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InfiniteBoredom said:
Did she know it was Theon? I may do a re-read to find out but iirc she left the Hound and took ship to Braavos shortly after RW. News travel slowly and often confusing.

Her list is a bit arbitrary anyway, added Walder Frey but excluded Tywin even though she realized at Harrenhal when she made Jaqen do the killing that everything starts and ends with him.
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Theon kills the miller's boy near the end of ACOK, no? Think Arya is still at Harrenhall near the end of ACOK. She has a conversation with a Frey kid, who tells her that he was supposed to marry a princess and now has been told that the weddings off, which is also near the end of ACOK.

Hmmm.... probably happens near simultaneously and she leaves Harrenhall around the time the news from Winterfell must have come in.
 
There were leaks last season too.
The leaked episodes ended up being discussed in a GoT conversation (so a good time to restart that?)
Its what gave the thread title its current name
BOOK & TV SPOILERS (AIRED EPISODES ONLY) & SPECULATION

Basically if you know anything that happens in unaired episodes it should go in a spoiler imo
Including speculation because you know a bunch of information people dont want to find out via a post on recafe.
 
harshad said:
Theon kills the miller's boy near the end of ACOK, no? Think Arya is still at Harrenhall near the end of ACOK. She has a conversation with a Frey kid, who tells her that he was supposed to marry a princess and now has been told that the weddings off, which is also near the end of ACOK.

Hmmm.... probably happens near simultaneously and she leaves Harrenhall around the time the news from Winterfell must have come in.
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Where would she go? Winterfell was gone. Her grandfather’s brother was at Riverrun, but he didn’t know her, no more than she knew him.
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From Arya's PoV after RW.

So she knew about Winterfell being taken, but probably didnt know Theon did it. She did think to herself later on that Bran and Rickon are all dead in her wolf dreams.
 
caid said:
There were leaks last season too.
The leaked episodes ended up being discussed in a GoT conversation (so a good time to restart that?)
Its what gave the thread title its current name
BOOK & TV SPOILERS (AIRED EPISODES ONLY) & SPECULATION

Basically if you know anything that happens in unaired episodes it should go in a spoiler imo
Including speculation because you know a bunch of information people dont want to find out via a post on recafe.
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Apparently the rule is not post anything related to unaired stuff including trailers and preview for next episodes. Not even in spoilers. Speculation is allowed in spoilers
 
InfiniteBoredom said:
From Arya's PoV after RW.

So she knew about Winterfell being taken, but probably didnt know Theon did it. She did think to herself later on that Bran and Rickon are all dead in her wolf dreams.
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Yeah but a lot of time passes between Theon killing the millers boys and the RW.

Anyways I just asked because they were talking a about Arya's list in this episode and many people on reddit were asking who remains on her list. Was surprised to not find Theon there.
 
Revan said:
Jaime is an interesting one. Made a post in quora about it today:

https://www.quora.com/Is-Jaime-craz...-grown-dragon-by-her-side/answer/Ismail-Elezi
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I agree Speculation on my part but (show only prediction)
I have a feeling Jaime will join the good guys in the end.

Possibly even fight alongside Brienne and if he survives become LC of the Nights Watch (if there is a need for said organisation) or more likely go out in a blaze of glory taking one for Jon or Dany. I'll say Jon because the end theory I seem to side with is
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Jon to be AA and Dany to be NissaNissa. Mel is setting Dany up for said job by bring her and Jon together imho and the open interpretation of the prophecy will lead to alot of viewers being shocked its not Dany.

To me Jaime's arc is one a guy struggling at but never quite redeeming his past deeds (both book and show) until the bitter end.

InfiniteBoredom said:
He watched Aerys roasting people for sports, PTSD seems to be more apt.

The apt response to 'oh feck Mad King's daughter is riding a huge lizard melting people flesh off their bones' isn't 'let's leave my sister and lover'.
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I don't think at all this will be what turns him away from Cersei, I think its a very small change in Jaime's character. I'd agree more Ptsd than he's leaving his sister but I also feel it will be a step towards Jaime finally seeing through his blindness towards Cersei and I still think he'll ineviatabely join the side of the good.

