It would be pretty cool to see dany, the night king and cersei all have a dragon but it just wouldn't make sense.
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Well with 12 episodes left (now), they had the time to show us a 2 minutes montage of Sam Tarly scouring shit pots, so you have to acknowledge why some are less than happy.
Frankly I'm just disappointed with the dialogue more than anything else. It lacks all the subtleties of the early seasons and sounds awfully anachronistic. Euron's characterisation is a big negative as well. Sure, they don't have the time to flesh out his sinister character like the book but to jump from 'Hey I'm gonna marry Daenerys and get her dragons' to 'feck it, my niece and nephew stole a ship, let's join the one House besieged by enemies everywhere instead' is just mind-bogglingly stupid.
At the time Dany landed the lannisters and euron were just becoming allies.
The Lannister thus had no way of putting a large number of troops at dragon stone . Plus doing so would have weakened them elsewhere.
As Jamie and cersei pointed out they are beset by enemies on all sides.
Part of the reason they let the high sparrow build his army was because they lacked the troops to keep order everywhere.
So your response to my point about his complaint of things carrying over from prior seasons is to bring up things that have nothing to do with it.
Basically everybody hates everything about every episode not sure why you all bother watching.
Sam Tarly at the Citadel is a carry-over from last season.
And let's face it, we watch because the old fat feck isn't getting the book out and we are dying for any morsels about progression of the story. You think we would prefer to watch Ed Sheeran, shit scouring or jibes about top knot?
Why you started watching GoT then? I mean, for the first 5 seasons the books were already published, so why did you bother watching it?
I actually didn't. I watched Season 1 and it brought me to the books (and after reading it that first season still hold up extremely well), then watched 2nd hoping for continuation in that vein but it was a big let down compare to expectations. Skip 3rd, 4th. Catch 5th and 6th because, well, it's been 4 years then since ADwD.
So basically you watch because you have no life and can't focus enough brain power to do something you actually like. Glad I don't have your life.
All the discussion about the dragon horn and then 'book reader' blah blah blah in the other thread, when in the end of the day, it won't ever be mentioned in the show. There is no way that they are gonna throw it right now the dragon horn.
I am fully into camp 'gifts are Sand Snakes'. It is the only thing that makes sense in the universe of the show (next to Tyrion, but that is quite impossible to achieve).
I am fully into camp 'gifts are Sand Snakes'. It is the only thing that makes sense in the universe of the show (next to Tyrion, but that is quite impossible to achieve).
I think there's nothing more no-lifer about making assumptions about people you don't know on the internet. You seem terribly offended for some reasons.
I was in Camp Tyrion when Euron mentioned a gift because Cersei opens her scene with Jaime talking about the brother who killed their first born but Camp Sandy (or Camp Queen of Thorns) makes more sense. Tyrion was already the gift to Dany in an episode titled The Gift, innit? People mentioning Dragonbinder are blatantly taking the piss.
Euron did come across as Jack Sparrow - another interesting character from the books not well translated onto the screen (along with Doran Martell and Stannis Baratheon). You can also be sure that GRRM will not kill the Martell family line like Sand Snakes did in the show. I was massively upset after that episode - first for killing Doran and Areo Hotah; and next for ending the Martell line in one fell swoop. Come to think about it - almost entire Tyrell family line except Olenna (of those we know) and Faith Militant army were killed in Big Bang and entire Frey line was killed by Arya, with one stroke each.
Does anyone else think they're making rather overt references to the Wall constantly to foreshadow that it's going to be brought down by the NK? I'm sure 'The Wall' was stated at least 5 or 6 times this episode. I mean, even last season ended with Jon telling Edd not to 'knock it down whilst I'm gone' which was all but a lacking a cheeky into the camera.
into the camera.Jeez man, I agreed that my post was harsh. I even said the episode was decent. But that's what it was. It was decent. Arya killed Walder Frey and his sons in the last episode, Bran was almost near the wall and Danearys was on the ships sailing to Dragonstone. Revan argued that it was plot progression, but I said it's a stretch to call it plot progression.
