Now THAT would be a great plot twist. Would bloody love it to be honest.
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The Arya storyline would me so much better and believable if Maisie Williams did not look like she's 12 ever since the series began. Bran and Rickon have moved from toddler to tween to teen stages but Arya still looks the same.
Possible twist in Jon Snows heritage. Can't see them allowing odds like that without knowledge of something
They probably have a max bet of something like €20 on those novelty bets. They won't lose much.
I said. Possible. Twist. Upcoming.
It'd be terrible and completely kill the story in the north.
Would be funny though
You mean like Tyrion?
Arya's like 11 at this point in the books, I don't see how it affects her story.
Middling episode.
The Jaime/Riverrun thing plays totally different for his character here than it does in the books. In the books it made sense as a way of creating a gap between Jaime and Cersei but here he seems just as devoted to her as ever. Makes me wonder what the actual pay-off will be, if any.
The Jaime/Riverrun thing plays totally different for his character here than it does in the books. In the books it made sense as a way of creating a gap between Jaime and Cersei but here he seems just as devoted to her as ever. Makes me wonder what the actual pay-off will be, if any.
Regardless of what happens this season has been infinitely better than last seasons and as wank as the Arya storyline has been, at least they're trying to get through it and see it towards some sort of conclusion. Biggest issue with GOT is that as we get further away from the books and the bigger the actors have become, they need to find ways of keeping characters on the screen even when there is no need for them to be on it. The directors should have handled this aspect better.. nothing wrong with skipping characters out for a season and focusing on stories which do need to be told. Then you have this arbitrary deadline of everything needs to finish within a certain timeframe which means rushing stories for the sake of it and the quality of the writing suffers as a result and we are losing scenes which could actually have been quite memorable.
Her entire arc hasn't been meaningless if the aim was to make her an expert assassin and one who we could take seriously.. I mean before this arc, could we really believe that she would be capable of getting through those kills on her list? now she should be smarter and wiser, with some training and experience under her belt. My issue is that this entire arc was boring as feck, prolonged, lacked any internal consistency and for 95% of it she seemed worse than when she had arrived to Braavos. It could have been handled so much better and more near death moments, more realistic fight scenes, less pontificating and just less screen time would have made us appreciate why she had to go through this experience more.
Jaime at riverrun, before I had even watched it I was thinking to myself what a useless storyline.. just couldn't summon up any enthusiasm for it. Having watched it thus far, it has been enjoyable but only because of the individual characters themselves being so watchable, Jaime/Bronn/Blackfish/Briene... all of them are good characters who make anything worth watching but as to the siege itself and the purpose of it, just seemed bit meh. Blackfish dying for no reason, how has this developed Jaime's character? Briene travelled all that way for feck all and the siege itself was an anticlimax. Overall just not a very memorable storyline but I guess they had to keep the characters occupied.
Mereen is a clusterfeck of Dorne proportions at the moment. Seriously no one gives a shit about this story and they have ruined Tyrion as a character. It will be very hard to take him seriously as a character after this season because he has been utilised in such a piss poor manner. He should have been used very sparingly this season or excluded and we could bring him back next year and take him back to Westeros ASAP. It has just been an utter shambles and Danaerys coming back just in time, yay.. wow. Boring.
Other things about the last episode..
'I choose violence'... looked like such a pivotal moment for the season and it was a damp squib, although overall the storyline is quite good if a tad tumescent at times. They're really building up the anger within Cersei and we are feeling the frustration too, so I do like it.
Hound has been awesome since his return.
Why has there been no build up to Bastardbowl
Her entire arc hasn't been meaningless if the aim was to make her an expert assassin and one who we could take seriously.. I mean before this arc, could we really believe that she would be capable of getting through those kills on her list? now she should be smarter and wiser, with some training and experience under her belt. My issue is that this entire arc was boring as feck, prolonged, lacked any internal consistency and for 95% of it she seemed worse than when she had arrived to Braavos. It could have been handled so much better and more near death moments, more realistic fight scenes, less pontificating and just less screen time would have made us appreciate why she had to go through this experience more.
Jaime at riverrun, before I had even watched it I was thinking to myself what a useless storyline.. just couldn't summon up any enthusiasm for it. Having watched it thus far, it has been enjoyable but only because of the individual characters themselves being so watchable, Jaime/Bronn/Blackfish/Briene... all of them are good characters who make anything worth watching but as to the siege itself and the purpose of it, just seemed bit meh. Blackfish dying for no reason, how has this developed Jaime's character? Briene travelled all that way for feck all and the siege itself was an anticlimax. Overall just not a very memorable storyline but I guess they had to keep the characters occupied.
