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I don't even understand the Wildfire complaints, it's not as if they never saw the Blackwater bay battle.
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I don't even understand the Wildfire complaints, it's not as if they never saw the Blackwater bay battle.
He's probably forgotten it to be fair.
I bet he doesn't know why Hodor says Hodor
That's the best episode of the entire 6 seasons imo. I feel drained
Olenna rinsing the Sand Snakes made me laugh, as did Walder Frey on about his sons "plucking their cnut hairs".
Olenna rinsing the Sand Snakes made me laugh, as did Walder Frey on about his sons "plucking their cnut hairs".
Wow, just wow. I think that this just edges The Rains of Castamere as my favorite episode in the entire show. Absolutely magnificent from the beginning to the end.
- The mad queen burning them all. Tommen dying. Cersei becoming queen.
- Arya killing Walter Frey. Eastern egg for the book readers with the pie.
- R + L = J confirmation. 'Promise me'!
- The king on the north. Some peace between Sansa and Jon Stark (soon to be changed to Jon Targ).
- Tyrion becoming hand of the queen.
- Daenerys finally sailing for Westeros.
- Grand Master Pycelle getting massacred from the little birds.
- ISIS getting annihilated.
- Varys proving that he's better than Littlefinger in everything, including teletransporting.
The only thing that could have made the episode even better was if the wall had been fallen. But I guess that the first half of the next season would be Danny consolidating her power in Kingslanding, while Jon gets the Riverlands and obviously confirms the alliance with the Vale. Then when it looks that Danny and Jon are going to fight each other, The Others will attack and Jon will unite his forces with Danny.
- The mad queen burning them all. Tommen dying. Cersei becoming queen.
- Arya killing Walter Frey. Eastern egg for the book readers with the pie.
- R + L = J confirmation. 'Promise me'!
- The king on the north. Some peace between Sansa and Jon Stark (soon to be changed to Jon Targ).
- Tyrion becoming hand of the queen.
- Daenerys finally sailing for Westeros.
- Grand Master Pycelle getting massacred from the little birds.
- ISIS getting annihilated.
- Varys proving that he's better than Littlefinger in everything, including teletransporting.
The only thing that could have made the episode even better was if the wall had been fallen. But I guess that the first half of the next season would be Danny consolidating her power in Kingslanding, while Jon gets the Riverlands and obviously confirms the alliance with the Vale. Then when it looks that Danny and Jon are going to fight each other, The Others will attack and Jon will unite his forces with Danny.
I wish Lady Mormont was my little sister.
Knew Wyman Manderley was cast and they wanted his character to give big speech but the pies and his speech are so far apart lol. Arya doing the pies is still satisfactory I suppose. 8 big characters died within first half an hour - Kevan, Lancel, Pycelle, Margaery, Mace, Loras, High Sparrow and Tommen. So that's House Martell and House Tyrell almost wiped out (no mention of Tyrell heirs while Lady Olenna is the only one left).
I paused the video for a couple of minutes when Sam went inside the library. So many books
Bronn's "Not blonde enough?" to Jaime is my favorite dialogue of the episode. Dunno if it's the recency bias but this is probably my favorite episode of the entire series. There were episodes which were epic in visuals (Hardhome, Battle of Bastards, Blackwater Bay) and some were brilliant because some epic characters left us (Red Wedding, Hodor, Tywin) and some because of the dialogues (pick any episode with Arya and Tywin at Harrenhal) but this episode had amazing visuals (Sept of Baelor exploding under Wildfire, Dany's ships and dragons), some great dialogues (Bronn-Jaime as above, Queen of Thorns on Sandsnakes) and brilliant storytelling.
Great way to leave the viewers craving for more over next 10 months.
PS
Someone mentioned that Lord Percy was cast as Lord Glover after 8th episode and I couldn't notice that. I watched Blackadder Goes Forth this weekend (again) but still didn't see resemblance between Lord Glover and Captain Darling
Knew Wyman Manderley was cast and they wanted his character to give big speech but the pies and his speech are so far apart lol. Arya doing the pies is still satisfactory I suppose. 8 big characters died within first half an hour - Kevan, Lancel, Pycelle, Margaery, Mace, Loras, High Sparrow and Tommen. So that's House Martell and House Tyrell almost wiped out (no mention of Tyrell heirs while Lady Olenna is the only one left).
