Dany left most the Dothraki in Essos if I'm not mistaken.
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Dany left most the Dothraki in Essos if I'm not mistaken.
She did? Why?
I am pretty sure I heard them mention the Dothraki going with the Unsullied to Casterley Rock, though I could be mistaken.
How they get there at this point is unknown. Perhaps enough of the fleet remains to at least get them off Dragonstone and onto the mainland, and they march from there? Perhaps that was only part of the Theon's and Yara's fleet that got smashed up by Euron, the rest was elsewhere taking the Unsullied and Dothraki to Fraggle Rock. Just a couple of guesses.
Nah, they say nothing of them. Tyrion only says "The Unsullied will have a different objective...Grey Worm and the Unsullied will sail for the Rock and take it."
All possible. Though in the end I am not convinced the "winner" of all this will be the humans. GRRM has been noted as a big anti-war person and perhaps he will have the leaders of Westeros being so pre-occupied with each other and sitting on that damn Iron Throne, they they do not band together as Jon would like and the White Walker army ends up wiping them all out. Not bittersweet, but would certainly show the pointlessness of all the wars they have been fighting.
Yup just watched the scene again, just the unsullied to Fraggle Rock. My bad.
Of course someone has to stay and guard Dragonstone also.
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Because the show is cheap. I may be wrong on this but I thought she left them behind with the merc's to police Mereen (in the show obviously). At least thats what I thought but rewatching the episode I believe Jaime mentions them to Randyll Tarly so atm I have no clue.
I think at least some have come with her
In one of the trailers for Season 7 they clearly show Dothraki involved in battle, I am going to just guess that it is not taking place back at Mereen. Though they may get brought to Westeros later, but by whom would be the question then since Dany lost at least a sizeable portion of her fleet
Somehow I don't see the Dothraki as a police force in Meereen.
Me neither but I didn't see Daario as a clever choice to run the place. Maybe it was just the second sons they left behind.
You're mistaken.
We haven't seen them yet but there have been reference to them being with Dany. The whole don't attack with a horde of Dothraki strategy.
Not sure about Dany being Nissa Nissa, but the other way is possible, with Dany killing Jon Snow to forge the Lightbringer
I called Jon Azor Ahai, and Daenerys 'The Price who was Promised' before it was cool. While it was hinted that the character is one and the same, I think that both will play their part (as Mel said).
Do not think that Danny is Nissa Nissa though, or that Jon will kill Danny (or vice versa) to forge a sword, but I think that both of them will fall in the last battle. It is their story, and the story will end with their death.
Do not think that Danny is Nissa Nissa though, or that Jon will kill Danny (or vice versa) to forge a sword, but I think that both of them will fall in the last battle. It is their story, and the story will end with their death.
The sword has got to be a metaphor for something. Or at least the fire bit. I can't imagine Jon slashing WWers with a literal flaming sword. Just silly.
Could sword be one of the dragon?
Calling it here: Jon going into a suicide mission to give Daenerys and Drogon an opening.
Euron was alright this episode, I thought. His craziness combined with Victarion's fighting skills (always imagined Victarion the better warrior), and considering that he killed the two puff girls, I can give him a pass whatever he does in the next episodes.
That was a good episode
And Nathalie Emmanuel's boobs 
Tyrion- the Westerosi lords will all unite based on xenophobia if we use the Unsullied and Dothraki- lets use the Dornish instead!
Hmmm I think the writers are glossing over generations of hatred of the Rhoynish here..
Hmmm I think the writers are glossing over generations of hatred of the Rhoynish here..
And Nathalie Emmanuel's boobs
One was lower than the other, and to tell you the truth, that put me off not one bit, she was spectacular or her body double was.
For all those who aren't scared from spoilers, in the link within the spoiler tag, you can find what is going to happen in the following episodes. I had already read a few months ago it, and all the spoilers with regard to the first two episodes have come true.
So, similar to 'who knew Darth Vader's identity', let's play 'who knows Jon's parentage'.
- Bran: confirmed
- Howland Reed: certainly
- Benjen Stark: extremely probable
- Littlefinger: very likely
- Varys: likely
- Stannis: possible but unlikely
- Citadel: unlikely
Any other suspects?
- Bran: confirmed
- Howland Reed: certainly
- Benjen Stark: extremely probable
- Littlefinger: very likely
- Varys: likely
- Stannis: possible but unlikely
- Citadel: unlikely
Any other suspects?
The enmity was chiefly with Highgarden, which they are now marching alongside. That part is at least believable enough, and sounds like sth Book Tyrion would devise. Starve out Cerseif in K's L and cut off her supplies of men and gold from the West. Granted, the part about 'the lords of Westeros;' is still a bit contrived. They know about Aegon and his dragons, they know about the Field of Fire. Daenerys has that and more, she has the power of Sunspear and Highgarden behind her, it'd take quite a bunch of fools to side with Cersei Lannister over her, Mad King daughter or not.