Mereen is a clusterfeck of Dorne proportions at the moment. Seriously no one gives a shit about this story and they have ruined Tyrion as a character. It will be very hard to take him seriously as a character after this season because he has been utilised in such a piss poor manner. He should have been used very sparingly this season or excluded and we could bring him back next year and take him back to Westeros ASAP. It has just been an utter shambles and Danaerys coming back just in time, yay.. wow. Boring.
Other things about the last episode..
'I choose violence'... looked like such a pivotal moment for the season and it was a damp squib, although overall the storyline is quite good if a tad tumescent at times. They're really building up the anger within Cersei and we are feeling the frustration too, so I do like it.
Hound has been awesome since his return.
Why has there been no build up to Bastardbowl
I read a theory that Parabalani may have inspired GRRM's portrayal of Faith Militants -
About Parabalani: https://anabases.revues.org/1061
TL;DR version - Read the final two paras of above link.
About Parabalani: https://anabases.revues.org/1061
TL;DR version - Read the final two paras of above link.
I just caught up with last weeks episode. Dunno why I bothered. Outside of the Hound stuff it was pretty terrible all round. Just awkward nonsense. That joke scene, fecking hell.
Worst. Assassin. Ever.
Worst. Assassin. Ever.
The ever great episode 9 today right?
Just watching the battle was suffocating. It was pretty clearly based on Cannae.
Well that was incredible.
Probably the best ever GoT episode? Just did Mereen and Winterfell with no distractions.
Did anyone else sense some potential lesbian action between Yara and Danni? 
Did anyone else sense some potential lesbian action between Yara and Danni?
Ramsay might not end up being the only one who gets eaten.
Not that I didn't like it but as for big battles I'd certainly rate Blackwater and Hardhome higher.
Blackwater maybe but this was head and shoulders above hardhome
Only talking about the Hardhome part of the episode to be fair so it was probably wrong as full episodes go but I liked that a lot and well.. more than the battle today.
As for Blackwater there's in no way a maybe for me.
As for Blackwater there's in no way a maybe for me.
Hardhome will be very difficult to beat because of the wights and zombies involved, but this runs it close. I'll have to watch Blackwater again, because I think the Bastardbowl trumps Blackwater.
Not sure about that, but this clearly runs Hardhome very close or just beats it.
It's Hardhome > Bastardbowl > Blackwater for me.
I expected Ramsay to aim for Jon while he was trying to rescue Rickon. Why would you run straight anyways? Also expected Ramsay to have a last trick up his sleeve with a dagger or something like that while Jon was beating him, fortunately wasn't the case. Fitting end for a great character imo.
It'll be intriguing to see what happens with Jon now. Also, making a pact with Littlefinger will cost you in the end, but it was the right thing to do in hindsight.
I expected Ramsay to aim for Jon while he was trying to rescue Rickon. Why would you run straight anyways?
Also expected Ramsay to have a last trick up his sleeve with a dagger or something like that while Jon was beating him, fortunately wasn't the case. Fitting end for a great character imo. It'll be intriguing to see what happens with Jon now. Also, making a pact with Littlefinger will cost you in the end, but it was the right thing to do in hindsight.
Show Sansa is such an arsehole.
Maybe it might have been an idea to bring up that she had an alliance with the Vale and more men were coming before so many thousands were slaughtered??
Also, killing Ramsay in such a brutal way might be satisfying but it's not exactly the honourable way to go about business.
Also Show Jon is a moron;
In the books he was a font of knowledge about the north, strategy etc
In the show he doesn't know how many fighting men the houses have, and charges on his own against 10k men abandoning his strategy.
Oh well, at least now I am convinced that Stannis wins the Battle of Ice in the books
Maybe it might have been an idea to bring up that she had an alliance with the Vale and more men were coming before so many thousands were slaughtered??
Also, killing Ramsay in such a brutal way might be satisfying but it's not exactly the honourable way to go about business.
Also Show Jon is a moron;
In the books he was a font of knowledge about the north, strategy etc
In the show he doesn't know how many fighting men the houses have, and charges on his own against 10k men abandoning his strategy.
