Well, this is like, 'Oh this happened, perhaps the reason could be because of that'. The show should be doing 'This happened in episode X leading to Highgarden falling easily in Y'. Surely, Randyl Tarly siding with the Lannisters is hardly enough for that. To excuse this with the 'Highgarden was only known for it's beauty' is nonsensical. Perhaps you know it.
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Well, this is like, 'Oh this happened, perhaps the reason could be because of that'. The show should be doing 'This happened in episode X leading to Highgarden falling easily in Y'. Surely, Randyl Tarly siding with the Lannisters is hardly enough for that. To excuse this with the 'Highgarden was only known for it's beauty' is nonsensical. Perhaps you know it.
The show put it right out there that a number of the Tyrell bannermen were switching sides, we also know because they showed in an episode that the Tyrells were to sending an army towards Kings Landing, they showed us using the Tarley's as representation that the Tryells' were facing defections and they came straight out and told you the troops at the castle sucked. The show can't really hold your hand anymore than that.
Was not really that difficult a story line to follow.
Reminded now of the poster who, when Euron first showed up, complained that they had no idea who he was or why he was there, despite his entire first scene containing dialogue explaining who he was and actions that showed exactly why he was there.
Olenna Tyrell was born a Redwyne of The Arbor, the 2nd biggest fleet in Westeros behind the Ironborns.
Garland Tyrell's wife is a Hightower of Oldtown. He was also granted the Fossoway's lands and titles after Battle of Blackwater.
So effectively House Tyrell is guaranteed the allegiance of the four biggest houses in the Reach. And it's not equal. The Fossoways had at their disposal at the time of joining Stannis 2k swords, the host Renly left at Bitterbridge numbered around 70k. even with defections of the Stormland's foot it'd be about 50k at worst, with 10k still under Mace Tyrell's command at Highgarden at the time.
At short notice, the Tyrells can, at a minimum, raise a few thousands for a garrison within a forthnight or so, the time it'd take for the Lannister's host to march up the Rose Road or the King's Road. That's more men than necessary to hold out for half a year or more against 10k
Garland Tyrell's wife is a Hightower of Oldtown. He was also granted the Fossoway's lands and titles after Battle of Blackwater.
So effectively House Tyrell is guaranteed the allegiance of the four biggest houses in the Reach. And it's not equal. The Fossoways had at their disposal at the time of joining Stannis 2k swords, the host Renly left at Bitterbridge numbered around 70k. even with defections of the Stormland's foot it'd be about 50k at worst, with 10k still under Mace Tyrell's command at Highgarden at the time.
At short notice, the Tyrells can, at a minimum, raise a few thousands for a garrison within a forthnight or so, the time it'd take for the Lannister's host to march up the Rose Road or the King's Road. That's more men than necessary to hold out for half a year or more against 10k
It's messy. I'm not going to start a book/show war but it's clear that the show writers can't match up to GRRM. Rather than think of a reasonable way to get rid of the imbalance between the Lannisters vs Everyone Else Plus 3 Dragons they've just decided to have Daeny sit about for a couple of episodes doing nothing, have a bunch of ships turn up out of thin air to devastate half of her allies, and have an army lay siege to her other ally - all without Cersei losing anything of note.
*dusts off hands* Done! This war lark is easy! I felt just as annoyed when Stannis, a hardened veteran, had his army destroyed by Ramsey and 20 random blokes, and because he got impatient (which was funny considering he had spent the best part of three seasons moping in Dragonstone).
The reality is that Cersei should have been killed by now. The people of King's Landing would blame her for blowing up the Sept, she would have little army left and what she did have would have been destroyed.
Garlan Tyrell doesn't exit in the show. I'm not sure the Redwyne's were ever mentioned either. Plus, the strength of either of those houses haven't been mentioned either and the show could quite easily portray them as being weaker than in the books if they wished.
Indeed.
Aye, the 20 good men stuff was absolute nonsense. In regards to the general Daenerys/Cersei conflict I'm not sure how it'll go down in the books, and I dunno if you've read them, so I'll spoiler what's maybe more likely to happen...
With Aegon already advancing on Westeros it's been hinted that there'll be a second dance of dragons, meaning the main KL conflict we're seeing in the show might be between him and Daenerys instead of the Lannisters. I still expect the Lannisters to play a part in that conflict, but with Aegon cut they're now playing centre stage instead of playing a role.
