Books A Song of Ice and Fire (Books) | TV show? What TV show?

MichaelKorleone said:
What happened to all the rumours about casting Wyman Manderley in the tv show? He's definitely not gonna show up now right? Such a shame as I was looking forward to his speech. "The North remembers" and Wyman - they cut both :-(
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He still has this last episode to do the speech, I think it might happen
 
There is no GNC in the show guys, live with it. If it was, it would have happened last episode. What will the North remember now? That they sided with Boltons against Starks?

It sucks a bit, cause it was awesome and complex, but the show has completely simplified the politics, and it was more easier to just teleport LF and knights of Vale.

In addition, casting new authors cost money, and paying the actor who plays LF cost money too. So you have to give some scenes to him, and without this, there was nothing he could have done in the show.

I am pretty sure that this is a show's only event. It is hard to see Stannis losing like that and it is impossible to see Vale helping Jon against Boltons. Maybe they will help him against Freys though.
 
Drainy said:
So how did the knights of the vale travel from the eyrie to winterfell without anyone informing the Boltons?

Did the Freys let this host cross to the north without letting anyone know? I seem to remember there being an issue of traveling north without holding that crossing.

Did the rest of the houses quietly resist the Boltons?

Guess littlefinger has expanded his teleporter
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Weren't most of their army out at Riverrun anyway?
 
Drainy said:
Did the Freys let this host cross to the north without letting anyone know? I seem to remember there being an issue of traveling north without holding that crossing.
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Google a map of Westeros and you see that the Twins (the crossing held by the Frey's) is not needed to get from the Vale to the North. It was needed by Robb's army to get south to get at the Lannister Army (and his target of Casterly Rock).
 
JustAFan said:
Google a map of Westeros and you see that the Twins (the crossing held by the Frey's) is not needed to get from the Vale to the North. It was needed by Robb's army to get south to get at the Lannister Army (and his target of Casterly Rock).
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They still have to get through Moat Cailin. Unless the Boltons are supposed to have had it unmanned which is frankly more stupidity.
 
Kristjan said:
They still have to get through Moat Cailin. Unless the Boltons are supposed to have had it unmanned which is frankly more stupidity.
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Moat Cailin had always been managed by House Reed. The area is a swamp and the Reeds have built up the immunity to live there without ending up sick. They are the only ones who can take care of the damn place on a long term basis.

Also The Reeds have been warming the Starks bed for at least two generations (the Brokeback mountain scene between Lord Reed and Lord Stark at the Tower of joy and Meera warming Bran at the tree house)
 
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Moat Cailin can't fail without a single raven sent back to Winterfell.

It's Dumb and Dumber simplifying everything for the TV folks. In conventional warfare, there's not a chance in hell Ramsay and his army didn't notice the Vale forces coming from miles off. That many horses shook the earth.
 
InfiniteBoredom said:
Moat Cailin can't fail without a single raven sent back to Winterfell.

It's Dumb and Dumber simplifying everything for the TV folks. In conventional warfare, there's not a chance in hell Ramsay and his army didn't notice the Vale forces coming from miles off. That many horses shook the earth.
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It didn't fell, the door just opened and the army of the Vale simply passed. Moat Cailin is lead by the Reeds ie the Starks best mates. Its a fortress built in the middle of swamps and marches. Diseases are one the major reasons why people die while sieging the place and the Crannogmen are the only once who have built the necessary immunity to stay there on long term.

The Riverlands are currently a mess and the distance between the Vale and the North is actually very small. Most of the Riverlands Lords hate the Freys and love Sweet Robin whose half Tully
 
Theon getting from Winterfell to the Iron Islands to fecking Mereen in half a season is much more unbelievable than the Vale army's stealth. They were in Volantis two episodes ago, for feck's sake, the trip from there to Mereen alone should be taking weeks, even if we ignore how difficult it is to get into Slaver's Bay without casualties.
 

Think this is great, the actually got load of horses to just charge at Kit Harington
 
Where the feck was Ghost in all of this? Actually glad they didn't show him, probably would have killed the direwolf off but disappointing lack of TV time.
 
Scarecrow said:
Theon getting from Winterfell to the Iron Islands to fecking Mereen in half a season is much more unbelievable than the Vale army's stealth. They were in Volantis two episodes ago, for feck's sake, the trip from there to Mereen alone should be taking weeks, even if we ignore how difficult it is to get into Slaver's Bay without casualties.
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Would people have preferred a few episodes of Theon and Yara sitting around on a ship?