Oh well, at least now I am convinced that Stannis wins the Battle of Ice in the books
It's good television and there's no point in looking for plot loopholes. But here the plot loopholes I noticed from books.
1) Travel time. This one is fecking killing me. Even teleporters are not this effective. Jaime Lannister has managed to reach Casterly Rock, get an army and come to Riverrun for a siege while Brienne has gone from the Wall/Winterfell to Riverrun. Asha/Yara and Theon have managed to sail from Iron Islands all the way to Mereen via Volantis without sailing through the doom of Valyria. I've bitched about it earlier, so I'd leave it as of now
2) Sansa Stark not disclosing the deal with Eyrie and Littlefinger to Jon Snow when they are desperately trying to get more men. It's understandable that Jon Snow wants to rescue Rickon Stark, but still doesn't make sense that Sansa doesn't say anything to him while he's riding to his certain death. It doesn't make sense for her as that would significantly weaken her position if Jon Snow dies.
3) Northern men dying for Ramsay fecking Bolton. He just fired a thousand arrows into the battlefield not minding the fact that his men would be killed as well. Literally, a few frames later Umber idiot leads his army into the same field running full pelt and asking his men to prove himself for a guy who has just killed the last known true born son of Ned Stark like a dog. No Manderlys declaring for Stark, no north remembers shit.
I think @Drainy is right regarding the battle of ice. In the books, Stannis will win the battle of ice, maybe suffering mortal wounds, but rooting out Ramsay fecking Bolton.
As for the next episode, I think it's all set for Brienne to meet LSH and remind Jaime about his oath. He starts his redemption back by murdering Walder freys, with regards from Jaime Lannisters.
1) Travel time. This one is fecking killing me. Even teleporters are not this effective. Jaime Lannister has managed to reach Casterly Rock, get an army and come to Riverrun for a siege while Brienne has gone from the Wall/Winterfell to Riverrun. Asha/Yara and Theon have managed to sail from Iron Islands all the way to Mereen via Volantis without sailing through the doom of Valyria. I've bitched about it earlier, so I'd leave it as of now
2) Sansa Stark not disclosing the deal with Eyrie and Littlefinger to Jon Snow when they are desperately trying to get more men. It's understandable that Jon Snow wants to rescue Rickon Stark, but still doesn't make sense that Sansa doesn't say anything to him while he's riding to his certain death. It doesn't make sense for her as that would significantly weaken her position if Jon Snow dies.
3) Northern men dying for Ramsay fecking Bolton. He just fired a thousand arrows into the battlefield not minding the fact that his men would be killed as well. Literally, a few frames later Umber idiot leads his army into the same field running full pelt and asking his men to prove himself for a guy who has just killed the last known true born son of Ned Stark like a dog. No Manderlys declaring for Stark, no north remembers shit.
I think @Drainy is right regarding the battle of ice. In the books, Stannis will win the battle of ice, maybe suffering mortal wounds, but rooting out Ramsay fecking Bolton.
As for the next episode, I think it's all set for Brienne to meet LSH and remind Jaime about his oath. He starts his redemption back by murdering Walder freys, with regards from Jaime Lannisters.
Rickon was a goner from the start
That was brutal.
Ramsay is a terrible character. One of the worst in the show.It's Hardhome > Bastardbowl > Blackwater for me.
I expected Ramsay to aim for Jon while he was trying to rescue Rickon. Why would you run straight anyways?
It'll be intriguing to see what happens with Jon now. Also, making a pact with Littlefinger will cost you in the end, but it was the right thing to do in hindsight.
A nice episode, I would say. Shame that there was no Northern Conspiracy here, but likely it was difficult to make it well here, so they went instead with Gandalf saving them. I think that in the books this battle will be quite different, with the Manderlies playing the Gandalf part.
Finally, the caricature is dead. Started as an awesome character, but by now, he might have been the worst character in the show. I was afraid that D&D will continue keeping him, but good to see him getting massacred. And well, he resisted Jon's in the fight for around 5 seconds.
Jon Snow still knows nothing, it seems. As a shit general as Stannis. Did he think that he is Vaelin Al-Sorna to charge in an entire army and to forget any plan? He's also ridiculously overpowered in this show. By now, he surely is the greatest warrior in the planet.
Rickon and Wun-Wun were goner from the very beginning. Rickon because there was no realistic chance of him surviving the battle, while Wun-Wun because the CGI is costly and with dragons playing more part, they had to cut the other CGI (same about the Stark's direwoves getting killed and Ghost being ignored).