I said in one of my reply in the other thread that I'd be willing to accept that all of the bannermen of House Tyrell defected, it still doesnt change the logistics though.
Westeros isn't a country. It's a huge fecking continent and the Reach is the Westerosi version of France. A host on foot even on relentless march cant reach Higharden from Casterly Rock or King's Landing (we have to assume Jaime starts from there, because he was seen banging Cersei earlier in the episode) within a few days. It'd take a couple of weeks at best, at a unforgiving pace, that leaves them too tired to even do battle for a few days. The fecking Nazis with relatively modern road and vehicle took about a week to reach Paris. That time is more than enough to gather a garrison and provision and send out ravens to Dany.
Well technically Stannis did not have his army directly destroyed by 20 good men. Instead those 20 good men set fire to supplies and shelter exposing the army to deprivation which led to it being is piss poor shape (coupled with the desertions caused by the lack of supplies and actions of stannis and the red witch). So his weakened army still made it to winterfell and then got wiped out by the Boltons and their allies.
Yeah, like I said it was also because he didn't want to wait for Winter to end. But having his supplies being decimated by 21 blokes sneaking into their encampment? Come on... pish!
It had to happen, though. I get that. And they have balance out the forces this season too. I just wish that they didn't rush through everything (7 episodes was a really, really monumentally stupid idea).
Would've almost been refreshing if she just swept in and took the city with ease in episode 2 or something, surprising everyone.
The contract extension for the cast cost HBO an arm and a leg, so that's a cost cutting exercise. (Dinklage, Headey, NCW, Clarke and Harrington receive 2.5m each per episode).
Part of the reason why Season 5 was so bloody awful is because they werent sure they'd get all the main cast to sign up again, hence the cramming of two books into one season.
Yeah raids by small groups of soldiers never work.
Would've almost been refreshing if she just swept in and took the city with ease in episode 2 or something, surprising everyone.
Dragons should have been hatched fully grown, she just hops on, rides them over to Westeros, burns every in Kings Landing or who refuses to follow her and takes over as Queen. Show over with no need for all these seasons.
It's not the problems he faces that I have an issue with - it's how quickly everything fell apart and his death. The destruction of his supplies, the weather changing bitterly just as he arrives, the loss of troops and his own conviction, the ambush at Winterfell. The war of attrition was a very clever way to make Stannis fail and I liked how they did those moments as they showed his desperation and the loss of his focus, but all of it is condensed into a few minutes of screen time and it was a waste of Stephen Dillane's talents . This show for me has had a real pacing problem this season and that Stannis moment in Season 5 was another example of that.
Just out of curiosity, is it worth it to read all the books even though I have never read any and just watched the shows? Is it worth it to read it even though I will know what happens now?
Depends how into it you are. If you're a massive fan then you'll enjoy the books - they diverge more as they go on. The first season and first book are close to identical, but they become more and more separate after that.
Cheesy mate, are you really suggesting that Cersei Lannister decided to marry off Joffrey Baratheon to Margaery Tyrell and form an alliance with the reach, with support from Freys at the Twins and Boltons in the north to rule the 7 kingdoms and now we say that the strength of the houses are in question? Isn't it easy to just get Randyll Tarly to defect who is easily controllable than Olenna Tyrell?
Are we saying that all bannermen of Tyrells decided to forego their allegiance to Tyrells even though Cersei Lannister who blew up the red keep, killed Mace Tyrell and Margaery Tyrell because of a speech about Dothraki even though the Targaryen queen has three live dragons? Even if all the bannermen of Tyrells somehow decided to switch their allegiance, the show decided to keep us in the dark about it, only showing a sidebar conversation with Jaime Lannister and Randyll Tarly about loyalty and fealty yet time was allocated to Ed Sheeran singing a song and Grey Worm going down on Missandei and we are like 'Ok yeah, that's what probably went down'?
Daenarys Targaryen had three allies when she landed in Westeros. We are told that Dorne is lost because Sand Snakes are dead and Ellaria Sand is now arrested. Well, it is not really that easy but ok, we run along with it. Asha/Yara Greyjoy runs away with a large part of Iron born ships, but then Euron builds new ships, ravages Iron born ships, then rocks up at Casterly Rock to shore up the Lannister army. Well, doesn't seem entirely believable, but ok, let's run along with it. Then, we have a single minute conversation with Tarly and Jaime Lannister and we don't even know what kind of defection happened within Tyrell bannermen and we are told that Highgarden has fallen to Lannisters seemingly with major portion of Lannister army intact and we are told that it's because Tyrells had roses as their sigil.