It was a bit dull, to be honest.
correct me if I'm wrong but the last season closed with Varys meeting up with House Tyrell and Martell to form and alliance. Meanwhile Dany is crossing the narrow sea headed for Dragonstone...
pretty impressive he made it onto the ship with Dany
overall a good catch up episode - thought we might have seen something regarding House Martell/Tyrell - mobilising troops or planning something
pretty impressive he made it onto the ship with Dany
overall a good catch up episode - thought we might have seen something regarding House Martell/Tyrell - mobilising troops or planning something
The first episode of each season tends to be.
It was fine, I wasn't expecting there to be much meat in this episode.
Just reintroducing everyone and reminding everyone what they're up to.
Eastwatch by the Sea and the Wall coming down got a few references,
so the general arc of this season looks fairly obvious.
From a cinematic PoV the Dragonstone scene was meh as well, they could have spent the time doing something else, cut to a scene a Dany looking at the island/castle last minute and said the 'shall we begin' line with dragons hovering over her head (cue dramatic music). There are so many small things they could do to make it a more concise, fast paced and interesting viewing experience. It's like they heard the complaints about time jumps and Varys teleporting last season and decided to give a finger to the audience in that regard. I will however credit Clarke for a good acting job on the scene, showing the longing and emotions facing her birthplace/birthright.
My 5 word review of episode one...
"Not enough tits and fanny!"
"Not enough tits and fanny!"
Does anyone else think they're making rather overt references to the Wall constantly to foreshadow that it's going to be brought down by the NK? I'm sure 'The Wall' was stated at least 5 or 6 times this episode. I mean, even last season ended with Jon telling Edd not to 'knock it down whilst I'm gone' which was all but a lacking a cheeky
Pretty much since we first heard of the White Walkers we all have known that somehow there would at least be an attempt by them to get beyond the wall.
Varys goes to Meeren after securing the alliance with Tyrells and the Sand Snakes and is on the ship with Tyrion and Dany while they are crossing Sea. Its shown in the last scene of Season 6
ah I see
I don't get book readers hatred of the show. For me they are very different yet both the same in the fact. Brilliant until near the end of a Storm of Swords... than pure lost filler drivel afterwards. The show botchd some serious stuff (Stannis says hi) but likewise it does some stuff better than the books (lets not forget in the books Tyrion goes into battle in the riverlands and fights really well).
Thought on the new episode is Euron is definately going to bring Cersei the head of an enemy as a prize. I would say a couple of Sand Snakes or maybe Olenna. I'd love for it to be Olenna and Qyburn to get the truth out of her about Tyrion, Sansa and Joffrey.
Thought on the new episode is Euron is definately going to bring Cersei the head of an enemy as a prize. I would say a couple of Sand Snakes or maybe Olenna. I'd love for it to be Olenna and Qyburn to get the truth out of her about Tyrion, Sansa and Joffrey.
Its all about getting rid of excess actors, its one of the reasons a massive book with so many characters has to change for the show.
They don't want to be paying actors who have no use to the end game now. I believe they only added Dorne and the SS as Oberyn went down so well on tv. They needed rid of all those actors and in the minds of D&D it saved them paying actors for little reason. Imho I'd have killed off Ellaria and the Teenage Mutant Ninja Sandsnakes and let Doran have their part in the current season, small and all as I hope it is.
In a couple of episodes they got lots of actors and characters off the books so they don't have to explain what happened them. Though the whole Dorne situation is again terrible in that I can't believe a nation just allowing a bunch of bastards who murdered the royal family to just take over and than create the spice girls with Olenna and Danny even if they are Targ loyalists and hate Lannisters.
So presumably you aren't ok with Northern lords proclaiming a bastard and Sworn brother of the Night's Watch King in the North either? Because Rob's will isn't in the show.
Thought it was a bit dull. And I agree with the people who feel that the missing books as a foundation are responsible for a drop in quality when it comes to conversations/interactive scenes in general.
General question: I don't follow all those GoT theories on reddit etc.: Is it speculated or pretty much accepted that Bran crossing the wall (which has now happened) is the main reason why the white walkers will be able to bring it down? I mean he touched the night king and they could enter that cave, why doesn't he consider that him crossing the wall again will mean they'll be able to cross it as well?