I paused the video for a couple of minutes when Sam went inside the library. So many books
Bronn's "Not blonde enough?" to Jaime is my favorite dialogue of the episode. Dunno if it's the recency bias but this is probably my favorite episode of the entire series. There were episodes which were epic in visuals (Hardhome, Battle of Bastards, Blackwater Bay) and some were brilliant because some epic characters left us (Red Wedding, Hodor, Tywin) and some because of the dialogues (pick any episode with Arya and Tywin at Harrenhal) but this episode had amazing visuals (Sept of Baelor exploding under Wildfire, Dany's ships and dragons), some great dialogues (Bronn-Jaime as above, Queen of Thorns on Sandsnakes) and brilliant storytelling.
Great way to leave the viewers craving for more over next 10 months.
PS
Someone mentioned that Lord Percy was cast as Lord Glover after 8th episode and I couldn't notice that. I watched Blackadder Goes Forth this weekend (again) but still didn't see resemblance between Lord Glover and Captain Darling
It was awful. But it had a lot of fan service which is why you may think it was the best ever.That's the best episode of the entire 6 seasons imo. I feel drained
Olenna rinsing the Sand Snakes made me laugh, as did Walder Frey on about his sons "plucking their cnut hairs".
A few points:
. Why is female empowerment considered being a raging psychopath in this show?
. So Sam has literally run off with his dad's valyrian steel sword and nobody even bothers to do anything? Nobody at the citedal notice it? His dad not send men after him? Nobody try to rob him for it?
. Cersei on the throne? Really? No commoner will object to that after she just blew up Baelors Sept?
. Dany or Sansa? Dany has foreshadowing but Sansa has red hair and also a faux relationship with him anyway.
. Oberyns paramore sure has a lot of political power. And here I thought she was just another pair of tits for fanservice.
. There is no game Tyrion, everybody is dead.
It's not, though. I don't think anyone is supposed to see Cersei's actions as that of an empowered female...it's those of a complete and utter psychopath who's sealed her own fate by declaring war on anyone who isn't her own family.
Even in Dorne, Olenna showed her own sense of disgust at Ellaria and the Sand Snakes murdering their own family. Olenna shitting all over them also showed us we're not supposed to see them as likable.
Cersei's on the throne because she's the only person in Westeros with some sort of armed force...and the Mountain, too. The dark lighting of the scene and general somber mood made it look like people were pissed and scared, and don't know what to make of the whole thing. Cersei will blame it on Tyrion. Or the Tyrells, somehow.
Great episode that, as good a season finale as GoT has had. Clearly though there is very little left connecting the show to the books other than the most basic framework. I really don't except The Winds of Winter to play out anything like this.
Maybe its irrelevant, but very early in the show I guess Season 1, when a WW walks into Castle black ans tries to kill Mormont, jon saves him by throwing a lantern at the WW. IIRM, he doesnt seem immune to the fire.
Poor amol
You sound like you'd be great craic at parties.
In all seriousness, I think the female characters are just characters and nothing more. They don't symbolise anything bar their past and their current ambitions in the story.
I think the rest is just nitpicking.
"Why are we all drinking beer out of pink cups? A clear sign of female empowerment. And why's Steve come with his dad's crate of beer? Has absolutely nobody noticed it? And there is no party - everyone is wasted."
Cersei Lannister has the right to throne after Tommen. Qyburn and Cersei with the gold cloaks in their pockets could very possibly make up a tale that doesn't show them as guilty. I mean, it's a city in which Ned STark was beheaded for treason and Tyrion Lannister was hated for being a monster. Dorne takes a much different turn in the books, but she's Oberyn's paramour and Sand snakes do have considerable power in Dorne. Dorne recognizes the rights of the paramour, as the laws of bastards don't apply in Dorne on all cases. Many princes and kings have paramours and bastards born to paramours have their original title. I don't know if the other points warrant any replies to be fair.