Sansa is becoming a psycho. Her smug smile in the end was nice though.
Melisandre will get killed from Davos next episode. Her end is near and full of terrors.
The Meeren stuff was alright, for once. I am predicting that Danny will sail for Westeros next episode, and also the Others will break the wall. They have been ignored the entire season, and it will be a nice shock to end the season with the fall of the ball. Which likely means, RIP Dolorus Ed.
Finally, the caricature is dead. Started as an awesome character, but by now, he might have been the worst character in the show. I was afraid that D&D will continue keeping him, but good to see him getting massacred. And well, he resisted Jon's in the fight for around 5 seconds.
Jon Snow still knows nothing, it seems. As a shit general as Stannis. Did he think that he is Vaelin Al-Sorna to charge in an entire army and to forget any plan? He's also ridiculously overpowered in this show. By now, he surely is the greatest warrior in the planet.
Rickon and Wun-Wun were goner from the very beginning. Rickon because there was no realistic chance of him surviving the battle, while Wun-Wun because the CGI is costly and with dragons playing more part, they had to cut the other CGI (same about the Stark's direwoves getting killed and Ghost being ignored).
Sansa is becoming a psycho. Her smug smile in the end was nice though.
Melisandre will get killed from Davos next episode. Her end is near and full of terrors.
The Meeren stuff was alright, for once. I am predicting that Danny will sail for Westeros next episode, and also the Others will break the wall. They have been ignored the entire season, and it will be a nice shock to end the season with the fall of the ball. Which likely means, RIP Dolorus Ed.
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The Rains of Castemere is still the best episode in the show, and likely the best episode I have ever seen. Even from the battle episodes, I would put Blackwater higher and Hardhome at least as high as this. Blackwater had tension and you couldn't know what was going to happen. This on the other side was quite predictable and I didn't feel any tension on that. The problem with Jon and Danny being bulletproof is that you don't fear that they might lose/die, and so it removes any tension.
Meh. Jon Snow is butchered good and proper by Dumb and Dumber.
Still a great episode just for that opening 10 min. Closest thing thus far we have to the fabled Field of Fire on the Telly.
Still a great episode just for that opening 10 min. Closest thing thus far we have to the fabled Field of Fire on the Telly.
Predictions for the next episode:
1) Jaime wills send his regard to the Freys. No idea how this is going to work, but I think that it is time for him to look more like the book's Jaime.
2) The tower of joy, and confirmation about R+L=J. I'll guess that it will be Ned getting in, seeing a Lyanna covered in blood, talking a bit, and her saying to Ned 'Promise me'. Then the next shot being Ned walking away with Meera's father and a small baby. We won't hear him saying Jon, but it would be obvious.
3) Burn them all, aka the mad queen. RIP Tommen!
4) Danny sailing for Westeros.
5) The Others breaking the Wall.
1) Jaime wills send his regard to the Freys. No idea how this is going to work, but I think that it is time for him to look more like the book's Jaime.
2) The tower of joy, and confirmation about R+L=J. I'll guess that it will be Ned getting in, seeing a Lyanna covered in blood, talking a bit, and her saying to Ned 'Promise me'. Then the next shot being Ned walking away with Meera's father and a small baby. We won't hear him saying Jon, but it would be obvious.
3) Burn them all, aka the mad queen. RIP Tommen!
4) Danny sailing for Westeros.
5) The Others breaking the Wall.
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Tormund is great.
Oh shit. I can see it now. Jon and Sansa are going to shag.
Is Sansa pregnant?
I don't like Starkcest to happen. A bigger fan of Targcest, with the two heroes ending up together. But that would be too Hollywoodian.
I don't like Starkcest to happen. A bigger fan of Targcest, with the two heroes ending up together. But that would be too Hollywoodian.
Maybe. I thought that when Ramsay said he was a part of her.
Jon likes redheads.
Also, Daenery's is too psychotic to be with Jon. He is an enabler and would enable her to burn down anything she doesn't like.
Targs don't mind a good auld 3some.
Daenery's needs to die.
I take it you are not into psychotic hotties
That's face she keeps pulling when trying to be diplomatic is just creepy. What sort of direction was she given for that?
"Okay Emilia, we want you to squint, pout and look smugly superior that you can burn people alive. That's perfect"