General question: I don't follow all those GoT theories on reddit etc.: Is it speculated or pretty much accepted that Bran crossing the wall (which has now happened) is the main reason why the white walkers will be able to bring it down? I mean he touched the night king and they could enter that cave, why doesn't he consider that him crossing the wall again will mean they'll be able to cross it as well?
It is a pretty good theory to be fair. The Others couldn't enter Bloodraven's cave until the NightKing touched Bran, and considering that most likely the same magic spells are in the wall, then Bran passing the wall will make the wall fall.
Bran is stupid though, that's why he didn't consider it.
Absolutely. This series used to have great conversations which actually progressed the plot and characters. This is all just gone and replaced with insufferable bullshit.
He really doesn't. If I am not mistaken he gets knocked down from his horse and misses the entire battle.
Yup, he fought passably in the Battle of Blackwater but was a mess in the Riverland.
Don't get this either..
GRRM did admit he struggled with solving the Meeren plotline so criticism in that regard is fair. However, from a world building and character development perspective, AFFC and ADwD are the best in the series. Jon's and Dany's made a nice parallel on youngster trying to rule while Jaime's and Tyrion's chapters provided rare insights into how their character change after the personal losses.
Everyone I know has said 4 and 5 are crap before I took up the books but I ended up enjoying A Feast for Crows
. Dance can screw itself though! Only good thing it did was lead me to read about Jon Connington, Golden Company, Blackfyre Rebellion, etc. Oh of course also several theories about Aegon and Mummer's Dragon.For all the hate that Ed Sheeran's getting, apparently the song is about Tyrion and Shae in the books and Tyrion sings it ruefully after finding Shae betraying him. I have no memory of it
I haven't read Dance in 4 years so could be misremembering stuff but what was the point of Quentyn's chapters. We are told in Feast that he is on his way to Meeren to convince Dany to marry him. Just have him reach there. I don't see the necessity of him having those 4-5 chapters if the end result is that he is getting roasted
Yeah, Quentyn had by far the most pointless act in the books. No idea what GRRM was thinking there and why did he spent all those pages on him.
Quentyn's arc is meant to be read concurrently with Arianne. It's to provide background into Dorne's politics, as boring as that may be to some readers.
Also. he was the one who set loose the dragons, thus begin the Battle of Fire. It probably could've been fulfilled by another character, but I guess GRRM still has plans for them, and his death will complicate Dany's relationship with Dorne as well. especially when fAegon is there.
Also. he was the one who set loose the dragons, thus begin the Battle of Fire. It probably could've been fulfilled by another character, but I guess GRRM still has plans for them, and his death will complicate Dany's relationship with Dorne as well. especially when fAegon is there.
I understand criticisms like Mereen plot or timeline issue between the 4th and 5th books, but it's a bit rich to say that 4th and 5th books are filth. Especially when they stretch their argument not to point out seemingly genuine issues.
Everyone I know has said 4 and 5 are crap before I took up the books but I ended up enjoying A Feast for Crows
For all the hate that Ed Sheeran's getting, apparently the song is about Tyrion and Shae in the books and Tyrion sings it ruefully after finding Shae betraying him. I have no memory of it
I have no problems casting a famous singer. Just that it stands out like a sore thumb as a casting gimmick.
I think Quentyn's arc is not pointless, especially when you consider Arianne Martell going to Aegon and the general rage after Oberyn Martell's death in Dorne.
Edit : Infinite got there before me.
I'm hoping Night King does have a dragon of his own. That would be so cool. It's not impossible I'd say but would mean bringing an element that is only introduced in supplemental reading material and not even in the 5 books. Like Bloodraven
yeah, some of the criticisms from the reader base is just nonsensical, especially like with Tyrion's arc. He killed his father, he realised he drove away his love, he was betrayed by another love, he's in exile, dispossessed of his inheritance. It's a miracle if a man can be chirpy after all that. The whole journey and ordeal at the hands of the slavers were meant to give him a purpose again.
It's my theory but a lot of people starting reading the books after the show and they were expecting instant gratification chapter after chapter. Every fecking book in the history of books always uses chapters, dialogues to build arc, character and a climax, filler lines after a major event etc.