Wasn't a big fan of the episode myself but certainly that list can't be (a major part of) your reason not to like it?
It was a very good episode.
Definitely some iffy logic, such as Jon being made king in the North over Sansa without him being legitimised (as in the reintroduction of Robb's will), but this last season they have shown that they don't want to be bogged down with feudal lines of succession so I guess we have to take it as it is..
Shame that they stripped great book characters of their moments that make thematic and narrative sense and gave them to more prevalent characters..
Like Wyman Manderly having Frey Pies be given to Arya and a bastardised (literally) 'The North Remembers' speech given to Lyanna Mormont
Frey Pies is a well constructed and emotionally satisfying pay off for the bull that Wyman had to swallow to get his son back 'Robb turned into a wolf and attacked us' etc and has been given context with the excellent 'Rat Cook' story, for Arya to do it out of the blue is just a bit jarring
Definitely some iffy logic, such as Jon being made king in the North over Sansa without him being legitimised (as in the reintroduction of Robb's will), but this last season they have shown that they don't want to be bogged down with feudal lines of succession so I guess we have to take it as it is..
Shame that they stripped great book characters of their moments that make thematic and narrative sense and gave them to more prevalent characters..
Like Wyman Manderly having Frey Pies be given to Arya and a bastardised (literally) 'The North Remembers' speech given to Lyanna Mormont
Frey Pies is a well constructed and emotionally satisfying pay off for the bull that Wyman had to swallow to get his son back 'Robb turned into a wolf and attacked us' etc and has been given context with the excellent 'Rat Cook' story, for Arya to do it out of the blue is just a bit jarring
The music was amazing. Especially in the KL scenes at the beginning. I knew what was going to happen but still felt the suspense.
They're just taking the piss with the teleportation stuff now though. I honestly laughed when I saw Varys on the ship.
They're just taking the piss with the teleportation stuff now though. I honestly laughed when I saw Varys on the ship.
Cersei has zero right to the throne. She just took it. The Lannisters are not the royal family and have no claim to the throne. But no one’s left to tell her she can’t, so she did. As for the terrorist attack - the impression I got is that while she never openly admitted to doing it, everyone knew she did but was also scared shitless enough to just go with it and not challenge her.
I've had to explain R+L=J to quite a few people since the finale, now. Seems they didn't figure it out at all. I wonder if that's the average show watcher who doesn't either read the books or look up theories online? I definitely don't think they gave enough time to explaining Rhaegar previously. Most had probably forgotten.
What an episode, though, sheer brilliance.
What an episode, though, sheer brilliance.
For what is worth, I think that if you go down in Baratheon's line of succession, Cersei was the next in line with pretty much every Baratheon dead. There was some marriage some time ago, which would put the Lannisters close to Baratheons.
A bit similar to how Robert got the throne cause he was part Targaryan.
Obviously, in both cases that was just a justification. They got the throne cause they won it (difference circumstances).
Danaerys literally does something psychotic and is lauded as a hero for it every single time.
Burns men alive. Doth raki worship her.
Burns a guy alive for no reason. Gets a marriage out of it.
Burns a ship full of people. Ends a war and gets a huge as feck army out of it.
Same with Arya. Do they think her killing Waldershare freyou with a creepy grin on her face is supposed to be heroic?
Sansa with her creepy grin as Ramsay is eaten alive.
What's with all of the female characters grinning as they performed disgusting deeds?
I didn't say they symbolised anything. I said whenever the show tries to make them players in the game rather then pawns, they do so by turning them into murdering psychopaths. Those smirks that they all have are so fecking creepy. They then get rewarded for the madness.
It's supposed to be nitpicking. I'm not too invested in the show to worry about serious flaws in it any more. I just enjoy it and laughing at the small flaws that mare no sense.
The throne would be invaded by a foreign land if it was in a state where Cersei was queen. Oh, look, Daenery's is here.