IMO, Rhoyne is a nonfactor. All the Rhoynish for all intents and purposes are the Martells now and they've ruled over Dorne for centuries. Just the Dornish now. There is a lot of needless nitpicking like 'Will it really pain Jorah the Andal if his scabs are removed', but seems like there are a few posters who just claim 'Don't watch it if you don't like it'.
Many Lords sided with Daemon Blackfyre in part based on the increasing Dornish influence in Kings Landing. The dislike of Dornishmen is not just the Tyrells.
Dorne are a different race and culturally dissimilar to the Andals. It strips away the depth of the world when it's not an issue. I get that it's a tv show and the writers aren't even that bothered anymore so getting lore consistency is a big ask..
I should say the Rhoynish are a different race, there are Andal Dornish who also have a rivalry with the Martells.
In the books it would be highly likely that if there was a Sand Snake takeover of Dorne those houses would rebel.
In the books it would be highly likely that if there was a Sand Snake takeover of Dorne those houses would rebel.
I don't disagree, but it should be pointed out that it was a hundred years ago and while I'm sure there is no great love between Dorne and the Vale or the Rocks or the Riverlands, it's not enough for them to face dragonfire, when even Highgarden is with them.
Also, Dorne fought as Targaryen loyalists during Robert's Rebellion. As different culturally as they are, they can hardly be equated to screaming dothrakis or slave eunuchs.
Anyone noticed that Jorah was full of greyscale except on his sword arm?
Does he own a valyrian steel sword? I'm not deep enough into all this but the origin of valyrian steel hasn't been confirmed right? No one knows how to produce it anymore so there's speculation about a connection to dragon glass.
So with the dragon glass on dragon stone possibly being helpful in healing Stannis daughter could that be a connection?
Dragon glass -> Valyrian steel -> containing/healing greyscale?
Or am I way off?
Does he own a valyrian steel sword? I'm not deep enough into all this but the origin of valyrian steel hasn't been confirmed right? No one knows how to produce it anymore so there's speculation about a connection to dragon glass.
So with the dragon glass on dragon stone possibly being helpful in healing Stannis daughter could that be a connection?
Dragon glass -> Valyrian steel -> containing/healing greyscale?
Or am I way off?
Nah, the Mormont's ancestral Valyrian sword is Longclaw, which he left behind when he went into exile and the Old Bear gave to Jon.Anyone noticed that Jorah was full of greyscale except on his sword arm?
Does he own a valyrian steel sword? I'm not deep enough into all this but the origin of valyrian steel hasn't been confirmed right? No one knows how to produce it anymore so there's speculation about a connection to dragon glass.
So with the dragon glass on dragon stone possibly being helpful in healing Stannis daughter could that be a connection?
Dragon glass -> Valyrian steel -> containing/healing greyscale?
Or am I way off?
You are right to state that Dorne has many proud houses like Yronwood, Dayne etc, but Martells have been the rulers of Dorne. Rhoynar and Princess Nymeria perhaps are the biggest reasons on why Martells are the rulers of Dorne. It is also true that Dorne is different from Westeros and they have their own culture and practices, but Cersei's biggest force is Iron Islanders who are hated as much if not more than Dornish. At least, there were conquests, alliances between King's Landing and Dorne.
Although I'm pretty sure that GRRM/ASOFAI are going down the LoTR route of one cure for everything. Anything happened in the middle earth, fetch some athellas/kings foil and you live for thousand years. Same with Dragonglass here
Martin never said it outright but I suspect the prime motivations those Houses who hate Dorne is their exercise of equal primogeny. It'd be quite hard for those lordly lords and their male heirs to swallow if that becomes the law of Westeros, and suddenly they have to contend with claims from their married away female siblings.
Andals didn't like Targs because of their incest, but even Targs never liked the Dornish much. I'm sure it is a reason, but that would be pure speculation on our part.
Yeah but a Dornish siege to put the mad king's daugher on the throne would still likely rustle up loyalty to the crown. Anyway, it's a nitpicky point to speak about wider truth that the show lacks a level of attention to detail we saw when it was closely tracking the novels compared to the free-wheeling series.
Targs never liked the Dornish because even Aegon couldnt conquer the damn place, and the Young Dragon lost 50 thousands men there (and his life). As for Targ's incest, it was big enough of an issue for the rebellion of the Stars and Swords, which ended Maegor the Cruel's reign.
Yeah, it's speculation, but there are scant sufficient reason otherwise. If we talk about blood, the Starks and their northmen is actually more racially different from the rest of Westeros, they are viewed with some suspicions but never hated that much.
Ah well it was an awesome theory anyway.
I'd agree with you, but the throne doesn't have a leader who can unite the kingdoms too. Bannermen in the Reach will go the way of HighGarden, Vale of Arryn has declared for the North, Riverlands and Twins in turmoil because Freys are all done, a live king in the north and Dragonstone occupied by a Targ. Overall though, I agree to your larger point of added intrigue.
So I read this in entirety. Not Surprised about the rest but for the suggested ending of the season. Kind of makes sense though
Has anyone on here read the series more than once? Considering doing that, maybe by the time I'm done Martin would have pulled his finger out his ass.