It's also kind of disappointing the sides of good and bad are so black and white in the show now and almost all the grey is gone out of every character.
 
harshad said:
Yeah but a lot of time passes between Theon killing the millers boys and the RW.

Anyways I just asked because they were talking a about Arya's list in this episode and many people on reddit were asking who remains on her list. Was surprised to not find Theon there.
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I think her reply to the Walder boys was 'I might have lost my little brothers' or something to the same effect. She was cupbearer for Roose at the time so probably heard the report first hand, but whether such report mentioned Theon specifically or just the Ironborn in general we didnt know. After that she was on the run all the way to RW so fresh news from the North were scarce to come by.

That, or Martin made a writing error. It wouldnt be the first time.
 
padr81 said:
I agree Speculation on my part but (show only prediction)
I have a feeling Jaime will join the good guys in the end.

Possibly even fight alongside Brienne and if he survives become LC of the Nights Watch (if there is a need for said organisation) or more likely go out in a blaze of glory taking one for Jon or Dany. I'll say Jon because the end theory I seem to side with is
spoiler in a spoiler:
Jon to be AA and Dany to be NissaNissa. Mel is setting Dany up for said job by bring her and Jon together imho and the open interpretation of the prophecy will lead to alot of viewers being shocked its not Dany.

To me Jaime's arc is one a guy struggling at but never quite redeeming his past deeds (both book and show) until the bitter end.
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Yep, Lord Commander of Nights Watch is another possibility, if he survives. I think that Nights Watch will continue existing, just in case The Others return after a few thousand years.

But, sticking with my prediction that he is gonna sacrifice himself to save one of the two chosen ones. Talking about them, cannot see neither Jon nor Dany surviving the events. Initially, I thought that Jon is AA and Dany 'The Prince who was Promised', but it isn't clear if they are one of the same, and in which case 'who is Nissa Nissa'. Like all prophecies, I don't expect these to be straightforward, neither Martin to draw them for us, and will always be subject to interpretation.
 
'Would you mind if I change sides' and 'Fewer' were genuinely brilliant one liners from Lord Davos.

He has the best dialogues in the last 2-3 seasons.
 
InfiniteBoredom said:
I think her reply to the Walder boys was 'I might have lost my little brothers' or something to the same effect. She was cupbearer for Roose at the time so probably heard the report first hand, but whether such report mentioned Theon specifically or just the Ironborn in general we didnt know. After that she was on the run all the way to RW so fresh news from the North were scarce to come by.

That, or Martin made a writing error. It wouldnt be the first time.
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Yeah must be that.

Its been 4 years since I last read any of ASOIAF books. Been pushing the re-reads in anticipation of Winds of Winter getting published.
 
Speaking of fake history... regulars here may recall our plan to assemble an entire book of my fake histories of the Targaryen kings, a volume we called (in jest) the GRRMarillion or (more seriously) FIRE AND BLOOD. We have so much material that it's been decided to publish the book in two volumes. The first of those will cover the history of Westeros from Aegon's Conquest up to and through the regency of the boy king Aegon III (the Dragonbane). That one is largely written, and will include (for the first time) a complete detailed history of the Targaryen civil war, the Dance of the Dragons. My stories in DANGEROUS WOMEN ("The Princess and the Queen") and ROGUES ("The Rogue Prince") were abridged versions of the same histories.

No publication date has been set yet, but it's likely that we will get the first volume of FIRE AND BLOOD out in late 2018 or early 2019. The second volume, which will carry the history from Aegon III up to Robert's Rebellion, is largely unwritten, so that one will be a few more years in coming.

