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@MichaelKorleone

Jaime will survive and escape capture

Also, Dany insisting on Jon bending the knee has more to do with pride than anything else. As Renly once said, 'I dont intend to be King of a broken realm', she expects homage and the rule over all 7 Kingdoms, not 6. She also cant afford to help Jon without him swearing fealty to her, other lords will see her as weak to tolerate and aid a rebel in essence.
 
InfiniteBoredom said:
@MichaelKorleone

Jaime will survive and escape capture

Also, Dany insisting on Jon bending the knee has more to do with pride than anything else. As Renly once said, 'I dont intend to be King of a broken realm', she expects homage and the rule over all 7 Kingdoms, not 6. She also cant afford to help Jon without him swearing fealty to her, other lords will see her as weak to tolerate and aid a rebel in essence.
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Well, good for her. She may have got Jon but I doubt she'll get his Northern army, especially as everyone was opposed to him traveling to Dragonstone first of all. I'm not opening that spoiler though - if it has any answers I guess I'll get them after next episode airs :)
 
What's the verdict, then? The first half was poor. It'd be nice to go one episode without some ham-fisted mention of sex. 'Many things?! hehehe.' Bran is still horrendously bad at acting, Arya is now the greatest warrior Westeros has ever seen, and Littlefinger continues to have no real role other than to linger until he dies.

The battle was really well done, though. That's the show in it's element at this point, so I have few complaints there -- well shot, well choreographed, and the dragon was depicted well enough to cohesively fit the battle. Could this battle - assuming he lives - be the 4th?, 5th? time Jaime has a change of heart and becomes a redemptive character again? Otherwise he may well die, his role of simply being Cersei's left-hand man and lover is a bit useless at this point.
 
Finer points from last episode

  1. Looks like Jon bent the knee or something else.
  2. Golden company and the concept of sell swords make a belated entrance. Locked as bad as he was, no match for Vargo Hoat and brave companions. But if they use this as a tool to introduce fAegon/ Blackfyre faction, that will be stupid.
 
@InfiniteBoredom do the honourable thing and ban yourself from all GOT threads. If you've read all the leaks(and from what I gather, they've been spot on with the first 3 episodes at least) then everything you say about episodes that haven't aired yet is gonna spoil things for people.
 
fishfingers15 said:
Finer points from last episode
  1. Looks like Jon bent the knee or something else.
  2. Golden company and the concept of sell swords make a belated entrance. Locked as bad as he was, no match for Vargo Hoat and brave companions. But if they use this as a tool to introduce fAegon/ Blackfyre faction, that will be stupid.
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1. They would have showed Jon bending the knee if had done that.
2. Sell swords are already part of the show. Daario leds the Second Sons who were with Dany in Meeren.
 
harshad said:
1. They would have showed Jon bending the knee if had done that.
2. Sell swords are already part of the show. Daario leds the Second Sons who were with Dany in Meeren.
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Unless Jon has already bent the knee, I don't think Jon will be left in charge of Dragonstone. Remember Tyrion and Dany are both away. While not explicitly shown, surely implications point that way?

Agreed about the second sons in Mereen, but no sell swords in Westeros so far? Even the Brotherhood is a faith based militia it seems like.
 
Arbitrium said:
@InfiniteBoredom do the honourable thing and ban yourself from all GOT threads. If you've read all the leaks(and from what I gather, they've been spot on with the first 3 episodes at least) then everything you say about episodes that haven't aired yet is gonna spoil things for people.
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I have revealed nothing without it going into Spoilers. If people open them that's their business.
 
fishfingers15 said:
Unless Jon has already bent the knee, I don't think Jon will be left in charge of Dragonstone. Remember Tyrion and Dany are both away. While not explicitly shown, surely implications point that way?

Agreed about the second sons in Mereen, but no sell swords in Westeros so far? Even the Brotherhood is a faith based militia it seems like.
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Was he in charge of Dragon Stone? Must have missed that.
 
Arbitrium said:
Then why do you give a feck if you already know everything?
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Because there are still discussions to be had, plotholes to 'nitpick' and theories to explore?

The leak from Freefolk have been posted here for months and we have been having conversation about them in this thread with spoilers. If you feel so paranoid about it then maybe you are the one who should ban yourself from the thread.
 
Boredom is a twat who likes to think he's above everyone else and he'll happily the spoil the TV show to achieve that.
 
fishfingers15 said:
Finer points from last episode

  1. Looks like Jon bent the knee or something else.
  2. Golden company and the concept of sell swords make a belated entrance. Locked as bad as he was, no match for Vargo Hoat and brave companions. But if they use this as a tool to introduce fAegon/ Blackfyre faction, that will be stupid.
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I was thinking that this is one way to bring in Golden Company and still have them oppose Dany. Instead of Jon Connington and fAegon as their motivation, they'll fight against Dany due to Cersei's gold.
 