Ok. Meh. Let's move along.
@RDCR07 You really need to read the books man lol, the questions you are asking in the TV thread is making my blood boil 
@RDCR07 You really need to read the books man lol, the questions you are asking in the TV thread is making my blood boil
@fishfingers15 Let's also not forget the fact that Cersei remains untouched in KL despite blowing up Baelor's Sept. The bloody mob rioted because they had no bread and back in the Dance of Dragons stormed the Dragonpit and killed 5 fecking dragons but they will let this pass. Move along.
"Does she like it gentle, or rough, finger in the bum?" Is real good writing. Almost as good as the Dothraki warriors debating whether Daenerys had white pussy hair.
I don't mean to whine, but the show has done a poor job this season prioritizing things that are important and things that can slide. Yes, there are many type of viewers and show has to juggle battle fans, perverts, and tits but the plot has to be prioritized and which should be the basis with the others added on. With what was written, I think the episode was directed well, actors did their part and the presentation was nice but the writing has indeed been terrible.
Yeah, I agree. So far this season I think every episode has been decent-to-good, but there are some big flaws with writing and pacing. I think the biggest problem is somewhere between @Mr Pigeon's point on cutting corners they've boxed themselves into and the economic costs that @InfiniteBoredom mentions.
I read more than I write about GoT, but some of the TV thread arguments really get on my nerves.
The perfectly valid questions that @InfiniteBoredom asks are being retorted with "oh, but dragons and walking dead". There's a difference. The magic system is also bound by logic and reason - there are rules that govern them. Dragons can breathe fire only till a certain distance, they need to eat, they can be killed. White walkers have a story, we may not know it yet, but they have their own rules and limits and powers. The Night King can raise only the dead, his kind can be killed by dragonglass, they can walk through some fire. The rules of the magic system, as Brandon Sanderson puts it, can be used in the stories because they have been explained well to the reader.
Glaringly impossible time-jumps, inconsistency in political mechanics (the mob not turning on Cersei, the plot-armor given to Jaime by fecking around with established strengths of the army, Euron apparating and disapparating out of places with his entire fleet without even an excuse like a magical fog) and poor writing cannot be justified by the argument 'It's fantasy, anything goes.' No, even fantasy stories abide by rules which make the plot challenging and interesting and the show is clearly fecking around with that.
The show has fallen off the cliff since they ran out of books.
The perfectly valid questions that @InfiniteBoredom asks are being retorted with "oh, but dragons and walking dead". There's a difference. The magic system is also bound by logic and reason - there are rules that govern them. Dragons can breathe fire only till a certain distance, they need to eat, they can be killed. White walkers have a story, we may not know it yet, but they have their own rules and limits and powers. The Night King can raise only the dead, his kind can be killed by dragonglass, they can walk through some fire. The rules of the magic system, as Brandon Sanderson puts it, can be used in the stories because they have been explained well to the reader.
Glaringly impossible time-jumps, inconsistency in political mechanics (the mob not turning on Cersei, the plot-armor given to Jaime by fecking around with established strengths of the army, Euron apparating and disapparating out of places with his entire fleet without even an excuse like a magical fog) and poor writing cannot be justified by the argument 'It's fantasy, anything goes.' No, even fantasy stories abide by rules which make the plot challenging and interesting and the show is clearly fecking around with that.
The show has fallen off the cliff since they ran out of books.
Liked:
- Jaime: definitely the MVP of the episode. He totally owned Tyrion.
- Tyrion: always claimed that he was the smartest of Lannisters, but he has been an idiot this season, and both his plans are totally destroyed with all three Targaryan allies being defeated and the Unsullied being in a bad position.
- However, he has given Daenerys the only ally that will matter in the endgame.
- Speaking about it, I liked the chemistry between Jon and Daenerys, thought that it has been done well.
- Lady Olenna telling Jaime that she killed Joffrey was awesome. Jaime is officially the most tragic character in the show and even when he does the right things, people shit on him.