And, yes, I know you all want to know about THE WINDS OF WINTER too. I've seen some truly weird reports about WOW on the internet of late, by 'journalists' who make their stories up out of whole cloth. I don't know which story is more absurd, the one that says the book is finished and I've been sitting on it for some nefarious reason, or the one that says I have no pages. Both 'reports' are equally false and equally moronic. I am still working on it, I am still months away (how many? good question), I still have good days and bad days, and that's all I care to say. Whether WINDS or the first volume of FIRE AND BLOOD will be the first to hit the bookstores is hard to say at this juncture, but I do think you will have a Westeros book from me in 2018... and who knows, maybe two. A boy can dream...
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So 18:10 post was hint for possible Oct 2018 release of FIRE AND BLOOD.

Also, 'months away' for the nth time.
 
fishfingers15 said:
If it is your speculation, it should be no issues. There are many people who don't mind spoilers here but there are a few who do.
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It's not my information. Basically I have come across a plot outline for episode 2 of next season. I have no idea if it's real or just someones elaborate fanfiction, but I don't want to post it here if it's against the rules.
 
BristolRuss said:
It's not my information. Basically I have come across a plot outline for episode 2 of next season. I have no idea if it's real or just someones elaborate fanfiction, but I don't want to post it here if it's against the rules.
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That's speculation. You can post it. In this thread, speculation of future events are in the thread itself without spoilers. We openly discuss fAegon/fArya, Jon-Sansa or Jon-Arya match etc. But you can be on the safe side and post it in spoilers.
 
BristolRuss said:
It's not my information. Basically I have come across a plot outline for episode 2 of next season. I have no idea if it's real or just someones elaborate fanfiction, but I don't want to post it here if it's against the rules.
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If it's possible leaked information then it's not meant to be posted. Speculation is fine but that's not speculation.
 
sullydnl said:
If it's possible leaked information then it's not meant to be posted. Speculation is fine but that's not speculation.
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It is fanfiction, not a leaked TV Spoiler. These blogs/theories have been posted and debated many times in this thread. One such was posted in Page 231 by Harshad about Arya's story arc.
 
fishfingers15 said:
That's speculation. You can post it. In this thread, speculation of future events are in the thread itself without spoilers. We openly discuss fAegon/fArya, Jon-Sansa or Jon-Arya match etc. But you can be on the safe side and post it in spoilers.
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Cool, there is a link to it in the spoiler below then. I was worried because a lot of the leaks from last year were dismissed as fanfictions, yet have been right on the button so far :lol:

Read at your own risk - potential future spoilers.
*spoiler removed*
 
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BristolRuss said:
Cool, there is a link to it in the spoiler below then. I was worried because a lot of the leaks from last year were dismissed as fanfictions, yet have been right on the button so far :lol:

Read at your own risk - potential future spoilers.
https://pastebin.com/Aiginbap
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I have read that link last weekend and it was neat, but that definitely is a purpoted leak. Sorry for the bad advice, but can you remove it? I just don't want to be the reason for you getting thread banned.

I'd leave it to others to see if they want to read it. It' basically a leak of Episode 2 of Season 8 with plotlines.
 
fishfingers15 said:
I have read that link last weekend and it was neat, but that definitely is a purpoted leak. Sorry for the bad advice, but can you remove it? I just don't want to be the reason for you getting thread banned.

I'd leave it to others to see if they want to read it. It' basically a leak of Episode 2 of Season 8 with plotlines.
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Ah, well I've removed it now.
 
Gave that a read because I couldn't help myself, surely an episode of tv can't be that good.
 
fishfingers15 said:
It's difficult to have any kind of sympathy for him when people ask if he's going to die before he completes the book.
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It'll be more than a touch ironic if the 'American Tolkien' finishes his Silmarillion but not his LoTR.

The script seems real enough. The hackers stole more than 1.5 TB from HBO so expect the whole plotlines of S8 to be dropped soon.
 
BristolRuss said:
Cool, there is a link to it in the spoiler below then. I was worried because a lot of the leaks from last year were dismissed as fanfictions, yet have been right on the button so far :lol:

Read at your own risk - potential future spoilers.
*spoiler removed*
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Lol, that has to be fanfiction.
 