This show isn't supposed to convey portrayal of time spent travelling in a medieval setting with pinpoint accurcy. Shit needs to happen other than horse-riding and boat trips.
 
devilish said:
It didn't fell, the door just opened and the army of the Vale simply passed. Moat Cailin is lead by the Reeds ie the Starks best mates. Its a fortress built in the middle of swamps and marches. Diseases are one the major reasons why people die while sieging the place and the Crannogmen are the only once who have built the necessary immunity to stay there on long term.

The Riverlands are currently a mess and the distance between the Vale and the North is actually very small. Most of the Riverlands Lords hate the Freys and love Sweet Robin whose half Tully
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So when did the Reeds take Moat Cailin back? Because I'm pretty sure I remember it was sacked by the Iron Isles and later the Boltons.
 
legolegs said:
So when did the Reeds take Moat Cailin back? Because I'm pretty sure I remember it was sacked by the Iron Isles and later the Boltons.
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It was given back. No one can hold Moat Cailin for long cause they would end up sick. Its like watching Scottish football. You have to be a Scot to appreciate it. The rest would end up with neck pain before long
 
TitusCrumble said:

Think this is great, the actually got load of horses to just charge at Kit Harington
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the fight was hilarious. A direct charge on Jon Snow, bodies appearing out of nowhere stacked at the freefolk's back and a tactic used by Hannibal Barka against the frigging Romans (we're talking of a medieval mindset here)

Same with the Danny fight. The slavers were actually surprised that Danny had dragons after they specified before that the dragons had to be killed. Also what the hell were the sons of the harpy doing outside the city gates?
 
devilish said:
It was given back. No one can hold Moat Cailin for long cause they would end up sick. Its like watching Scottish football. You have to be a Scot to appreciate it. The rest would end up with neck pain before long
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That's my question basically. When was it given back/when were we as audience told about it? I don't remember.
 
devilish said:
the fight was hilarious. A direct charge on Jon Snow, bodies appearing out of nowhere stacked at the freefolk's back and a tactic used by Hannibal Barka against the frigging Romans (we're talking of a medieval mindset here)

Same with the Danny fight. The slavers were actually surprised that Danny had dragons after they specified before that the dragons had to be killed. Also what the hell were the sons of the harpy doing outside the city gates?
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The slavers obviously didn't realise the dragons were free. I'm sure they even mentioned them being below the great pyramid, or whatever it's called.
 
devilish said:
the fight was hilarious. A direct charge on Jon Snow, bodies appearing out of nowhere stacked at the freefolk's back and a tactic used by Hannibal Barka against the frigging Romans (we're talking of a medieval mindset here)

Same with the Danny fight. The slavers were actually surprised that Danny had dragons after they specified before that the dragons had to be killed. Also what the hell were the sons of the harpy doing outside the city gates?
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So? The strategy and tactics of ancient commanders are still often taught at modern military schools, because they are still often quite sound even if the weaponry has changed.
 
Regarding Sansa/Jon Snow/Littlefinger. Perhaps some may look upon it as Sansa being the better leader in that her influence outreaches that of Jon Snow (having greater allies) and she made the decision that won them the war. Had they done it Jons way, they would all be dead.

Not to mention the fact that Sansa advised against fighting so soon. Sound advice really.
 
JustAFan said:
It was supposed to be in an earlier episode but the shows creative team decided everyone on the internet would just whine about the scene being nothing but filler.
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I almost thought this was a thread for discussing, not just praising the show.
 
devilish said:
the fight was hilarious. A direct charge on Jon Snow, bodies appearing out of nowhere stacked at the freefolk's back and a tactic used by Hannibal Barka against the frigging Romans (we're talking of a medieval mindset here)

Same with the Danny fight. The slavers were actually surprised that Danny had dragons after they specified before that the dragons had to be killed. Also what the hell were the sons of the harpy doing outside the city gates?
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Don't know enough about the other stuff but the likes of Hannibal are still taught in military school today.
 
pocco said:
The slavers obviously didn't realise the dragons were free. I'm sure they even mentioned them being below the great pyramid, or whatever it's called.
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So they really believe that Danny wouldn't liberate the dragons when provoked?
 
NM said:
Don't know enough about the other stuff but the likes of Hannibal are still taught in military school today.
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A hoplite based attack was already obsolete by early Republican Roman times (ie during Marius Reform who was Caesar's uncle or something of the sort). Hence why the Romans were able to crush the Greeks again and again, the former insisting to use that obsolete tactic. Actually that sort of phalanx attack (short spears and shields) was obsolete long before as the modern phalanx formation consisted of two handed pikes which allowed the army more reach.

Pike men were still used during the medieval times but as a defensive method to defend musketeers or infantry against a cavalry charge.
 
