They agreed on alliance already in the last season I seem to remember, no?
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They agreed on alliance already in the last season I seem to remember, no?
More talking about the books (it is too hard to separate the universes at times), but you're right, Olenna and Ellarya (or whatever she is called) made an alliance last season.
I can't even remember the last two books anymore, are people forgetting how shite they were? The writer's really had a difficult task bringing them to the screen and making it as good as the earlier seasons, so I can more than understand all the divulges and decisions they made throughout, many of them didn't work, but we did still get some absolutely spectacular TV (Hardhome, Hold the Door, Battle of the Bastards, Winds of Winter) that we otherwise wouldn't have. Which is why I find the constant criticism of what the show's done differently and changed and "butchered" and bla bla so tiresome. Just enjoy the fecking show, half of you gimps were saying you weren't even going to watch it anymore over it passed the books!
Battle of the Bastards was one of the worst things in television history. God, don't remind me of that utterly stupid pile of shit.
I know, it had ausum horse battles...
I know, it had ausum horse battles...
Not really impressed with that opening episode. It opened with what felt more like an episode closing (rather than opening) scene at the Twins. Euron Greyjoy is portrayed as some sort of emo Jack Sparrow. Bunch of scenes that seem pretty meaningless and just fillers. Almost no plot progression apart from Sam's discovery.
And once again people don't know what a "filler episode" is.
A fine set up for what will happen this season.
A fine set up for what will happen this season.
Can we assume that the show just confirmed that the Grave Digger in the books is the Hound?
Because he... dug a grave?
It was confirmed for a long time, to be fair. But you're right, I think it was like an Easter Egg for book readers.
Really? It was fine. Sure, Jon was a bit of an idiot, but that was the entire point. He isn't Robb when it comes to commanding armies, and he fights more with his heart (and is really good at it) rather than with his head.
The show is excellent (bar the fifth season which for most part was bad), but they've made Euron an another Joffrey/Ramsey while he was supposed to be a different type of evil. I mean, he doesn't give the impression of a terrifying person at all.
Are you still not added back to the TV thread?
What is that? Don't say to me that there exists an another GoT thread.Are you still not added back to the TV thread?
Waa? speak for yourself about the books. Once you get used to the back and forth, 4 and 5 are super awesome to read. I assume the complaint here is about the back and forth in books 4 and 5?
I have no complaints against the show and it is spectacular TV. But there are genuine issues with characters left out and inconsistent time lag between events in the show. Those are valid complaints and not just 'bla bla bla'.
Not only dumbass Jon. Sansa withholding the small detail of several thousand armed riders available for the Starks' side. Rickon Stark running in a straight line. Ramsay "Archer" Bolton being superhuman once more. That idiotic growing pile of bodies - did the dead all crawl on top of each other while dying? After dying?! They really stretched the amount of stupid you can cram into 45 minutes here.
1) Did the Hound met those 2 people before? Were they the inkeeper and his daughter that they met in the fourth season, or just two random people?
2) 'Shall we begin?' - I thought it was nice. Both in the aspect, shall we begin the war, and 'haha, you cnuts waited 6 years for this moment, so shall we begin?'.
2) 'Shall we begin?' - I thought it was nice. Both in the aspect, shall we begin the war, and 'haha, you cnuts waited 6 years for this moment, so shall we begin?'.
For a show with only 13 more episodes, I thought they'd put more time into actual plot/character development but the episode had Ed Sheeran. Initially, I thought some ginger guy was singing and it was a crude joke on Sheeran, but it turns out that he was himself
Sansa didn't totally trust Jon (she still doesn't). It was clear that she doesn't think that Jon is very intelligent (same about her father and Robb), so she didn't give him those details. Totally fine.
Rickon was a terrified kid, who was probably tortured and was escaping from people who were throwing arrows at him.
Ramsey Bolton wasn't superhuman at all. Jon beat his arse easily in one on one. He shot a good arrow though, but where is the deal. Blackfish and Bronn did more impressive things with arrows.
I give you the growing pile of bodies though.
Would have made any difference if it wasn't some random guy instead of him?
Things that happened in this episode:
- Arya exterminating Freys.
- Euron and Cersei making an alliance.
- Tensions between Jon and Sansa.
- Bran reaching the wall.
- Sam finding a large amount of dragonstone.
- Daenerys reaching Dragonstone.
What did people expect? It is the first episode after more than a year, did people expect Daenerys to go and kill everyone before fecking Jon. Guys, that is the last episode of the show.
Daenerys reaching Dragonstone and Arya exterminating Freys is a carryover from the last episode, so considering them as separate plot development is a bit of a stretch. Even Bran reaching the wall was more or less guaranteed. But I'll agree on others. Actually, reading my post again it's harsh. It was a decent enough episode.
Sansa withholding that information is only fine if she wanted everyone to die and herself recaptured by Ramsay. She didn't even know there would be anyone left alive to save when they arrived, seeing how her and Jon's forces were outnumbered and badly equipped. It doesn't make any sense whatsoever, barring a secret crush on Ramsay and her longingly thinking back of the daily rape.