Talking about the Golden Company, with JonCon and Young Griff not being in the show, who is their leader? My money is on:

Daario Naharris. The third betrayal (for love) completed.
 
Just finished reading Princess and the Queen (thanks @InfiniteBoredom ;)).
Its a wonderful read about the Dance of Dragons detailing the war between Rhaneyra(sp) and Aegon. The weapon 'Scorpion' is also mentioned in the novella.

The weapon doesn't seem very effective. Don't remember it directly killing any dragon.
 
DM07 said:
Just finished reading Princess and the Queen (thanks @InfiniteBoredom ;)).
Its a wonderful read about the Dance of Dragons detailing the war between Rhaneyra(sp) and Aegon. The weapon 'Scorpion' is also mentioned in the novella.

The weapon doesn't seem very effective. Don't remember it directly killing any dragon.
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Glad to be of service mate.
Except for the dragons that were killed in the Storming of Dragonpit, the only known dragons to be brought down by man-made weapons in Martin-verse are Meraxes and Vermax. Meraxes was brought down by a scorpion through the eye.
 
DM07 said:
Just finished reading Princess and the Queen (thanks @InfiniteBoredom ;)).
Its a wonderful read about the Dance of Dragons detailing the war between Rhaneyra(sp) and Aegon. The weapon 'Scorpion' is also mentioned in the novella.

The weapon doesn't seem very effective. Don't remember it directly killing any dragon.
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I liked more 'The Rogue Prince, or, A King's Brother' but 'Princess and the Queen' is more important in the grand scheme of things.

On 'A World of Ice and Fire' it is explained that Meraxes (Aegon's little sister's dragon) was killed by a scorpion when she tried to invade Dorne. He's like the only dragon killed (not poisoned) by humans in Westeros. And he was both larger and older than Drogon, so I guess the scorpion should be more effective against Dany's dragons than against the old dragons.
 
InfiniteBoredom said:
There were 6 dragons killed by men in the Storming of Dragonpit.

Meraxes was the only one killed by a scorpion.
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You're right. I had the impression that they were poisoned (though to be fair, there isn't much to suggest that dragons can be poisoned in the first place).
 
Revan said:
You're right. I had the impression that they were poisoned (though to be fair, there isn't much to suggest that dragons can be poisoned in the first place).
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I think Marwyn talked about the hatchling under Aegon III the Dragonbane who were born stunted and died soon after.

From the canon of the Dance, it's quite clear all dragons died in battle, except for the Cannibal who disappeared from Dragonstone and Sheepstealer with the girl Nettles. Scant evidence for those two being poisoned.
 
Has anyone here read A Knight of the Seven Kingdoms? I heard its a prequel to this whole series. Since I havent started reading the books, should I start with this or just skip it and start with book 1?
 
RDCR07 said:
Has anyone here read A Knight of the Seven Kingdoms? I heard its a prequel to this whole series. Since I havent started reading the books, should I start with this or just skip it and start with book 1?
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ASOIAF Book 1-3, Dunk and Egg novellas (A Knight of the 7 Kingdoms, The Sworn Sword, The Mystery Knight), Book 4-5, The Rogue Prince, The Princess and The Queen.

That's the chronological reading order I'd suggest. Definitely finish up to ASoS (Book 3) first to get the whole feel of the universe, its customs and language etc...
 
RDCR07 said:
Has anyone here read A Knight of the Seven Kingdoms? I heard its a prequel to this whole series. Since I havent started reading the books, should I start with this or just skip it and start with book 1?
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Don't read it before you read the main books. They are prequels (circa 100 years before the events of the books), but you won't understand much if you haven't read the books. It doesn't delve too much into the political and geographical-historical situation of Westeros, it just assumes that the reader is aware of it.

At the very least, you should read the first three books before you read Dunk and Egg novellas (and two Targaryan novellas).
 
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