That long shot would've been much better if I hadn't seen The Revenant. Makes it look average in comparison.
 
devilish said:
A phalanx based attack was already obsolete by early Republican Roman times (ie during Marius Reform who was Caesar's uncle or something of the sort). Hence why the Romans were able to crush the Greeks again and again. Actually that sort of phalanx attack (short spears and shields) were obsolete long before as the modern phalanx formation consisted of two handed pikes which allowed the army more reach.

Pike men were still used during the medieval times but as a defensive method to defend musketeers or infantry against a cavalry charge.
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An encirclement formation is standard military doctrine today. Even with firefights.
 
Can someone quickly fill me in? I heard a lot about the latest episode. I haven't watched the show in a while. I know Joffery died tho.
 
legolegs said:
That's my question basically. When was it given back/when were we as audience told about it? I don't remember.
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I think we'll have to be content with some excuse like Littlefinger told the Boltons at MC that he was on his way to Ramsey's aid. Entirely plausible since not too long ago, he went with a whole host of men to deliver Sansa to be Ramsey's wife. The Reeds never took it back according to the show.

Also, if the battle was delayed any later, Jon and Sansa would have been in a siege which they couldn't have won. They would either have frozen to death or be starve. If anything, Sansa not telling Jon was what won the battle.
 
Kristjan said:
They still have to get through Moat Cailin. Unless the Boltons are supposed to have had it unmanned which is frankly more stupidity.
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I'd assume they went around it...

anyway
Apparently its not been manned for centuries so if they didnt know an army was coming they probably had all their fighting men ready for bastardbowl
http://gameofthrones.wikia.com/wiki/Moat_Cailin
 
NM said:
An encirclement formation is standard military doctrine today. Even with firefights.
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True but not with just one handed spears and shields + in tight formation. By medieval times swords were sharp enough to cut spears with ease. Which would mean that the Bolton army would end up holding their crock in their hand. Also medieval shields would be able to resist the pressure of a spear hit which would make it easy for the defender to cut the spear in half. Not to forget that archers would cut those people into bits.
 
NM said:
An encirclement formation is standard military doctrine today. Even with firefights.
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Yeah, the Stark army had already suffered heavy attrition by that point in the battle, the infantry was not sent in until that point. The infantry caught them by surprise, when their cavalry was gone, they were tired, confused in the heat of battle, any formation and order they did have was long gone, and as soon as the heavy cavalry of the Vale showed up the formation was fecked. It probably would not have been Ramsey's choice of using the infantry like that early in the battle especially on the attack, he waited until he had his enemies right where he want them.
 
SoCross said:
I think we'll have to be content with some excuse like Littlefinger told the Boltons at MC that he was on his way to Ramsey's aid. Entirely plausible since not too long ago, he went with a whole host of men to deliver Sansa to be Ramsey's wife. The Reeds never took it back according to the show.

Also, if the battle was delayed any later, Jon and Sansa would have been in a siege which they couldn't have won. They would either have frozen to death or be starve. If anything, Sansa not telling Jon was what won the battle.
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Not really. Jon Army was made up of North men, Wildlings and knights of the Vale. All are used to the cold. The latter must have had siege equipment too.

I believe that after being used as a pawn to two horrible men + a dwarf, Sansa decided to become heiress of Winterfell and take command over her life.

1 brother died another to go.
 
devilish said:
True but not with just one handed spears and shields + in tight formation. By medieval times swords were sharp enough to cut spears with ease. Which would mean that the Bolton army would end up holding their crock in their hand. Also medieval shields would be able to resist the pressure of a spear hit which would make it easy for the defender to cut the spear in half. Not to forget that archers would cut those people into bits.
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Wildlings are disorganised and lack equipment.

They are the easiest army to beat really. Which is why Jon Snows attacking with them as the bulk of his force was really stupid.
 
Everest Red said:
Can someone quickly fill me in? I heard a lot about the latest episode. I haven't watched the show in a while. I know Joffery died tho.
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Rickon's dead, Ramsey's dead, Roose is dead, Wun Wun is dead, Stannis is dead, the Martell family line is no more, Arya no longer an assassin in training, the Hound is back, the Blackfish is dead, Sansa has Winterfell, Jon Snow is free from the Night's Watch, Shaggydog's dead, Varys is in limbo on his way to KL, Tyrion is Danys Hand of sorts, Dany has her dragons and the whole Dothraki army, Theon and Asha (Yara) have gone and met her, Euron is coming after them plus Dany with his big fat rooster, Hodor's dead, Bran and Benjen are reunited, the White Walkers have amassed an army to attack the wall...err...think that's about it.
 
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