- Second Stark union, I guess that Arya will reach Winterfell next episode.
- Short cameos of Mel and Bronn, hey, they're still there.
- Cersei vs the hot Sand snake and her 'momma'. Headley has been doing a fantastic job since she has gone full evil.
Disliked:
- Braavosi bank financing slavers. Are you mad?
- Hey sis', I have seen everything, so lets talk on details about how Ramsey raped you.
- Bran, by far the worst actor in the show.
- Insta-travelling, but I have got used to it. We could think that a month or two have happened between the second and third episode.
All in all, an episode with a lot of defects but still liked it a lot, and I am greatly enjoying the show.
- Jaime: definitely the MVP of the episode. He totally owned Tyrion.
- Tyrion: always claimed that he was the smartest of Lannisters, but he has been an idiot this season, and both his plans are totally destroyed with all three Targaryan allies being defeated and the Unsullied being in a bad position.
- However, he has given Daenerys the only ally that will matter in the endgame.
- Speaking about it, I liked the chemistry between Jon and Daenerys, thought that it has been done well.
- Lady Olenna telling Jaime that she killed Joffrey was awesome. Jaime is officially the most tragic character in the show and even when he does the right things, people shit on him.
- Second Stark union, I guess that Arya will reach Winterfell next episode.
- Short cameos of Mel and Bronn, hey, they're still there.
- Cersei vs the hot Sand snake and her 'momma'. Headley has been doing a fantastic job since she has gone full evil.
Disliked:
- Braavosi bank financing slavers. Are you mad?
- Hey sis', I have seen everything, so lets talk on details about how Ramsey raped you.
- Bran, by far the worst actor in the show.
- Insta-travelling, but I have got used to it. We could think that a month or two have happened between the second and third episode.
All in all, an episode with a lot of defects but still liked it a lot, and I am greatly enjoying the show.
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I had not even considered Euron having time to come to Kings Landing twice, once to promise a gift and second to ask if Cersei would like a finger up the bum.
Loved that scene. Almost made up for the farce of the Dornish plot to date.
Agree that poor writing can't be dismissed simply because it happens to be be fantasy rather than some other genre. The internal logic should still hold up regardless.
However, I think the time jumps are entirely reasonable from the writers' point of view as actually synching the timelines properly would make the show completely unworkable. That's not an issue with the writing so much as an example of the limitations of the medium, I think.
In the books the Tyrells can still rely on willas and garlan both are wiser then their father and idiotic little brother. Also tarly is mace most loyal servant + the rose has blood ties to the hightowers, the redwynes + garlan has brightswater keep. If the rose sneeze the lannister will get hurt
Well if they need to wait untill GRRM finishes the books, I guess we will be seeing the end of the series in about 10 years time. I'am applauding the showmakers for the fact they are delivering a fantastic season of GOT every year and I'am very glad they are carring on from where the books have dropped off because I want to see this great series have a great ending and not wait for it for 10 years.
The limitations of the tv show are far bigger than in the books. They can not handle 20 different storylines over 3 different continents with nearly a 100 characters involved the way GRRM has written his books. First of all it is already hard enough for people who are not GOT nerds to still keep up with everything that is going on in the show. If the tv makers would have to touch upon every narrative, explain everything about all that happens in that universe, it is simply impossible to do that in a tv-show unless they would be airing 25 episodes a season or would start making the episodes 2 or 3 hours long. That is simply not doable from an economic perspective knowing how high the production costs would be to do that. The showmakers simply have to cut stuff and they have to start wrapping up certain storylines. That is never an easy job to do because everything always has some purpose. Take for instance Cersei's storyline with the sparrows and the tyrell's, it had to end and they did that wonderfully with blowing up the sept. Now in the books GRRM might handle it all in a very different way and you are right if Cersei blows up the sept there should be some backlash from the people but this all doesn't serve the overlying story arc of where the series is trying to get to which is its conclusion. The point of it all was that the Tyrell's had served their purpose and their story arc needed to end and we needed to get a new big villain which is Cersei sitting on the throne like a mad queen. The story is now focussed on Danny versus Cersei who will play the game of thrones to see who will rule westeros with Jon Snow and the army of the dead looming over it all like a bigh threat. There is simply no room anymore to have Cersei deal with political intrigue in KL, we had plenty of that in previous seasons now the battle for the iron throne has begun and the battle for the dawn will no doubt soon follow to wrap everything up and give and ending to the show.