Rickon is excused his stupidity, but Jon could easily have shouted at him to just... stop. Or step two feet to one side. That whole death-by-impossible-accuracy thing was just supposed to make Ramsay more hateable, as if he needed that, bloody hell. After already dismantling Stannis' army with only the help of Ser Twenty Goodmen*, Ramsay really didn't need more unrealistic feats of evulz to establish him as foe and generally bad guy.
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in case you don't get that reference: it's a joke about Ramsay telling Roose Bolton he only needed twenty good men to destroy Stannis' army. The good people of the internet evolved that unrealistic bullshit to Ser Twenty of house Goodmen, capable of single handedly destroying one of Westeros' most experienced commanders.
He'll probably die of old age before finishing the story...how old is he now?
Old enough to be worried. Have you seen the state of him though? I doubt he'd be dying of old age, of all things.
68 if I am not mistaken, so not that old.
More and more I get the impression that the entire story is just a secondary vehicle to allow some one liners and various scenes of CGI/tits/violence to "blow you away".
Like how they used five minutes to set up Dany's one liner. When the same information could've been delivered via some random dude telling Cersei that they have landed at DS. Or how they spent 10 minutes with the hound to really rub (I use that word, because we already knew that long ago) in our faces that he's not such a bad guy after all.
On the other hand I don't get the hate for Arya's last scene showing her that there are plenty of innocent people on either side and seeing how she deals with that (especially if she ends up killing them anyway) has some value. Then again I don't know or care about Ed Sheeran and only realized they put a special cameo into it once I read the caf.
Like how they used five minutes to set up Dany's one liner. When the same information could've been delivered via some random dude telling Cersei that they have landed at DS. Or how they spent 10 minutes with the hound to really rub (I use that word, because we already knew that long ago) in our faces that he's not such a bad guy after all.
On the other hand I don't get the hate for Arya's last scene showing her that there are plenty of innocent people on either side and seeing how she deals with that (especially if she ends up killing them anyway) has some value. Then again I don't know or care about Ed Sheeran and only realized they put a special cameo into it once I read the caf.
As I see it, Jon Snow, Dany and Tyrion will eventually unite the North into one big happy Northern family...
Still, Daenerys reaching the place where she was born is one of the top moments of the show. She is one of the two protagonists, and for 6 years the events have been building towards this, so it needed an episode just for that.
I doubt that anyone expected Arya to exterminate all the Freys.
Yeah. Ramsey defeating Stannis was a lot of bullshit.
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I thought that Dany and Jon will die in the last battle, and was a big fan of Sansa + Aegon as Q & K, but with Aegon being cut from the show that makes the theory impossible. Which probably raises the chances of Dany and Jon surviving, someone has to rule in the end.
So why exactly did the Lannisters and Euron let Dany just take Dragonstone? Euron even had to pass it to get to King's Landing and again to leave. And they knew she would go there. And she would arrive after crossing over from Essos which in this age would have meant that her army would have been exhausted and not in a good state in general, many ships would have needed repair etc (books actually made a good point about that).
But they still just let her take the castle Stannis used for his invasion that was only stopped by wildfire and the Rohirim?
Arya stuff was strange again. Arya just impersonated (without ever meeting them or having any clue of how to do their jobs) all the Freys she killed in the S6 finale and no one noticed anything because reasons?
But they still just let her take the castle Stannis used for his invasion that was only stopped by wildfire and the Rohirim?
Arya stuff was strange again. Arya just impersonated (without ever meeting them or having any clue of how to do their jobs) all the Freys she killed in the S6 finale and no one noticed anything because reasons?
Because Daenerys has a far bigger army than all of them combined, not to mention 3 dragons. Not sure that a direct battle with Danny is their best bet to winning this. I mean, dragons alone should be able to defeat any army.
She has a 30 second speech to be fair.
I think that's just a consequence of the show not having enough time to fill all the gaps. If they had we would probably see Arya stalking her prey for a while.
It's not like letting Dany (re-)gain strength and forge alliances (Dorne, the north for example) is going to do them any favours though. When we assume that everyone knos what is going on then you either confront Dany at her weakest point with the bestestest armada evur or you accept that you have no chance and bend the knee.
I hope we get to see some cool anti-dragon weaponry. Because if its not there, whats even the point in going to a battle with an opponent who has Dragons on his side.
They seem to know about the Dragon horn in the show thread, has it ever been mentioned in the show?
Nope. But cnuts who have read the books spoil things.
Not even a whisper. There were posts yesterday speculating the Euron's gift could be the Dragon Horn and now Raees has also mentioned it in his post.
BTW where is Ghost? Is he still at the Wall? or did he came to Winterfell with Jon?
That other thread is a clusterfeck. Less discussion about the episodes and more about book-spoilers. Add to it the endless number of spoiler tags used for speculation, its really difficult to make sense of anything being discussed.
What a tv show telling an epic story that spans across 7 seasons has stuff that carries forward from prior seasons.....unpossible
If the dragon horn shows up in the show I would like to see it more as something that drives the dragons away then it giving the Lannisters a dragon just so everyone has a dragon. It evens things up without going the route of cersei or Jamie on a dragon.
Though as we have seen in Brans vision a dragon flying over Kings Landing....but who is in control of it?
Though as we have seen in Brans vision a dragon flying over Kings Landing....but who is in control of it?