Arbitrium said:
@InfiniteBoredom do the honourable thing and ban yourself from all GOT threads. If you've read all the leaks(and from what I gather, they've been spot on with the first 3 episodes at least) then everything you say about episodes that haven't aired yet is gonna spoil things for people.
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Is this the e-equivalent of taking the black?
 
InfiniteBoredom said:
I have revealed nothing without it going into Spoilers. If people open them that's their business.
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Well you've just openly revealed that
Jaime isn't going to go on a redemptive arc. That'll impact how someone views his scenes, if they were anticipating/hoping for it to happen.

I don't care personally as I'll have forgotten it was ever posted in about ten mins, just pointing it out.
 
InfiniteBoredom said:
No.

I read/watched all the leaks already so it's really hard to say anymore than that.

As for the episode, essentially the same conclusion. I had a bit of a beef with logistics of the battle as usual but by show standards it was about as good as it'd ever be.
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Welsh Wonder said:
Well you've just openly revealed that
Jaime isn't going to go on a redemptive arc. That'll impact how someone views his scenes, if they were anticipating/hoping for it to happen.

I don't care personally as I'll have forgotten it was ever posted in about ten mins, just pointing it out.
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Yeah, I mean, I don't really care that much, partly because I didn't expect it to happen, but I understand why it can be quite jarring. My advice would probably be to those who have read the full spoilers to avoid posting about them? Zero-tolerance policy works better than half being ok and half not.
 
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fishfingers15 said:
Finer points from last episode

  1. Looks like Jon bent the knee or something else.
  2. Golden company and the concept of sell swords make a belated entrance. Locked as bad as he was, no match for Vargo Hoat and brave companions. But if they use this as a tool to introduce fAegon/ Blackfyre faction, that will be stupid.
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Jon didn't bend the knee.

Aegon is not getting introduced now. Jaime is Aegon of the books.
 
Welsh Wonder said:
Well you've just openly revealed that
Jaime isn't going to go on a redemptive arc. That'll impact how someone views his scenes, if they were anticipating/hoping for it to happen.

I don't care personally as I'll have forgotten it was ever posted in about ten mins, just pointing it out.
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If you've bothered to check the leaks, you'd know it isn't true. The answer/assertion revealed nothing
 
feck me, it looked absolutely amazing in 1080p, and Drogon for the first time looked terrifying.

Calling it now, Jaime is going to sacrifice himself to save either Daenerys or Jon (more likely Daenerys). Saving the daughter of the mad king as final act of redemption will suit Jaime's role so much.
 
Its the first time in show they've really shown just how powerful dragons are. In most fantasy literature etc.. with them they are just tools but GoT has rightly made it out that they are like having 3 bombers against an army of spears.

Interesting the infiniteboredom thoughts on Jaime as he openly looked as though he actually noticed the horrors of war for the first time (watching his men getting roasted.)
 
padr81 said:
Its the first time in show they've really shown just how powerful dragons are. In most fantasy literature etc.. with them they are just tools but GoT has rightly made it out that they are like having 3 bombers against an army of spears.

Interesting the infiniteboredom thoughts on Jaime as he openly looked as though he actually noticed the horrors of war for the first time (watching his men getting roasted.)
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Jaime is an interesting one. Made a post in quora about it today:

https://www.quora.com/Is-Jaime-craz...-grown-dragon-by-her-side/answer/Ismail-Elezi
 
harshad said:
Was he in charge of Dragon Stone? Must have missed that.
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Revan said:
Jon didn't bend the knee.

Aegon is not getting introduced now. Jaime is Aegon of the books.
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It looked like Jon Snow was in charge at Dragonstone. Tyrion and Danaerys wasn't there and didn't see Varys himself. Missandei was there, but Jon Snow received Theon and proceeded to berate him and tell him the Queen is not there. Sure does look like he is in charge of Dragonstone when Queen and her small council was away. Either he bent the knee or he married her.

Not sure how Jaime is the Aegon of books.

Moby said:
Didn't Davos hire them for Stannis before they went to The Wall, from the money borrowed from the Iron Bank.
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You are right about Ser Davos hiring some pirates to fight for Stannis. I don't remember what happened to them, but since Stannis is gone, I guess they are gone too :wenger::lol:
 
padr81 said:
Interesting the infiniteboredom thoughts on Jaime as he openly looked as though he actually noticed the horrors of war for the first time (watching his men getting roasted.)
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He watched Aerys roasting people for sports, PTSD seems to be more apt.

The apt response to 'oh feck Mad King's daughter is riding a huge lizard melting people flesh off their bones' isn't 'let's leave my sister and lover'.
 
One of the scenes with Drogon was reminiscent of the napalm scene in Apocalypse Now. But even better was the bit where Bronn is being chased by that Dothraki guy through the fire and bodies, and Drogon emerges from the black smoke over his shoulder with a stream of fire laying waste to everything in front of him.
 