Dorne would not recognise a paramour as their ruler. One of the major houses would come in and take over. A paramour is basically a low born mistress and has no claim to anything just like a Bastards. Sure they are treated nicely but they won't be allowed to kill the beloved ruler and then just take over with no problems.
Brienne and Margaery are different though. It's not gender-related if you ask me, it's just that some characters, male or female, indeed seem to come into their own by doing psycho stuff (Tyrion killing his father for example). There aren't more psycho females than there are psycho males in this show. There's definitely a lot of psychos, though.
Margaery has been killed and Brienne was the same when she grinned at sodomizing a man with her sword.
It's not the same though. Psycho'so like joffrey and Ramsay are reviled for their deeds. Sansa, Arya, Dany and Cersei are cheered. Also, Tyrion showed visible upset at doing what he did and was clearly emotionallying driven. There is a certain heartlessness to the way the women smile as they murder and maim 100's of people.
Fair enough, i can definitely see where you're coming from.
Anyone here who can shed light on the theory that Tyrion is a Targ?
The other two dragons need two more riders and I assume one will be Jon. See no other reason as to so much importance being placed on his parentage.
The other two dragons need two more riders and I assume one will be Jon. See no other reason as to so much importance being placed on his parentage.
Mad King had an affair with Tyrion's mum when they were young. Tywin also said to him that 'I cannot prove that you are mine' and 'you are no son of mine'.
However, it is a quite weak theory. Around as weak as him being Daenerys' son.
According to theories about half the asoiaf population are secret targs.. I really hope it's only Jon because it's something that shouldn't be overused.
Tyrion as a secret targ ending up as a dragonrider - can't think of something that sounds more like fanfic.
Tyrion as a secret targ ending up as a dragonrider - can't think of something that sounds more like fanfic.
Other possible contributing factor to the theory being that all three had a mother who died from childbirth.
I don't think the other two dragons need riders. The last two episodes proved that, as well. In any case, Jon riding one of Daenerys' dragons makes absolutely no sense to me.
I'm almost certain one of the dragons will get stolen.
It's why there are 3 dragons in the first place. Wouldn't really make much sense from a writing pov if she keeps them on her team all the time.
It's why there are 3 dragons in the first place. Wouldn't really make much sense from a writing pov if she keeps them on her team all the time.
Alright chaps, i've spoken to two people now who have confirmed that you book readers are pretty much at the same point as we are in terms of speculation. So I think i'll transition to this thread.
Alright chaps, i've spoken to two people now who have confirmed that you book readers are pretty much at the same point as we are in terms of speculation. So I think i'll transition to this thread.
They didn't tell you about the bit where Bran gets bionic legs and kicks Drogon to death?
Again, the books have a different arc in Dorne with Arianne Martell, but bastards born to paramours in Dorne are treated differently than rest of the seven kingdoms. Sand snakes are still Oberyn Martell's daughters and considering the options of the other Martells in the show, it's not a bad stretch.
I have no idea about your other rants.
you've made a huge mistake.Alright chaps, i've spoken to two people now who have confirmed that you book readers are pretty much at the same point as we are in terms of speculation. So I think i'll transition to this thread.
So whats your thoughts on my "Benjen is actually Evil" theory?
Also can someone explain the whole Magical Barrier part? As we've been having a debate about whether Bran is a Key or he's got nothing to do with the Barrier and the Mark was simply to do with the original 3 eyed raven.
Also can someone explain the whole Magical Barrier part? As we've been having a debate about whether Bran is a Key or he's got nothing to do with the Barrier and the Mark was simply to do with the original 3 eyed raven.
Alright chaps, i've spoken to two people now who have confirmed that you book readers are pretty much at the same point as we are in terms of speculation. So I think i'll transition to this thread.
RedSky, I like you but you are one of the worst moaners about spoilers. In this thread, we've discussed theories that are yet to happen freely. You may still want to skip this thread.
it's fecking terrible just like your face.
or in your case, posted actual spoilers when everybody told you not to.