbing because all my friends watched the show and excitedly told me about each event. All three moments were superb when I finally reached them, but when I watched the show through with family and friends I became slightly envious of their reactions - the fact that they were essentially experiencing it in the moment, like a football game really.

So throughout season 6 I avoided basically every spoiler I could until I was told that Tommen was going to commit suicide about two weeks before the finale, and I remember Johnathon Pryce himself saying that the High Sparrow would be "locked in a room and blown up." Again the effects were lessened, but Miguel Sapochnik's directing of that episode was so good that it still has a huge impact after all this time. So when this season came around I didn't go looking for spoilers but I read every article that broke the trailer down frame by frame, I went and looked at that copy of Entertainment Weekly which featured Maisie Williams on the front holding Littlefinger's dagger, all that shit. And as far as I'm concerned I felt the same way about the season as I would have done if I'd gone in blind.

But the final season is basically it. This is the last time I'm ever going to go into a season of this show, it's the last chance it's ever going to get to surprise me. This show has done things for me which no other TV show ever has before. I started watching this show in the middle of 2015 when my depression was probably at its worst. I was seriously unwell with a complicated illness which didn't improve or get worse, I was just housebound for months with no real end in sight. But when I started watching Game of Thrones it quickly dawned on me that this universe was rich, dense, packed to the gills with mythology and characters, and it quickly gave me something to distract myself.

Over time my condition has improved to the point where I'm no longer housebound but my obsession with the show hasn't dropped. When news of a new season or trailer emerges I'm on it almost immediately, theorising with the rest of the nerds who love this show, reading articles and what have you. Are all the theories I post in this thread my own original ideas? Nope. They're usually bits and pieces from forums, friends, articles, etc. combined with my own thoughts on where things are heading. For the first two or three episodes of this season I was fairly clueless as to what was going to happen. You can even read posts I made on this forum where I'm asked about what could happen in s7e3 and I had to admit that I had absolutely no idea.

Frankly I enjoyed that brief two/three episode period where I had no idea what was going to happen in each of them, but my curiosity about the rest of the season ultimately got the better of me. So with regards to this final of seasons, I'm going to let the show deliver to me what it wants to me and not try to predict or second guess or interpret anything. This show means as much to me as football and music, and when season 8 rolls around it'll be like saying goodbye to Breaking Bad all over again. I want that to happen as the show intended: on Monday mornings at 2am, in my living room, making myself tired and fecking up my body clock just so I can experience it with everyone else.

So whilst I didn't publish leaks as my own theories this season, there's certainly no chance I'll be doing it next year either.
 
Rereading the first book and I'm starting to think it would be absolutely logical if Arya came back and killed her if she ever found out all the things Sansa had done to bring about the end of House Stark.
 
Freedom Aluteni said:
Rereading the first book and I'm starting to think it would be absolutely logical if Arya came back and killed her if she ever found out all the things Sansa had done to bring about the end of House Stark.
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Yeah, she was a right little cnut early on. You've got to take into account her upbringing and the way she was thinking though. Easy to pass judgement as an omniscient observer but she didn't really know the things we do.
 
Freedom Aluteni said:
Rereading the first book and I'm starting to think it would be absolutely logical if Arya came back and killed her if she ever found out all the things Sansa had done to bring about the end of House Stark.
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She ran to Cersei crying about being sent away, that was it really. As much of a sociopath Arya is, she isn't stupid enough to think Sansa deliberately did that knowing how it'd have panned out.

The letter thing in the show is weak.
 
Don't bring the other thread's drama in here, please. Nobody gives a feck.
 
To be fair, I believe Robin. I'm sure that if you looked at every single bit of promotional material about the show and read every single discussion board then you would have a pretty accurate forecast of what was going to happen in the show. Especially when I'm sure that involves reading opinions and forums where some people have read all the leaks.

But then Robin has to understand how likely it is that his 'informed guesses' are going to be proved correct, and how much people on a forum obsessed (rightfully imo) with spoilers are going to hate that level of detailed guesswork. Just look at how much trailers for future episodes wind people up, let alone what you've done.

I think @harshad has a chat room for people comfortable having the show spoiled for them. Maybe join that to discuss instead.
 
Scarecrow said:
Don't bring the other thread's drama in here, please. Nobody gives a feck.
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This. We don't care about leaks and all that nonsense. I've read a couple of @robinamicrowave's posts and I think he goes to great lengths to defend the show, like a lite JustaFan.

Massive Spanner said:
:lol: Why don't you just feck off?
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You've been doing that for a while in the other thread. Why don't you let it go?
 
InfiniteBoredom said:
She ran to Cersei crying about being sent away, that was it really. As much of a sociopath Arya is, she isn't stupid enough to think Sansa deliberately did that knowing how it'd have panned out.

The letter thing in the show is weak.
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I felt terrible for Sophie and Maisie this season, truly.

When any TV show or film casts kids there's never really any way of knowing whether they'll turn into good actors as they move into adolescence. It's always a risk. Thankfully they seem to have done well: Sophie had a couple of rough episodes in season 6 but she's brought her A-game ever since. And other than a ropey scene in Beyond the Wall, Maisie's played Arya wonderfully. Frankly I can't imagine anyone else in their roles now because of how well they've both done adapting to their respective characters.

But what they had to work with this season was hard. Much like the plot which resulted in the Night King getting Viserion, it seems they wrote the Winterfell story backwards from Littlefinger's death. So much of the drama actively worked against the efforts they'd put in to resurrect Arya's character after the clumsy end to season 6. When Arya arrived at Winterfell she was ready to leave her list behind, to focus on protecting the Stark name productively instead of murdering people who no longer mattered. One hidden letter and suddenly she's threatening to kill Sansa. The entire thing was nonsense.

The pay-off was good, and fair play to Aiden Gillen for carrying his role as Baelish right to the very, very end, but everything leading up to that badly exposed the fact that they just couldn't think of anything for the Stark kids and Baelish to do this season. The show needed to get Littlefinger out of the way because once the Night King's army's on Winterfell's doorstep there's nothing for him to do, but they could have gone about it in a completely different way and still achieved the same result. I regularly cut D&D a lot of slack but they're too actor-focused as writers to suit a character-based show.
 
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