The showmakers have not made glaringly impossible time-jumps as far as I can recall. It also isn't an obligation to tell the story in a consistent timeline where scene 2 must have happened after scene 1 and time is supposed to go equally fast in every scene. Scenes could happen in parallel, where we are seeing scene 2 after scene 1 but in the timeline of the story they are really happening at the same time or even scene 2 could have happened before scene 1 but the showmakers are decing to show us scene 1 first because it fits better in their narration of the story. Also you can have scenes that have a long screen time but a short duration on the timeline of the story and vice versa.
The showmakers have not made any political inconsistencies they have just decided not to include it as a principal element in their story for this season. We are left guessing what the people in KL feel and think about Cersei. Maybay they have been lied to and nobody knows she blew up the sept, maybay they are all scarred of Cersei who is ruling with an iron fist and the people are too scarred to riot and protest. Maybay there even are riots and struggles Cersei is having to deal with but we aren't being showed any of it on the screen. Why are we left guessing ? Simply because it isn't important anymore for where the story is at this point and hence the showmakers decided not to touch upon the issue.
The showmakers did not nescesarrily feck around with the established strenghts of armies simply because we don't know which army fought against which army. We have seen the lannisters march their principal strenghts out of Casterly rock to highgarden and we know they had support from House Tarly who betrayed the Tyrell's. Now what we don't know is if it was only Tarly or if there were also other lords that defected or for which reason. We know Tarly did it because his house would become the major house in the reach and he would become warden of the south. Other lords might have defected together with him for various reasons. Maybay they wanted to follow a strong male leader like Randyl over an old woman like Olenna or maybay they just didn't want to be on the side that had foreign invaders like Dhotraki and Unsullied or they were seeing the Tyrell's as on the losing side. If various other lords betrayed the Tyrell's next to Tarly the switch in military strenght can be explained. It might also be that the ones that betrayed the Tyrell's didn't actually join the army or picked up arms against highgarden but simply refused to come to the Tyrell's aid. The showmakers also made it clear that the attack was a surprise attack that Olenna didn't see coming, which means there was probably also little time to prepare for it and call all the banners which you know isn't instantanious but takes quite a long time. Loras Tyrell mentioned somewhere in the books that Tyrell can muster a couple of tousand men in 24 hours at higharden and a force of about 50k in a month. Obviously they wouldn't have had a month's time to muster their entire strenght and with several houses deciding to camp with Tarly, the strenght mustered to defended higharden might have only been a couple of thousand strong. Especially because Olenna didn't see the attack coming and she also isn't a great military strategist and here best military adviser (Tarly) was actually marching against here. So again this is pretty simple to think about how this could have happened and there can be numerous plausible answers but we are left guessing because it isn't important for the story at this point in the show. What is important is that the Tyrell army is defeated, Danny lost an important ally and with the death of Olenna the Tyrell's Arc is finished just like the Dorne Arc is finished and the face of betrayal for the Tyrell's is Randyl Tarly which is the only house of the reach we know of in the show. They aren't going to go into great depths that maybay house Hightower or house Redwyne or house Florent might have betrayed the Tyrell's because we simply haven't been introduced to these houses in the show and to be fair there is no point in doing so. They could make a bunch of content to explain what happened and how it happened, proably enough to even fill a couple of episodes or even dedicate a whole season to it but there simply is no point in doing so for the sake of the story and there is also no budget for it at HBO.
It is the same with Euron and how he has surprised both the ironfleet and the Unsullied fleet. First of all Euron is a great pirate and the best naval commander in the realm so it makes sense he can surprise and defeat fleets which do not have a great naval commander. There is also speculation (spoiler alert) that Euron might actually have some magical powers like stormcalling (maybay from the warlocks or something). Remember his dialogue with Balon, where Balon says what kind of ironborn lets himself be surprised by a storm and Euron says, brother, I'am the storm. Both times when we see the fleet it also looks like it is envelopped in a thick mist from a storm which can explain why he was able to surprise both the ironfleet and the unsullied and it might explain why Euron is such a threat at sea. But this is all speculation and fantasy, why is the show not touching upon these details, for the same reason again because it isn't vital enough for the story they are trying to tell.