Can anyone PM me how I could read Princess and the Queen and The Rogue Prince? Thanks
 
fishfingers15 said:
It looked like Jon Snow was in charge at Dragonstone. Tyrion and Danaerys wasn't there and didn't see Varys himself. Missandei was there, but Jon Snow received Theon and proceeded to berate him and tell him the Queen is not there. Sure does look like he is in charge of Dragonstone when Queen and her small council was away. Either he bent the knee or he married her.
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My interpretation was that him, Davos and Missandrei saw him and considering that Jon knows him, he was the first to speak. In addition, he is the only Westerosi (together with Davos) in that island. Daenerys' small council now contains only Tyrion (who was with her), Gray Worm (on the Rock), Missandrei and Varys (no idea where he was, but he never takes the lead in these cases).

fishfingers15 said:
Not sure how Jaime is the Aegon of books.
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DWelbz19 said:
In what sense?
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It has long been speculated, that before the War of Ice and Fire, there will be an another Dance of Dragons for the Iron Throne between Daenerys and Aegon. Next to Tyrells, Aegon has the biggest army in Westeros (Dorne + Golden Company) in addition to one of the top three commanders (JonCon is probably as good as Tarly and Stannis). If Tyrells declare for Daenerys in the book (because, why not), then we can expect Aegon to defeat them, before the clash with Daenerys. Well, in the show, Jaime defeated Tyrells and isolated Unsullied, making him Daenerys' primary antagonist. It has also been speculated that Dorne might kill a dragon (considering that they already have done it once), and Bronn' almost killed Drogon. And finally, people are convinced that Aegon is gonna get burned/eaten by Drogon, and that almost happened with Jaime today.

Jaime in the books probably will have a more minor role, if he survives Lady Stoneheart. Either join Brotherhood, or kill Cersei, but regardless, Lannisters aren't a big power by the end of sixth book, so a large scale between them and Daenerys isn't going to happen.

Obviously, it isn't a straightforward merge (like Euron/Vivtarion), but we can expect most of the fighting Jaime is doing, to be done by Aegon in the books.
 
InfiniteBoredom said:
He watched Aerys roasting people for sports, PTSD seems to be more apt.

The apt response to 'oh feck Mad King's daughter is riding a huge lizard melting people flesh off their bones' isn't 'let's leave my sister and lover'.
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Seems like PTSD comes only when its Targaryen's burning people and not sweet Cersei
 
harshad said:
Seems like PTSD comes only when its Targaryen's burning people and not sweet Cersei
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Well it did. In AFFC he was uneasy when witnessing Cersei burning the Tower of the Hand. Thought to himself that the ecstasy he saw on her face was the same as Aerys's.

It was one of the many things that put him off her really. Masterful writing.
 
@Revan ah right, yeah I see your point. In the same way Jorah essentially compensated for JonCon's plot in season five(?).
 
InfiniteBoredom said:
Well it did. In AFFC he was uneasy when witnessing Cersei burning the Tower of the Hand. Thought to himself that the ecstasy he saw on her face was the same as Aerys's.

It was one of the many things that put him off her really. Masterful writing.
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Thought you were talking about Show Jaime and not Book Jaime. For me both are vastly different characters.
 
Welsh Wonder said:
Well you've just openly revealed that
Jaime isn't going to go on a redemptive arc. That'll impact how someone views his scenes, if they were anticipating/hoping for it to happen.

I don't care personally as I'll have forgotten it was ever posted in about ten mins, just pointing it out.
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DWelbz19 said:
Yeah, I mean, I don't really care that much, partly because I didn't expect it to happen, but I understand why it can be quite jarring. My advice would probably be to those who have read the full spoilers to avoid posting about them? Zero-tolerance policy works better than half being ok and half not.
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I refer you good men to this thread of mine...

https://www.redcafe.net/threads/spoilers-dont-spoil-anything-adex-spoils-shows.405644/
 
harshad said:
Thought you were talking about Show Jaime and not Book Jaime. For me both are vastly different characters.
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Oh yeah I misunderstood then. Although to be exact, Baelor's Sept exploded rather than burned down :p, horrific no doubt but a quicker death than being slow cooked in your own armour.
 
harshad said:
I forget, but is Theon on Arya's list? If not, why not? He burned down Winterfell and at least in the Books as far as she knows, killed Bran and Rickon. Or am I forgetting something?
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Did she know it was Theon? I may do a re-read to find out but iirc she left the Hound and took ship to Braavos shortly after RW. News travel slowly and often confusing.

Her list is a bit arbitrary anyway, added Walder Frey but excluded Tywin even though she realized at Harrenhal when she made Jaqen do the killing that everything starts and ends with him.
 
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