The showmakers have clearly decided to spend alot of time on explaining the things that are essiential for us to understand and to develop and build up the characters that are essential but to cut out as many non essential stuff as they can.
I heard the same complaints from Tolkien fanatics that the lord of the rings movies didn't do the books justice because they ignored so much content and offered little explanation for all things that were going on but the fact is that is just impossible to do all that in a 3-hour movie. The fact is those movies where brilliant and formed a great adaptation on the books (which are also great). Many new people learned about the fantasy universe of middle earth because of the movies and not the books and many fans started to read the books because they really liked the movies. This is exactly the same with game of thrones and the books of a song of ice and fire. Both are great but it is the tv-show that made it popular culture and it is the show that made people start to read the books. GOT is great and the showmakers have done a brilliant job with it and the episode queen's justice is very good and I find the critique you and others are giving it very unjustified.
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I just can't understand the gripes people have with the pace of the show.
How many pages of the book can you read in an hour?
How many pages of the book can you read in an hour?
Excellent post that
Fantastic post!
Agree. It's still enjoyable. But the instant time-jumps show such a shocking lack of planning.
Yeah I would go for it if you're interested. I read all the books after season 5 of the show. Almost finished my second read through them right now. I think they're a hundred times better than the show at this point, but the show mostly did a great job adapting the material for the first four seasons. Just be prepared, especially after the first three books, for a lot of characters and plots that never made it to the show. It can be a bit weird reading through the first three books when you already know most of the main characters from TV, and then suddenly you begin to be introduced to some really important characters who were dropped by the show. The show diverged from the last two books (4 and 5) massively, so there's lots of surprises in store there.
I actually thought of typing up a reasonable response but the snarky ending of 'show made book popular, so deal with it' sort of ruined it for me.
Absolutely do it. I finished season 4 of the show and had never read the books. Took the plunge and it's so worth it, flew through the books.
It's brilliant going deeper into the storylines that made you love the show and seeing the little or big differences.
Plus there are loads of plots that aren't touched by the show. The vast majority are great, couple of stinkers though.
Most of your post is basically reverse reasoning (Z happened maybe because of X and Y), instead of how a good story should be told (X happened, Y happened, Z happened and we can see it's because of X and Y). You and most show defenders are basically trying to rationalise every idiocy from D&D from the premis that 'there must be a reason', and it gets increasingly far-fetched and more often than not require suspension of disbelief. What if there isn't? What if it's just poor writing? Occam's Razor
As for these two paragraphs,
They don't have to wait for Martin to finish the books. They have been given an outline of how the story would end, it's their job to bring it to the screen in a satisfactory manner that do justice to the spirit of the books, and as it is they are bungling it. And the lack of source material is a flimsy excuse because the rot started when they still had two books to work with, and made the worst season in the show. Instead of playing out the intrigues, they opted to go for the usual Hollywood fares of senseless nudity and CGI dragons. Everyone have enough sense to accept the decline in quality of dialogue, but we cant eat the excrement called plot they are serving up without calling it out.
The last point, are you kidding me? ASOIAF was a best seller long long before the TV show was made, for a start. Secondly, LoTR were 10 times more faithful to the source material, at least in spirit, than GoT s5 onwards. The cuts/changes from films were minor details like Tom Bombadil, Prince of Dol Amroth, condensation of Aragorn's trip with the Dead, Eomer being exiled etc... It has little bearing on the overarching story, done for cinematic purpose and as a whole it makes sense. Peter Jackson managed to do that in 8 hours of film so with 10 times the screen time D&D should come up with better than ships appearing out of nowhere, armies teleporting. No one forced them to prolonged Gwen Christie arc and no one forced them to butcher Dorne with more than 40 minutes of screen time. No one made them do a 2 minutes montage of Samwell scraping shit and 5 min of dickless eunuch 'making love' with Dany's handmaid. Poor time allocation is a pacing issue, not limitation of the medium.
What we ask for is a faithful adaptation of the story that does justice to its overarching themes, not a complete, minutiate copy of the source material. They don't do that, because they don't give a shit. You know why I know? Faced with outcry from the reppeated 'rape scenes' in S05 (Cersei, Sansa), here is what Benioff said, ' You know, the beauty of having more than 400 scripted shows on television is that if you dont like ours, you dont have to watch'. Yes, we do it how we want so go feck yourself if you disagree.